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Loch

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So last night I tried my first ever vape. Remember Im doing this for reasons of pain medicine as I suffer from Fibromyalgia. So I was hoping for a sedative effect and a good nights sleep. I knew id get a little intoxicated but thought that would be like drinking a glass of wine.

I used my Extreme Q, first time Id had it out the box. I ground the weed and filled the bowl thingy around a third full. The video I watched said to fill it full so I thought Id go way less than that.

I was honestly expecting nothing much! As said a glass of wine type of effect.

I felt like I was hit by a train! All of a sudden I was melting and the whole world was spinning. My heart rate seemed to have tripled and I was going to have a heart attack. It was like Id took amphetamines and a high dose of LSD! Certainly NOT a sedative affect.

I paced and paced the floor. A tiny part of me knew something was way wrong so in a second a being lucid I managed to phone my ex wife who came over after a 13 hour shift. We don't get on at the best of times and this did little to impress her. I was severely agitated so much so she called my best mate who had also just finished work. This was all around 2300hrs as I wanted to vape a very small bit to go to sleep.

So the two of them calmed me down but I was covered in this slime that was filing up the room. Trying to flick it off my hands and stuff. I honestly thought we were all going to die. I went on like this for around 4 hours.

You know my best mate has a family and my ex wife and boyfriend and such. Im sure they could all be doing without this shit in the middle of there night.

Has I known such a hit was even possible from such a small amount I wouldn't have ever touched it. But had I known such panic and paranoia was possible I wouldn't never have even bought a vape in the first place.

Jeezaz have I got some apologising to do today. To my mate and his family who were disturbed in the middle of the night and me Ex wife who to be fair has bot all to do with me anymore.

Im ex military, seen much active service and seen a lot of bad things. I have never been that scared in my entire life!

Anyone want to buy a band new vaporiser. Used once and never again?
 
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Sorry to hear you feel so poor. Fibromyalgia is defined by over active nerves... i think
That in itself is a wild ride.... Overactive nerves... are not fun!


I don't know what happened to you other than how you felt.
This may or may not be just coincidencial... or not. You need to trust yourself and just try and do your best.


I am thinking about these things....

You may want to look at other medications that you may or may not take... side effects.

You could just be sick. I believe people are viral at times without relly knowing it.
Chicken pox- ebv - herpes... etc People can be viral without outward signs. Or my belief if you are choronical bothered - I think underlaying issue.
Things to think of in a your wellness path.

I don't know what your source of anything might be... kind of like asking are things what they really appear to be? No matter what you buy... groceries to medications....cas etc.

I have read some and many things that can be vaporized ... effect can be dependant on temputure.... amout... etc...


I just hope you feel better today and relax.... Being sick is a journey ... less worries and stress the best.
Inform yourself what ever you choose and do all you can to fuel your body with good tasty nutrition- organic...
and mostly trust yourself...
You do not need to be sorry for being sick and asking for a hand.

IT IS WHAT IT IS. peace
 
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t-dub

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So you tried a new drug alone, without anyone with experience present to guide you? :uhoh:

Lower your dose (a lot) and find an indica dominant strain. Sativas are noted for creative, uplifting energy. Usually people wind up vacuuming the house or something but it sounds like you had way too much. I would also look for strains high in CBD since that down-regulates the THC and is better for pain. Also for pain relief I would look into making edible cannabis oil. It transfers a good load of the high out of your head down into your body. Might be more your speed.

 
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Thanks Just me. Appreciate your kind words.

I try and keep diet organic as much as possible but the prices, especially since I can no longer work.





t-dub. Yes I did a new drug on my own. In hind site it was the wrong thing to do.

But then when the doctor gives me a drug to take, I take them on my own also. From my non smoking experience, I dont see how this is supposed to be different.

Also I am pretty much house bound with Fibromyalgia. Its not like I have a social life, even a slight one. So, out of my very small circle I have to find someone who doesn't think Cannabis is the devils work and others who worry about loosing there jobs and such if I peg out half way through them watching me. None of my friends Vape or smoke. Finding someone isn't as easy as it sounds.

Another thing, finding an exact blend like you mention is never going to happen. I get what I'm given. Im being supplied by a street dealer, not a pick and mix sweet shop. Not meaning to sound rude here, but its not like I have choices.


I took a quarter or a third of that little bowl thing where all the videos on YT say pack the bowl thoroughly. So , I was left to experiment.

There is much information on the internet and I spent a few weeks thoroughly researching even joining up here.
But I could find nothing at all that walks a beginner through the most important questions.

1 - How much to use for my very first hit?
2 - Correct inhaling technique.
3 - Are the effects instant? If not how long should I wait until hitting again?

There is basically a ton of info on how to buy a vaporiser and how to sterilise a vaporiser, what the attachments do, what type of weed you need, all the different types and strains of weed, how to grow your own weed etc etc etc, but nothing on actually how to load the bowl and how to in hail.

