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Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud EVO

SD_haze

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My EVO is terribly clogged. Since the nail came out, I've been using that exclusively. There must be some gunk way down in the tube because I can't see the blockage.

I'm trying to find some advice or links to previous posts about cleaning WAY UP in the tube. I'm really at a loss. I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks!


EDIT:
I found this post...
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vapexhale-cloud-evo.11357/page-171#post-595519

And a few people talking about just using iso soaked, 6 inch, Q-tips.
My EVO also got clogged from nail use (mis-use actually...overfilling and spillage).
That tutorial should work, BUT I fixed my clog with only 99% iso. No salt or q-tips and such.

I also used a glass funnel and paper towels instead of balloons~
 
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SD_haze

Well-Known Member
How the fuck can paper towels replace the balloon method? I'm missing something which isn't unusual.

:peace:
Hmm I guess I just surrounded the bottom bamboo opening with a paper towel "clumped-up ring". Poured ISO through the funnel and it hit the clog. After ~15 seconds the ISO dissolved the clog and it just spilled out onto the paper towel.

Only cleaned my bamboo the one time, out of necessity
 

PoopMachine

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Ive used the balloon method a couple of times and found it to be very effective. I never thought about pipe cleaners to finish the job.. guess I need to pick some of those up.
 
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oldiebutgoodie

Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Re cleaning . . . helps to keep in mind that there are "orifices" aka "glass washers" in the bamboo which narrow the opening substantially; between the orifices is the glass chamber where the magic happens. So for example while you can get the cotton end of a q-tip into the bamboo it will be stopped at the orifice, where the diameter is about that of the stick end. There is also a safety consideration, i.e., jamming something into the bamboo that is larger than the orifice could conceivably crack it. The "balloon" or "clumped paper towel" methods work because liquid is filling the chamber, unimpeded by the orifices; the iso melts the build-up which is now liquified and so just pours out.
 

blindowl

goin to some place where I've never been before
Apologies if i repeat info or questions asked earlier, skimmed through the posts but there are too many to read all. Just want to share my experience with the Vapexhale Cloud EVO.

First time firing it up i set it to 12 and got very light vapor. Slowly dialed it up until i found the sweet spot for dark brown to borderline black, coffee looking abv to be around 3-4. At first i had the new heat shield on, i think it somehow occasionally puts off a weird smell which can sometimes effect my hit. So i ended up just taking it off and using the wristbands. The unit gets quite hot after being on about 15-20 minutes, eventually it gets too hot that the wristbands don't help much. Only 2 came with it, I suppose
if I stack up a few more it might work better. I cant find them on the vapexhale website, maybe someone can point me in the direction of where to get some, or a similar product.

The Cloud EVO is my third 'big' vape purchase. First was a log vape, then the sublimator, now the EVO. I'm quite impressed by the heating element on the EVO, the all glass heating path concept seems to work nicely, it gets to temp pretty quick. Prior to purchasing the Cloud EVO, my daily vape was
the log vape which i had to keep on 24/7 for it to maintain temp and be ready to use when needed. The Cloud EVO i can turn off and turn back on when i'm ready to use it. The log and the Cloud EVO produce similar amounts of vapor i've found, and both produce a similar taste. The Cloud EVO has the edge on the log though as I like being able to turn it off and just turn it on when needed. One thing i've found is that you have to be careful when holding the EVO at the bottom with your hand while hitting it. Must be careful not to cover that intake hole or you get instant combustion. Once it combusts it really ruins the taste of everything after that so you have to clean it out. Even ruins the taste of the hydratube which then also needs a cleaning which is not easy with the showercap hydratube. Once I learned that i just leave it on the table now. Can even crank it up to max heat and it wont combust. For friends who are used to smoking they prefer that setting and it doesn't combust and ruin the taste of the hydratube. The EVO will fit nicely into my rotation, for now its the daily driver.

The vapexnail I have not had a lot of success with. In the youtube and ig videos I see them turn it all the way up or to at least the 3 mark when doing concentrates but whenever i turn it up that high i get an extreme burning taste. I thought at first maybe i just needed to do some kind of burnoff on the glass nails as they were new. So i cranked the EVO up to max and left the nail in for about 10-15 mins. I could smell some burning and saw some smoke creep out slowly and eventually stop. Figured that would be ok so i tried again, and same result. So I figured I would do it the stoner way and start it at the 9 o clock range and slowly turn it up from there. Found that the 10-11ish range will give me good clouds without any burning, but leaves a lot of weird residue at the bottom of the nail. I have to then turn it up to max and 'burn it off' after every dab. Makes a burning smell which is very unpleasant. Not sure what I'm missing here, i guess practice and further temp adjusting is needed. The hits I do get at 10-11 range are very nice though. Just the residue and smell from the burnoff after is the prob.

