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Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud EVO

I own and run both daily, the Cloud+ is in a different league than most vapes. However it does produce harsher more irritating vapor than the EVO. THE EVO produces the smoothest vapor ever. The Cloud+ is totally different than the EVO
 

biohacker

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How do you think it's in a different league than most vapes and what's your opinion on its differences to the EVO? What temps do you use your EVO at?
 
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LongIslandmom

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My solo is the only vape I currently have that does irritate my throat. I'm currently sick so using my solo is out of the equation right now for me.
How is it better on your throat? I need that very badly. I am on an enforced break because I need throat surgery so I need to find the smoothest device out there.

How is that the solo is smoother than the xhale
 
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dandan321

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How is it better on your throat? I need that very badly. I am on an enforced break because I need throat surgery so I need to find the smoothest device out there.

How is that the solo is smoother than the xhale

He said the opposite :

'My solo is the only vape I currently have that does irritate my throat.'
 
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exit

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I own and run both daily, the Cloud+ is in a different league than most vapes. However it does produce harsher more irritating vapor than the EVO. THE EVO produces the smoothest vapor ever. The Cloud+ is totally different than the EVO

I disagree. Evo does the job quickly. You get a less even roast but you get a rapid flash extraction. When Evo bowls start tasting done, they stop hitting too.

Cloud/cloud+ will roast the bowl more evenly and thoroughly. The Evo has given me the bad habit of wanting to pull a bowl out when it start tasting cooked, but it will keep hitting for a while.
 
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LongIslandmom

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I disagree. Evo does the job quickly. You get a less even roast but you get a full quick extraction. When Evo bowls start tasting done, they stop hitting too.

Cloud/cloud+ will roast the bowl more evenly and thoroughly. The Evo has given me the bad habit of wanting to pull a bowl out when it start tasting cooked, but it will keep hitting for a while.
He said the opposite :

'My solo is the only vape I currently have that does irritate my throat.'
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He said the opposite :

'My solo is the only vape I currently have that does irritate my throat.'
you are right my bad. I need the smoothest thing out there and I don't think there could be anything smoother than the evo beast. Does anyone know if the dh20 bubbler is a good match with the evo. I think I need to lower my temp when I resume and start at 4 to 5:00 instead of 2
 
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OakenCipher

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LOL this HT looks funny :D
I'm worried about that circ, it seems it could break off really easily. That doesn't look like a perc I would pay such premium price for.
It doesn't look at all as sturdy as mine where thin glass is nowhere to be found:
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Thank god the glass was good back then, seems like their prices are going up and the glass quality down.
I've already seen some breaks where the glass looked really thin at the female joint attachment - that should be the thickest part as well as perc base!


Glow can be normal under some circumstances.
When you dial the max, then immediately after turn off, it can be possible to see faint red glow from the heater. It doesn't glow when the dial is lower and the green has been on for a while.
When the unit is heat-soaked like that, the heat is already there so the heater doesn't (and shouldn't) need to heat a lot to maintain that.
Hovewer when you turn on the unit from cold start, the heater will build up a very intense yellow glow withing a minute so it heats up as fast as it can. Then about 30 seconds before the temp is reached, the smart heater goes off. This is when the glow is most intense. The heater knows exactly when to stop so at the time when that glowing heat disperses into the glass it also reaches the temperature precisely and the LED goes green (yes sometimes it can overshoot a little because of this - then the heater just waits a bit more so the temp backs down).

This behaviour can drive someone who doesn't know what's going on into paranioa over overheating. I think it could be mentioned in the manual that on startup or max setting it is normal to see a glow from the heater.

I think it's also possible to "abuse" this behaviour to make the unit overshoot a lot:
1) You set the dial to max knowing how long it would take to go green from cold start.
2) You turn it on and count until about 30 secs remain to green and then back the dial down until you reach green.
3) Well, this was the point, where the unit would stop heating so the temp reaches that max dial after that 30 secs, now you've told it you want the temp to stay where it is now, but the heater is already boosted and the unit can't do anything about that, it can just overshoot and wait. It would need to stop another 30 seconds ago to stabilize there without overshooting.

