Low temp wax pen dabs?

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DonDizzurp

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Is there any pen that actually vapes at a decent temperature instead of frying the shit out of the concentrate?
Pens usually give me a very dry, hot, harsh hit and taste horrible. Maybe it's just the ones I've tried.

What's the closest thing to a Ti nail in pen form?
 
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DonDizzurp said:
Is there any pen that actually vapes at a decent temperature instead of frying the shit out of the concentrate?
Pens usually give me a very dry, hot, harsh hit and taste horrible. Maybe it's just the ones I've tried.

What's the closest thing to a Ti nail in pen form?
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I think you should look into Divine Tribe's donut heater carts :) Other than that there was some gong pen i can't remember the name but its in the dedicated forum section somewhere :)
 
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matthend

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the dabbler definitely delivers the best flavor I have experienced, especially with the ceramic heater...
 
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Caligula

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The dabber doesn't have a ceramic heater it has a ceramic wick. The oil is still heated by red hot wire.

The only "pen cart" that's produced with an actual ceramic heating element is the W9 Hercules cart. It also happens to be a good suggestion for the OP.
 
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The dabber doesn't have a ceramic heater it has a ceramic wick. The oil is still heated by red hot wire.

The only "pen cart" that's produced with an actual ceramic heating element is the W9 Hercules cart. It also happens to be a good suggestion for the OP.
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The donut atty from divine tribes uses a ceramic heater too:
http://www.ineedhemp.com/Atomizers.html
 
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matthend

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the dabbler with the ceramic rod wrapped in inconel delivers the best flavor along with powerful hits IMO. I have been watching that divine tribe atty with interest too, and have been building the readiwick diamondback coils in an igo-w with good decent results. I keep coming back to the dabbler as my most used device by far. I will probably pick up one of the divine tribe deals soon to try it, but so far the dabbler is my favorite
 
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llamaman001

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Thermovape ava atomizers if you can find them anywhere, the original ceramic cart and the best
 
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DonDizzurp

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Those Divine Tribe donut attys look pretty cool. What's the lead made out of? Obviously not ceramic but is it some kind of lead-based metal?

Thermovape Luna would be cool but the company is out of business:( Plus it's like $350+tax+shipping
 
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you dont need an entire luna setup. just snag one of the ava atomizers off of vaporenvy, brand new.

they are 510 threaded so they will fit any device.
 
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matthend

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llamaman001 said:
you dont need an entire luna setup. just snag one of the ava atomizers off of vaporenvy, brand new.

they are 510 threaded so they will fit any device.
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ok, now i am interested. What are the intentions behind the different resistance models?
 
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Not sure why someone would consider a discontinued TV Luna (which requires frequent rebuilds IIRC), over the still supported SR-7X Hercules cart from W9.

IMO performance between the two carts is equal (if not superior in the case of the Hercules), while the W9 unit remains in production (aka it's still supported by a company that's actually in business) and never requires a rebuild? At $100, I don't think price is even a mitigating factor here.

Perhaps you guys know something I dont?
 
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Caligula said:
Not sure why someone would consider a discontinued TV Luna (which requires frequent rebuilds IIRC), over the still supported SR-7X Hercules cart from W9.

IMO performance between the two carts is equal (if not superior in the case of the Hercules), while the W9 unit remains in production (aka it's still supported by a company that's actually in business) and never requires a rebuild? At $100, I don't think price is even a mitigating factor here.

Perhaps you guys know something I dont?
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Pics of the heating element? Wickless and coil-less ceramic heating element is probably the best design thus far.
 
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DonDizzurp said:
Pics of the heating element? Wickless and coil-less ceramic heating element is probably the best design thus far.
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The heating element is a single medical grade ceramic rod. It has two tungsten contacts embedded into it to conduct electrical current.

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Sitting around the rod is a mesh of grade 2 Titanium wire. This holds the oil as it waits to be heated by the ceramic rod. This "oil coil" holds about half a gram.

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The assembled heater core then goes together inside a stainless steel body:

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It all then goes into a 100% PTFE (teflon) heat shield/shell.

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None of this stuff really wears out and it can ALL be iso soaked to clean back to brand new status. It also comes with a 1 year warranty. Yes, a cart that actually has a warranty.

This thing is made of ceramic, titanium, stainless steel, and Teflon. Absolutely nothing else.
 
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There is no handheld device with electronic temperature control, like an e-nail. The only way to modulate power with wire heaters is to pulse the button, but you can't precisely target a particular temperature.

The positive-temperature coefficient ceramic heating elements provide a measure of temperature control, in that the target temperature of the heating element varies with the voltage applied. With a variable voltage power supply, you can precisely and repeatably set temperature, although you won't know what that temperature is. You'll have to dial-in your sweet spot via trial & error.

The devices using wire heaters suck; not because of wire heating elements per se, but because they use such small heating elements that reach very high temperatures. You can build your own wire heater skillet with big beefy coils, and drive them at low temps. But, there are no off the shelf skillets like this, and there are no off the shelf power supplies with temperature control.

Imagine a BudToaster for concentrates. The guys on ECF are less enthusiastic, but they don't get high on errl.
 
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But any "temperature control" is done by adjusting voltage. Just because someone sits down and plots what voltage corresponds to what temperature doesnt make the mechanism any different (which is what a digital enail with temp readout does).


That said, W9 offers the Iris and the Core which both control voltage applied to the Hercules or whatever other cart you have attached to it.
 
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:love:Much love for the Persei/ SR-7x/ Core. I use an older Double Top with The Core. The Double does not have the "low battery" blind spots that the newer protected models have. Lower the voltage= lower the Temperature. Once you dial it in you can ride the button and get lost in the clouds.:smug:
 
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215z said:
There is no handheld device with electronic temperature control, like an e-nail. The only way to modulate power with wire heaters is to pulse the button, but you can't precisely target a particular temperature.
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Hopefully not for much longer this is a pic of Evolv's newest DNA chip that's going to be released. 3x 18650 cells supply between 1v-12v and up to 280 watts. Obviously since this is just a battery unit it must just be calculated with an algorithm somehow.

Although in this and in all atomizers isn't the temp of your concentrate/juice a relationship between how saturated your coil is and the wattage being provided to the coil. As the errl or juice vaporizes the coil should be flooded again reducing the coil temp with the new product. Until feed to your coils slows and temp rises putting you closer to dry hitting.

TLDR: if the coils wet it shouldn't be red hot.
 
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DonDizzurp

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That would only really work with specific attys. One atty at 4V won't produce the same temp as another at 4V, right?
 
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