All in all its a nice little machine. Will be a fun weekend playing with it on different glass/percs. I've got the showercap hydratube at the moment, but have found i get much better hits inverting it and using my own cheap china glass. I see the hydraline tube is in stock on the site. Wish i could find that Hydrafoot 2.0, doesnt seem to be available anymore.

Oh well, any advice on settings for the vapexnail or if you can point me to the page where its discussed it would be appreciated. thanks
 
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macbill

Oh No! Mr macbill!!
Staff member
I'll tell you what works for me:

I put the EVO at 11 O'clock or 12.
I put a very small amt in the VXN side-smile:
- slightly preheat VXN (4-5 sec) if product gooey: melt off tool on pre-heated tube.
put in bamboo.
I look down the VXN until I see it start to vaporize: I put the hydratube (or like) on
and commence to inhale, while I shut the EVO off.
After I finish, I withdraw the VXN and swab the oil ring around the inside of the nail.
I put it back in the EVO and turn it on at 3 O'clock to clean the VXN.
 
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Seek

Apprentice Daydreamer
At first i had the new heat shield on, i think it somehow occasionally puts off a weird smell which can sometimes effect my hit. So i ended up just taking it off and using the wristbands. The unit gets quite hot after being on about 15-20 minutes, eventually it gets too hot that the wristbands don't help much. Only 2 came with it, I suppose
if I stack up a few more it might work better. I cant find them on the vapexhale website, maybe someone can point me in the direction of where to get some, or a similar product.
I think that even if the heat shield emited some smell, it's isolated from the airpath.
More wristbands may not help like on the old metal cloud. I have over a dozen of wristbands on the top of my EVO and i think it can gen even hotter beacuse it's can't loose heat as fast. Without so much wristbands, it can't ever get warm below the top, but with them, the middle gets warm slowly and it remains cold only at the very base of the unit. I can't wait for my first vapexhale heat shield.
One thing i've found is that you have to be careful when holding the EVO at the bottom with your hand while hitting it. Must be careful not to cover that intake hole or you get instant combustion.
When I plug the intake on my unit I don't get any combustion. I just can't pull at all until i release it. If you're getting combustion this way, you should check your bamboo for cracks.
The only way I can combust with the EVO is to pull really slowly for a long time on a high-end temperature setting.
 
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Dr. Plutonious

Well-Known Member
So does anyone know if there is any difference between the Swagger Sidecars and the Vapexhale Sidecars (the ones in the new starter kits)? The shape is definitely interesting.
 
Dr. Plutonious,
Yeah good question plutonius. Why the hell can't i buy the one in the pic? Who's the wise guy? VAPEXHALE!!! Where are you???
Also Dr. I believe That piece on the site in the starter kit is a Grav Labs piece
 
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oldiebutgoodie

Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Apologies if i repeat info or questions asked earlier, skimmed through the posts but there are too many to read all. Just want to share my experience with the Vapexhale Cloud EVO.

First time firing it up i set it to 12 and got very light vapor. Slowly dialed it up until i found the sweet spot for dark brown to borderline black, coffee looking abv to be around 3-4. At first i had the new heat shield on, i think it somehow occasionally puts off a weird smell which can sometimes effect my hit. So i ended up just taking it off and using the wristbands. The unit gets quite hot after being on about 15-20 minutes, eventually it gets too hot that the wristbands don't help much. Only 2 came with it, I suppose
if I stack up a few more it might work better. I cant find them on the vapexhale website, maybe someone can point me in the direction of where to get some, or a similar product.

The Cloud EVO is my third 'big' vape purchase. First was a log vape, then the sublimator, now the EVO. I'm quite impressed by the heating element on the EVO, the all glass heating path concept seems to work nicely, it gets to temp pretty quick. Prior to purchasing the Cloud EVO, my daily vape was
the log vape which i had to keep on 24/7 for it to maintain temp and be ready to use when needed. The Cloud EVO i can turn off and turn back on when i'm ready to use it. The log and the Cloud EVO produce similar amounts of vapor i've found, and both produce a similar taste. The Cloud EVO has the edge on the log though as I like being able to turn it off and just turn it on when needed. One thing i've found is that you have to be careful when holding the EVO at the bottom with your hand while hitting it. Must be careful not to cover that intake hole or you get instant combustion. Once it combusts it really ruins the taste of everything after that so you have to clean it out. Even ruins the taste of the hydratube which then also needs a cleaning which is not easy with the showercap hydratube. Once I learned that i just leave it on the table now. Can even crank it up to max heat and it wont combust. For friends who are used to smoking they prefer that setting and it doesn't combust and ruin the taste of the hydratube. The EVO will fit nicely into my rotation, for now its the daily driver.