Thanks for the information about the glow and further alleviating my former worry. And about the paranoia you mentioned: that was me last week for an evening!
 
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Monsoon

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How is it better on your throat? I need that very badly. I am on an enforced break because I need throat surgery so I need to find the smoothest device out there.

I have a more sensitive throat than most and found the Mobius Matrix Clear to be super smooth and has replaced all my glass. I do dabs and VXN hits through it but even with all the filtration the flavor still comes through just not as strong. The Clear is out of stock now but the Reti perc and smaller Ion models are just as good.

I also find oil on the whole to be smoother on the throat than vaping flowers and I was able to dab through the flu last time without coughing out a lung.
 

JD13

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To anyone who has broken their bamboo in the past - do you notice it right away? For example, can there be a tiny crack and keep running normally or does it not function or heat up correctly once the bamboo is cracked in any way?

When my light is on red, it looks like there is a tiny crack at the bottom but I think its just the light or something cus I cant see it on green or when its off and it works just fine.

Cheers
 
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kimura

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Less flavor+harsher? Sounds like it was alot hotter, are you sure they were roughly the same vaping temperature?

They were as close to the same temp as I could manage without using any equipment. Extraction seemed to be about the same. This is subjectively based on cloudage, ABV color and medicating effect.

I think the totally different bamboo design found in the EVO makes the difference. The Cloud+ bamboo is wide open compared to the more narrow bamboo in the EVO. I suspect that the EVO is much more successful at creating favorable turbulence, possible lowering atmospheric pressure at the point of vaporization, or maybe the Cloud+ is just unable to heat all that air as evenly, but this is definitely above my pay grade... I know my units and my EVO extracts as well as my Cloud+ with less harshness and more flavor
 

solodolo420

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To anyone who has broken their bamboo in the past - do you notice it right away? For example, can there be a tiny crack and keep running normally or does it not function or heat up correctly once the bamboo is cracked in any way?

When my light is on red, it looks like there is a tiny crack at the bottom but I think its just the light or something cus I cant see it on green or when its off and it works just fine.

Cheers
I think you answered your own question considering you said it works just fine, but I'm not sure.
 
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OrdinaryJoe

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Just a quick question, I use to own a solo and enjoyed making milk with the stem every few weeks. how would one go about collecting this honey from the HT??
 
OrdinaryJoe,
Just a quick question, I use to own a solo and enjoyed making milk with the stem every few weeks. how would one go about collecting this honey from the HT??
You would most likely have to ISO wash it out and then scrape once the alcohol evaporates. Then you can just mix it with your milk and it should be the same.
 
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Rizzalso

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To anyone who has broken their bamboo in the past - do you notice it right away? For example, can there be a tiny crack and keep running normally or does it not function or heat up correctly once the bamboo is cracked in any way?

When my light is on red, it looks like there is a tiny crack at the bottom but I think its just the light or something cus I cant see it on green or when its off and it works just fine.

Cheers


When my bamboo cracked, I would get combustion every time I used it. No matter what the dial was set at.
 
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M00NEY

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I have been lurking for quite some time, but thought I would add my voice to some of the things discussed in here of late.

First is the ELB durability. I have had my EVO since November of 2013. I ordered a 4 pack of ELB's just after it arrived because I read how consumable they are. I have not ordered another since. I have 6 perfect, full functional, not damaged ELBs in constant rotation. The soak at times for days, other times for hours in 99% ISO and/or PBW. No ill effects. No signs of wear or tear. I too use a brush after most bowls are cashed - but not always. I intend to soak them after a day or two of use, but often times it is 2 weeks of using the SAME ELB and just brushing it out. The brush I use is fantastic:
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Shaver Aid B20 Small Cleaning Wire Brush [$1.49/ea on Amazon]

The mascara applicator looking side is perfect for brushing the sides of the ELB clean, dropping all that to the bottom, then another dump, then, while upside down, the brush end gently cleans the bottom of the ELB. I intend to do this after each load. Sometime I realize it has been days since I even brushed one out... I get no problems, regardless. I have reached the point where I can feel a bit of added restriction and after a look, sure enough the ELB is filthy.