I too agree now I must have took waaaaaay too much. But again, I took a third of what most people was saying.

In honesty, I wished Id never have even started with this. I have to see my ex wife later today re custody of my daughter. I feel absolutely terrible. I fell totally and utterly embarrassed and this incident re the embarrassment alone will be with me for the rest of my life.
 
davesmith

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"you took too much man...you took too much."


seriously though, sorry to hear you had a bad experience. Don't worry too much you just got too stoned and had a panic attack. Plenty of us have been there, you've got to laugh! I'd say if you have another crack at it then get a 1:1 ratio of thc:cbd strain (assuming your in a legal place) if not just go much, much easier on it. Some people don't do well with weed as well. This is a forum devoted to weed so people will sing it's praises (me included) but probably 75% of my mates don't touch it.

Are you in the US? In europe we get moroccan hash and a lot of their plants (landraces mainly) are 1:1 ratio and the weed non-smokers seem to find this stuff much more bearable.

Hope it goes well with the ex
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davesmith said:
"you took too much man...you took too much."


seriously though, sorry to hear you had a bad experience. Don't worry too much you just got too stoned and had a panic attack. Plenty of us have been there, you've got to laugh! I'd say if you have another crack at it then get a 1:1 ratio of thc:cbd strain (assuming your in a legal place) if not just go much, much easier on it. Some people don't do well with weed as well. This is a forum devoted to weed so people will sing it's praises (me included) but probably 75% of my mates don't touch it.

Are you in the US? In europe we get moroccan hash and a lot of their plants (landraces mainly) are 1:1 ratio and the weed non-smokers seem to find this stuff much more bearable.

Hope it goes well with the ex
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Loch said:
So last night I tried my first ever vape. Remember Im doing this for reasons of pain medicine as I suffer from Fibromyalgia. So I was hoping for a sedative effect and a good nights sleep. I knew id get a little intoxicated but thought that would be like drinking a glass of wine.

I used my Extreme Q, first time Id had it out the box. I ground the weed and filled the bowl thingy around a third full. The video I watched said to fill it full so I thought Id go way less than that.

I was honestly expecting nothing much! As said a glass of wine type of effect.

I felt like I was hit by a train! All of a sudden I was melting and the whole world was spinning. My heart rate seemed to have tripled and I was going to have a heart attack. It was like Id took amphetamines and a high dose of LSD! Certainly NOT a sedative affect.

I paced and paced the floor. A tiny part of me knew something was way wrong so in a second a being lucid I managed to phone my ex wife who came over after a 13 hour shift. We don't get on at the best of times and this did little to impress her. I was severely agitated so much so she called my best mate who had also just finished work. This was all around 2300hrs as I wanted to vape a very small bit to go to sleep.

So the two of them calmed me down but I was covered in this slime that was filing up the room. Trying to flick it off my hands and stuff. I honestly thought we were all going to die. I went on like this for around 4 hours.

You know my best mate has a family and my ex wife and boyfriend and such. Im sure they could all be doing without this shit in the middle of there night.

Has I known such a hit was even possible from such a small amount I wouldn't have ever touched it. But had I known such panic and paranoia was possible I wouldn't never have even bought a vape in the first place.

Jeezaz have I got some apologising to do today. To my mate and his family who were disturbed in the middle of the night and me Ex wife who to be fair has bot all to do with me anymore.

Im ex military, seen much active service and seen a lot of bad things. I have never been that scared in my entire life!

Anyone want to buy a band new vaporiser. Used once and never again?
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Hey Loch, hope ur feeling better today. Just wanted to mention that the temperature you vape on is also a factor. If you can't get someone to hang around while you vape, maybe combine using a small amount of material with starting on one of the lowest settings, if not the lowest, this will definately decrease the potency. If this has little or no effect then ur material remains relatively unused, this may also give ur tolerance to the material a chance to develop. Hope this helps a bit.
 
rabblerouser

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Agree with people saying you took too much, definitely possible for noobs to get too high.

Some people, especially new smokers (vapers in this case) are way more likely to get anxiety from the cannabis. For me, at least now that i'm older, i only get anxiety if it's a strain that is specifically anxiogenic for me, other stuff is supremely anxiolytic. You may be prone to the anxiety (at least from cannabis) and / or got a strain that induces it in you.

I'd try again with specific pain medication strains and / or possibly anti-anxiety strains.

Also some people just react badly to cannabis. I know someone who gets the spins and pukes off minimal hits. I want him to try just one small hit, but he isn't interested.

Wasn't supposed to be a haze? was it? Those set me off for anxiety pretty regularly.
 