The vapexnail I have not had a lot of success with. In the youtube and ig videos I see them turn it all the way up or to at least the 3 mark when doing concentrates but whenever i turn it up that high i get an extreme burning taste. I thought at first maybe i just needed to do some kind of burnoff on the glass nails as they were new. So i cranked the EVO up to max and left the nail in for about 10-15 mins. I could smell some burning and saw some smoke creep out slowly and eventually stop. Figured that would be ok so i tried again, and same result. So I figured I would do it the stoner way and start it at the 9 o clock range and slowly turn it up from there. Found that the 10-11ish range will give me good clouds without any burning, but leaves a lot of weird residue at the bottom of the nail. I have to then turn it up to max and 'burn it off' after every dab. Makes a burning smell which is very unpleasant. Not sure what I'm missing here, i guess practice and further temp adjusting is needed. The hits I do get at 10-11 range are very nice though. Just the residue and smell from the burnoff after is the prob.

All in all its a nice little machine. Will be a fun weekend playing with it on different glass/percs. I've got the showercap hydratube at the moment, but have found i get much better hits inverting it and using my own cheap china glass. I see the hydraline tube is in stock on the site. Wish i could find that Hydrafoot 2.0, doesnt seem to be available anymore.

Oh well, any advice on settings for the vapexnail or if you can point me to the page where its discussed it would be appreciated. thanks

Welcome to the FC forum and the EVO thread!

A virtually universal experience for all new owners is a "break-in" period. Not for the machine mind you, but for the user. There are a lot of subtleties with the EVO. It takes some experimenting to find what works best for your unique combination of setup/material/style/preference. Many if not most find themselves changing something in how they've vaped before. The patience getting there really pays off, though.

Re the wristbands, these are intended to tell you where the hot upper section begins. They should be placed at the point of the middle screws or maybe a tad above that. The EVO should be gripped below the wristbands or, if comfortable, your forefinger/thumb on the wristbands. They aren't intended so much to act as a heat shield to enable holding the unit by the top section, but rather as a guide for avoiding that hot area. After using the unit for a while your preferred grip will become second nature. Personally, since I frequently use mine inverted, I like the shield because it provides more flexibility in gripping the unit. All that said, the routine for some users (e.g., lower heat settings) is such that adding wristbands and gripping higher works, too. If you want to add some, or do some decorating as others have done, silicone wristbands are very inexpensive; see Amazon/eBay/Google.

Re the nail, the key there is that less is more, both less material and less heat. The extraction efficiency is phenomenal. You might search on posts in this thread about the VXN by @Enchantre. She is very experienced and has done a lot of great experimenting with the VXN and various concentrates. Once you get the routine down, it actually is quite simple. And, you'll be getting a higher output ratio too, making for greater economy. (I find the same is true with flowers.)

Capping the bottom air intake is called "throttling." It's a technique some of us used with the earlier generation Clouds to change the air ratio. With the EVO's new firmware, not only unnecessary but a bad idea, as you discovered. If the EVO combusts, something is amiss with machine and/or technique.

About the ABV . . . The EVO is strictly speaking a combination conduction/convection machine but with the convection doing by far most of the work. (Note that proper loading of the ELB and keeping it clean is very important.) Depending on your herb, it is not uncommon for the herb to be fully extracted and yet not that very dark, almost burnt, color that other vapes produce. In other words, with the EVO more is at work than just raw heat. Many of us have tested this by taking ABV from the EVO and vaping it through another machine, only to find no more vapor being produced.

Finally, re the glass. Due to the "craft" nature of glass-blowing outfits, it's difficult for VXL to be sure what they can replenish and when. Consequently they apparently now only show what they have and what they anticipate is coming. The HF 2.0 may be restocked at some time (as it has before), or not. If you're interested in a piece, just send a query to Support.

Hope some of that helps. Keep us apprised of your progress. And again, welcome.