Second is the auto-shutoff/overheating concerns. I run my EVO on a WeMo switch with a 7 day program. I do this to DEFEAT the auto-shutoff. My unit, for nearly a year, every day, has been on from noon to 2AM. It turns off for 1 minute every 30 minutes. This is done so I can have a vape whenever I want with no prep whatsoever. I use my flower (non legal state for the moment) from dube tubes - pre-ground, so the amount of time needed to have a vape is anywhere from 30 seconds to a nice relaxed session. The point of all this is occasionally I will turn the unit off and I too can see an orange glow where the heater sits. I think it is established that this is normal behavior, just adding to the evidence that perfectly functioning, never repaired EVO's see this too. I tend to run the EVO at 2PM, but I do move around the dial during a session whenever the mood strikes. If I am relaxing into it, I might drop to 11-12 and work my way to 2-3.

Next is the durability of the unit. Plenty of newcomers checking out the thread have expressed their concern for how many failures they see. It bears repeating the fact that happy customers rarely say so. We only see the issues - and there really are not that many. Add into that how many of the issues are actual production problems vs accidents, and the numbers get better. It is a solid unit IMO and well worth the price of admission. Again, mine has been running nearly 14 hours a day every day for nearly a year with not even a hiccup...

I saw some mention of the loos bamboo affecting performance and the fact that that person felt if he tightened it (I think he said 'righty tighty'...) it got better. I wanted to note that the bamboo can get loose due to the fact that it is held in place tightly via compression foam. That compression foam does not rebound. Once it compresses, it is compressed. So, when it ships, everything is tight. As we use the unit, there are a lot of factors that can cause the bamboo to move a little - pushing down on the HT a little too hard while hitting is a very common method. That little bit of pressure can cause the bamboo to push down a millimeter or so into the foam. Once it does, there is a little play moving forward. Another way that people unintentionally introduce this play is twisting a slightly joint-locked HT off the bamboo - if the bamboo turns with the HT a little, you have a little play. I noticed a VERY minor amount of play in mine, spoke to Siebo about it and am 100% comfortable that this is a complete non-issue. It also bear mention that the bamboo is not threaded at all, so if you feel like you are tightening it, perhaps you are simply a)finding a spot that it is balanced, pressing on the compression foam and b)probably adding more play by turning it at all.

And finally, how many hits, how thick are the clouds, vapor production. It has been mentioned - strain and pack play a huge role here, as does draw speed. I can take some Alien Dawg with a nice fine grind, nice and dry, load .1g in an ELB and cash it out completely in 2, maybe 3 draws. I can do one big draw and cash it out, but it feels more wasteful as I know I am exhaling so much that my body didn't get to yet. I can then load .1g of Girl Scout Cookies and I get 6, 7, 8 hits off that bowl. Both strains end up looking like coffee grounds (really dark ABV) and when cashed are not discernable from each other.

I used to be after those huge hits, then I tried better pacing, smaller hits and I got a lot more effect from the product. It has become my go to method.

Last bit (sorry for the wall-o-text), I am in the camp of convinced that thicker/cloudier vapor =/= better vapor and that darker ABV =/= better extraction. I too think the darkness is coming from conduction vs convection. And I too think that strain will be a major factor in dictating how thick that vapor is.

It sure is a fun learning curve to round....
 

LongIslandmom

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I have a more sensitive throat than most and found the Mobius Matrix Clear to be super smooth and has replaced all my glass. I do dabs and VXN hits through it but even with all the filtration the flavor still comes through just not as strong. The Clear is out of stock now but the Reti perc and smaller Ion models are just as good.

I also find oil on the whole to be smoother on the throat than vaping flowers and I was able to dab through the flu last time without coughing out a lung.
Any other ideas this is way out of my price range
 

Salazar

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do some of you guys turn your evo to temperatures past 3 oclock , for some reason some of my herb can only produce vapor at temperatures 4+
3, maybe 3 and 1/4 is pretty much my max. Any more than that and it feels too hot. I seem to notice the most variation when switching between 1:30 and 3.
 
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