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Loch said:
1 - How much to use for my very first hit?
2 - Correct inhaling technique.
3 - Are the effects instant? If not how long should I wait until hitting again?
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  1. Take 1 small puff.
  2. The idea is to get the vapor deep into your lungs. Hold it for 4-6 seconds and release.
  3. You can feel effects as quickly as 4 seconds but you should wait 10 to 15 minutes to be still and "feel" what is happening to you. Stay hydrated.
 
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if you don't have choices as to what to get then it's just luck of the draw. much harder to try and use it as medicine in that case.

you could get lucky and get great pain medicine, but not everything you get is at all guaranteed to do much for pain. And may in fact be profoundly anxiogenic as one of the worse case possibilities. You may continue to get anxiety if you keep vaping that same kind, i will definitely get reproducible results most of the time with the same strain. Or because you're new to it, it was just too much, and less could be fine.

as a side note, the strains that give me anxiety can be other people's favorites. it can depend on the person.
 
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Take one small puff only and hold it in for just a few seconds. Wait up to 10 minutes to feel an effect. That's all you will probably need and no more. You should feel a mild heady calming effect for maybe a few hours. RELAX ...no harm will come to you. Plan ahead to do something enjoyable and relaxing ...like gardening or taking a leisurely stroll. Don't think about your troubles. Enjoy it.
 
Egzoset

Egzoset

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Salutations Loch,

Loch said:
I used my Extreme Q, first time Id had it out the box.
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Well, any vaporizer that's brand new straight out of the box should undergo a few empty heat cycles and the Arizer is no exception i believe. So i'm hoping you didn't skip this elementary step.

Loch said:
I felt like I was hit by a train! ... Certainly NOT a sedative affect. ... ...had I known such panic and paranoia was possible...
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Under the circumstances i feel compelled to mention this other community to you as they are geared towards "harm reduction" apparently, guessing this is the proper thing to do:

Some people out there are used to this, you may get some of the answers you require or expect, considering it's quite a happy bunch here (except for various ailments of life). In addition there may be issues including those linked to street dealers, e.g. laced stuff, etc., etc... Actually just a few weeks ago there was concern expressed in the local media over some bad shit being found in Montreal while i suppose this can happen anywhere, of course.

And finally i noticed FC has a thread somewhere about CBDs being legal in 50 states, thanks to prohibition the price tags seem artificially inflated (like mafia itself was advertizing that!...), but yet i liked the idea of CBD gum or else.

Good luck with that!...

:peace:
 
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max

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You can definitely overdose on mj and you apparently did just that. It's not dangerous but getting too much all at once can certainly take you into the zone where unpleasant effects dwell.

"In large enough doses, THC can induce auditory and visual hallucinations. Acute effects while under the influence can include both euphoria and anxiety." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_cannabis

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Well, any vaporizer that's brand new straight out of the box should undergo a few empty heat cycles and the Arizer is no exception i believe. So i'm hoping you didn't skip this elementary step.
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Always a good idea but it wouldn't have prevented his unpleasant experience.
 
MinnBobber

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Sorry to hear.
Many people have extremely low tolerance, myself included.
I see videos of folks filling a basket on my particular brand of vaporizer and
doing the whole thing.
For me, 1/10 of the basket gets me high---just barely covering the bottom of the basket.
I woder how they can possibly do a whole basket????
Dial it way back on the dose and take one hit. Wait 15 minutes and see if you need another.
And have someone there, preferably an experienced MJ user--if possible
 
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t-dub said:
So you tried a new drug alone, without anyone with experience present to guide you? :uhoh:

Lower your dose (a lot) and find an indica dominant strain. Sativas are noted for creative, uplifting energy. Usually people wind up vacuuming the house or something but it sounds like you had way too much. I would also look for strains high in CBD since that down-regulates the THC and is better for pain. Also for pain relief I would look into making edible cannabis oil. It transfers a good load of the high out of your head down into your body. Might be more your speed.

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Cannabanoid..............
smh...Cannabidiol?
 
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CG420

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You should know that there is a reason it is called a medicine and that's why you should start on low dosage especially if you're a novice/beginner. Also temperature can really factor in the psychedelic experience you had. If you wanted to sedate yourself, try at a lower temp gradually rising up as you see the greens become light to dark brown. The key is to slow your roll. Eventually you'll pace your tolerance better and finding a limit is a way of exerting responsibility with daily use. Remember how you would get the sweat? Well it only comes if you take a huge hit most times.


TBH I went through that but through smoking through a bong the first time.I had the bodily wave effects and I no longer get that sensation anymore, vision was also loopy and i can feel everything spinning as I stand up on a bed. That day I puked but still went out and ate chili cheese fries. Man I had a bad panic attack though. But with the right people, you'll be fine.
 
CarolKing

CarolKing

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That's sounds like when I over did it with the ABV milkshake. I'll never do that again. :evil:It's not fun to accidentally over do it. Everyone is giving you great advice. I would start with one draw, then wait 15 or 20 min to see if you want to try another draw. The control is up to you.