--OBG
 

biohacker

Well-Known Member
Got to try the EVO yesterday for the first time in many months thanks to my brotha @lazylathe! Not only that, but he is also lending me his precious Limited Edition Swagger HT! That combo is so sick!

Wow, it didn't take me long before I started praising all the improvements over my Cloud+. It wasn't always like this, and when I did my comparisons back last fall in this thread, my vaping experience has definitely EVOlved since then and i've been using the Herbie alot to compare. The EVO is definitely a massive improvement over the original Cloud and (+)....as said many times, it's a different beast and different technique is required. Since I already knew the technique from my last test drive, and with @lazylathe observing - we did direct comparisons with the Cloud+ and EVO and the EVO took the cake easily! WAAAAAY better taste! And believe it or not even better white walling and bigger clouds! Holy shit I love this thing!

I was also now introduced to the VXN! OMG....yesterday was better than ANY Christmas could ever be! I'm definitely looking on doing some more testing with the EVO and Cloud+, and also do some more comparing to my Herbie, which I pretty much exclusively use with a HT like the EVO.

Just a few small things that I love about the EVO now that I didn't before. It's light! Before I prefered the heavier sturdier steel casing of the original model, but after using the EVO....not anymore...so light and easy to invert. The on/off switch feels smoother and easier, and the bamboo is a bit tighter and grips the ELBs better. The temp spectrum on the EVO is FLAWLESS.....my Cloud+ is way too hot after 3:00.

My only issue so far (user error) has been if I pull really slow for really long, even at moderate heat (1:00) I can get a bad burning taste. Only happened twice so far though, and after burning off on Max temp it has gone away for now and back to delicious tasty vapour.

This will be one hell of a Sunday testing all the toys! I love being a vaporizer/vapour geek!

Thanks again @lazylathe !
 

JCruiser

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I got an EVO recently and have been somewhat less than impressed. Ive been using the ticker and then Cloud+ since they came out and it seems to me that my EVO performs slightly worse than my Cloud+.
When i first got my EVO i set it to noon and gave it a good long warm up. I gave it a whirl and had almost no visible vapor. I tried one o'clock, then two, three and finally max. On max it worked, but still not as good as my cloud+. I assumed the heat sensor was off or something so opened a support ticket and sent it in. When i got it back it performed exactly the same. After emailing with VapeXhale they told me that my EVO tested close to the top of the heat range but that i could send it in again for them to re-check it (they have been very nice about it).
Ive given it a week to see if it was just an adjustment period on my end or maybe my expectations were just too high but side by side i like the way the Cloud+ performs noticeable better. I'm not trying to be a pain in the butt customer to VXH so i'm trying to figure out if this is just the way the EVO's work or if i should send it in again.
On max and after being warmed up for over an hour i can make the EVO light return from green to red with one big hit. And it will take another 10-20 seconds for the EVO to return to green. is that normal? i could never do that on any other properly warmed up Cloud.
Also the 3-MAX range on the dial has no effect on the light going either direction. So i'm assuming that three o'clock is the same temp as max even though i still keep it cranked up all the way.
I run my Cloud+ at the 2-2:30 range and if i turn it up much more it will combust. So i'm already pushing the upper ends of the vaping temp range. maybe thats just not what the EVO is designed for?? I'm def not the guy going for max flavor. And the draw is slightly tighter on the EVO too. Do all EVO's have a tighter draw than the original Clouds?
Sorry if this post sounds awfully negative towards the EVO. It still works way better than any other vaporizer ive used other than the original Clouds. I just had super high expectations and am a bit let down. The Cloud+ was suppose to be my new back-up, not my EVO.
Should i try sending it back again or is it just me?
 
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oldiebutgoodie

Apostle, Church of Vaporization
I got an EVO recently and have been somewhat less than impressed. Ive been using the ticker and then Cloud+ since they came out and it seems to me that my EVO performs slightly worse than my Cloud+.
When i first got my EVO i set it to noon and gave it a good long warm up. I gave it a whirl and had almost no visible vapor. I tried one o'clock, then two, three and finally max. On max it worked, but still not as good as my cloud+. I assumed the heat sensor was off or something so opened a support ticket and sent it in. When i got it back it performed exactly the same. After emailing with VapeXhale they told me that my EVO tested close to the top of the heat range but that i could send it in again for them to re-check it (they have been very nice about it).
Ive given it a week to see if it was just an adjustment period on my end or maybe my expectations were just too high but side by side i like the way the Cloud+ performs noticeable better. I'm not trying to be a pain in the butt customer to VXH so i'm trying to figure out if this is just the way the EVO's work or if i should send it in again.
On max and after being warmed up for over an hour i can make the EVO light return from green to red with one big hit. And it will take another 10-20 seconds for the EVO to return to green. is that normal? i could never do that on any other properly warmed up Cloud.
Also the 3-MAX range on the dial has no effect on the light going either direction. So i'm assuming that three o'clock is the same temp as max even though i still keep it cranked up all the way.
I run my Cloud+ at the 2-2:30 range and if i turn it up much more it will combust. So i'm already pushing the upper ends of the vaping temp range. maybe thats just not what the EVO is designed for?? I'm def not the guy going for max flavor. And the draw is slightly tighter on the EVO too. Do all EVO's have a tighter draw than the original Clouds?
Sorry if this post sounds awfully negative towards the EVO. It still works way better than any other vaporizer ive used other than the original Clouds. I just had super high expectations and am a bit let down. The Cloud+ was suppose to be my new back-up, not my EVO.
Should i try sending it back again or is it just me?

Even though you're already an experienced Cloud user, for the hell of it first check the basics, i.e., clean ELB's, fluffy grind, only loading the ELB a quarter to a third, doing a primer hit and/or pulling slower and not hard. If you are hitting the EVO like you hit your other Clouds, you may encounter an issue because, well, they don't operate the same. The heater range relative to the dial is definitely different, and will vary a bit between units; it's not unusual for 3 to be the top end. Also, previous generation Clouds were known to sometimes run hot. While some users liked that, it actually wasn't intentional by VXL.

From your description of the light taking 20 seconds to return to green, and the draw feeling tighter, is it possible you're hitting it too sharply or too hard? Does your EVO whistle? If it does, try pulling up to the point the whistle just begins and holding the draw at that rate.

The only other thing I can think of would be the diameter of the bamboo. My beta unit was on the tight end of the range, whistled loudly, and required a different pull than the unit I now have which barely whistles and I find is quite comfortable.

Obviously I'm fishing for possibilities in this reply. There are many posts from OG/Plus users who prefer the EVO, but it took experimenting to make the transition. Even more posts from new users who struggled at first with the EVO's subtleties, but once they got that down, are happy. Perhaps if you put your Plus aside for a while and used the EVO exclusively, with experimenting your technique may adjust to the subtle but important differences? If that doesn't do it for you (and surely others will have suggestions, too), you might want to talk with VXL about the bamboo; maybe you need one on the outside diameter.

Just my :2c:. Good luck!
 

t-dub

Vapor Sloth
a primer hit and/or pulling slower and not hard. If you are hitting the EVO like you hit your other Clouds, you may encounter an issue because, well, they don't operate the same.
This is so true. Just switched back to EVO from Cloud+ and the difference can be disconcerting at first. EVO takes a soft pull until vapor starts coming, then you can rip it, but she must be coaxed a bit. Once vapor starts flowing I can kill a bowl in one big hit, 2 at the most and she is spent.
 
Even though you're already an experienced Cloud user, for the hell of it first check the basics, i.e., clean ELB's, fluffy grind, only loading the ELB a quarter to a third, doing a primer hit and/or pulling slower and not hard. If you are hitting the EVO like you hit your other Clouds, you may encounter an issue because, well, they don't operate the same. The heater range relative to the dial is definitely different, and will vary a bit between units; it's not unusual for 3 to be the top end. Also, previous generation Clouds were known to sometimes run hot. While some users liked that, it actually wasn't intentional by VXL.

From your description of the light taking 20 seconds to return to green, and the draw feeling tighter, is it possible you're hitting it too sharply or too hard? Does your EVO whistle? If it does, try pulling up to the point the whistle just begins and holding the draw at that rate.

The only other thing I can think of would be the diameter of the bamboo. My beta unit was on the tight end of the range, whistled loudly, and required a different pull than the unit I now have which barely whistles and I find is quite comfortable.

Obviously I'm fishing for possibilities in this reply. There are many posts from OG/Plus users who prefer the EVO, but it took experimenting to make the transition. Even more posts from new users who struggled at first with the EVO's subtleties, but once they got that down, are happy. Perhaps if you put your Plus aside for a while and used the EVO exclusively, with experimenting your technique may adjust to the subtle but important differences? If that doesn't do it for you (and surely others will have suggestions, too), you might want to talk with VXL about the bamboo; maybe you need one on the outside diameter.