Cannabis may not be for you? Some Sativas can be too racey. Next time try a Hybrid or an Indica.

I wouldn't even try ingesting if I were you.
 
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CarolKing said:
That's sounds like when I over did it with the ABV milkshake. I'll never do that again. :evil:It's not fun to accidentally over do it. Everyone is giving you great advice. I would start with one draw, then wait 15 or 20 min to see if you want to try another draw. The control is up to you.

Cannabis may not be for you? Some Sativas can be too racey. Next time try a Hybrid or an Indica.
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@CarolKing - always wise!
 
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Loch said:
...But then when the doctor gives me a drug to take, I take them on my own also. From my non smoking experience, I dont see how this is supposed to be different.
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Sorry you went through this. It can be frightening and sometimes life changing. Consider though, when you take a prescribed drug on your own, the doctor has prescribed a dosage.

Loch said:
...Im being supplied by a street dealer, not a pick and mix sweet shop. Not meaning to sound rude here, but its not like I have choices.
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Your frustration is very understandable. You never know what you're getting in this circumstance. This makes using this as a consistent medicine that much more difficult. Hopefully we are on the cusp of all states legalizing.

Loch said:
...There is much information on the internet and I spent a few weeks thoroughly researching even joining up here.
But I could find nothing at all that walks a beginner through the most important questions.

1 - How much to use for my very first hit?
2 - Correct inhaling technique.
3 - Are the effects instant? If not how long should I wait until hitting again?

There is basically a ton of info on how to buy a vaporiser and how to sterilise a vaporiser, what the attachments do, what type of weed you need, all the different types and strains of weed, how to grow your own weed etc etc etc, but nothing on actually how to load the bowl and how to in hail.
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Again, your frustration is understandable and I think you made the right move signing up here, but perhaps going one step further and asking your questions on this forum, before attempting, would have been a better strategy.
As you probably know by now, there are many happy, enthusiastic veterans who enjoy guiding the new and inexperienced vaporist.

Loch said:
In honesty, I wished Id never have even started with this. I have to see my ex wife later today re custody of my daughter. I feel absolutely terrible. I fell totally and utterly embarrassed and this incident re the embarrassment alone will be with me for the rest of my life.
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It's a shame that you're feeling guilty about attempting to relieve your Fibromyalgia. I can understand things may not be smooth with your ex, but this wasn't a matter of you being irresponsible or inappropriately trying to get high. Your friends and ex do not suffer your pain and fatigue, and maybe can't even imagine it, but if they could, perhaps that truth would smooth any negative feelings this event may have generated.
I hope your loved ones feel you should be responsibly examining all options, that don't harm others, to relieve your symptoms.
To that end, you might share a link or two with them:
http://www.health.com/health/condition-article/0,,20345530,00.html

Peace and best of luck.
 
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Don't pack the bowl on the EQ. Pack the dome screen in the whips this way you can use much less.
 
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Adobewan said:
Sorry you went through this. It can be frightening and sometimes life changing. Consider though, when you take a prescribed drug on your own, the doctor has prescribed a dosage.



Your frustration is very understandable. You never know what you're getting in this circumstance. This makes using this as a consistent medicine that much more difficult. Hopefully we are on the cusp of all states legalizing.



Again, your frustration is understandable and I think you made the right move signing up here, but perhaps going one step further and asking your questions on this forum, before attempting, would have been a better strategy.
As you probably know by now, there are many happy, enthusiastic veterans who enjoy guiding the new and inexperienced vaporist.



It's a shame that you're feeling guilty about attempting to relieve your Fibromyalgia. I can understand things may not be smooth with your ex, but this wasn't a matter of you being irresponsible or inappropriately trying to get high. Your friends and ex do not suffer your pain and fatigue, and maybe can't even imagine it, but if they could, perhaps that truth would smooth any negative feelings this event may have generated.
I hope your loved ones feel you should be responsibly examining all options, that don't harm others, to relieve your symptoms.
To that end, you might share a link or two with them:
http://www.health.com/health/condition-article/0,,20345530,00.html

Peace and best of luck.
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This! Man you were trying to relieve awful symptoms and had too high of a dosage from the sound of it. I am sorry to hear that where you live you can't get access to good MMJ too! It really makes it hard to use it medically! Nobody should be judging you for attempting to relieve fibromyalgia though. You have every right to try and treat serious symptoms like that!
 
cityslang

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I've had many a whitey just remember you aren't going to die or come to serious harm. If possible lay down in a quiet semi dark room and relax as much as you can.

This is the bullshit that goes along with illegality. If legal he could get a more suitable strain and proper advice.

If you can get brickweed mexican you may want to consider that it's weaker and some posters on here say it's not as buzzy vaped. Just pick the seeds out.
 
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