Just my :2c:. Good luck!
Hey Oldie! I was wondering what you meant by your suggestion with the bamboo and recommending one on the "outside diameter"?
 
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solodolo420

Well-Known Member
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Just got this bad boy over the weekend at my LHS since I don't have enough money for one of those hydra tubes, it hits really nice but you really have to pull much harder than before. My VXN comes in tomorrow and have read to turn off the EVO right as you put the nail in and take the hit, is that what most of you recommend? Also, what is a good temperature range you use for concentrates, I generally use 1-3 when I use flowers.
 
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Stu

Maconheiro
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Just got this bad boy over the weekend at my LHS since I don't have enough money for one of those hydra tubes, it hits really nice but you really have to pull much harder than before. My VXN comes in tomorrow and have read to turn off the EVO right as you put the nail in and take the hit, is that what most of you recommend? Also, what is a good temperature range you use for concentrates, I generally use 1-3 when I use flowers.
I hope you have the whip adapter coming with your VXN, because you won't be able to use it inverted with that rig. You either need a hydratube or and adapter/whip setup to use with a standard bong/bub.

:peace:
 

Jeppy

Pure Vaporist
I hope you have the whip adapter coming with your VXN, because you won't be able to use it inverted with that rig. You either need a hydratube or and adapter/whip setup to use with a standard bong/bub.

:peace:
He will, for flowers only. Also, if my EVO ever clogs, i'm using the (iso papertowel) method. :wave:
 
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oldiebutgoodie

Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Hey Oldie! I was wondering what you meant by your suggestion with the bamboo and recommending one on the "outside diameter"?

Damn, I only later realized that remark would probably get me in trouble. :doh: This info is from the beta phase, I can't vouch for it's current accuracy nor that of my :myday: memory. So with those caveats . . . a limitation in the glass manufacturing process is that it cannot be perfectly precise down to the exact mm. Consequently there is a tight tolerance range spec'd by VXL engineering. All bamboo are QA'd to ensure they are within that acceptable range. As I understand it, though very small this still results in a slight variation in airflow across the range. Most units will fall inside the range and therefore no difference is noticeable. A unit at the bottom of the range is a wee bit tighter and if put side by side to a unit at the top of the range, an experienced user might notice a difference. Even so, the user only needs to tune his/her pull to adjust for this.

This is a long-winded attempt at explaining what @t-dub succinctly describes above. Each user fairly quickly and easily finds the pull that works best for him/her, but sometimes it does take a bit of experimenting. And coming from an older Cloud may accentuate the difference, hence my suggestion to focus exclusively on the EVO until one gets the pull exactly dialed in as preferred.


Just got this bad boy over the weekend at my LHS since I don't have enough money for one of those hydra tubes, it hits really nice but you really have to pull much harder than before. My VXN comes in tomorrow and have read to turn off the EVO right as you put the nail in and take the hit, is that what most of you recommend? Also, what is a good temperature range you use for concentrates, I generally use 1-3 when I use flowers.

For temp suggestions with various concentrates, I would take a look at posts over the last couple months re the VXN. IMO especially those by @Enchantre, who has done a lot of experimenting with technique. IIRC most are using a much lower temp than flowers, and only a very small amount of concentrate.
 
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Enchantre

Oil Painter
For temp suggestions with various concentrates, I would take a look at posts over the last couple months re the VXN. IMO especially those by @Enchantre, who has done a lot of experimenting with technique. IIRC most are using a much lower temp than flowers, and only a very small amount of concentrate.
Thank you!

Yes, I find that I get the absolute best results with concentrates with a cold start EVO, set at Noon, when it barely flickers green, slide that VXN in with a dab that's really tiny, watch for it to vaporize (count to 10 - it works), then start with a very, very very slow draw, to fill the HT with vapor. Exhale, pause a moment, WATCH THAT LIGHT... if it even hints at turning red, TURN OFF THE EVO! I have been counting to three, then doing a massive draw. it MILKS. and it tastes wonderful!

Clear the tube; turn knob to Max, turn EVO back ON, let it burn off the black residue. Sit back, smile, enjoy.
 

solodolo420

Well-Known Member
I hope you have the whip adapter coming with your VXN, because you won't be able to use it inverted with that rig. You either need a hydratube or and adapter/whip setup to use with a standard bong/bub.

:peace:
I have the dry mouthpiece that originally came with it, I actually did not know you could not use it inverted, I should have known that my mistake
 
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