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Built-in temp adjustment.
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As I understand it, getting an Underdog without a VVPS is like buying a car stereo without an Aux In. Sure, you'll get by, but you're missing out on the best part of owning the device. With the additional value saved with the UD it is a non-issue.

Also, calling it "built-in" is definitely dishonest.
 
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steama said:
Wrong, can't use the fucking thing without the cord which has the control on it. Every enano comes this way. It is part of the device. Where is the dishonesty of saying it is built in?

If you use an enano you have temp control — everyone does.
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It is simply a VVPS. An Underdog with a VVPS has the EXACT same feature set in this regard.

Part of the device != part of the power supply

I'm looking for real factors that make this different from the UD. A VVPS can be had for less than the price difference between the two and the UD comes with a free GonG and 2 more stems (and a car adapter). What reason do I have to forgo the extra $45 in free accessories? This isn't me being snippy or sarcastic, this is a real question.
 
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He kind of has a point. It's not built into the device, it's built into the wire.
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If you knew how AC electricity worked then you would understand that this is basically as built-in as you can get. What else do you want? A knob on the Nano itself? I prefer it in the cable. Most people I don't think want a bigass knob on the side of their nano making it look weird and require electronics to be drilled into the wood? If you don't want the variable power, use any plain old AC cable that fits and you get 11 watt nano.

IMO thats the beauty of the nano design. It makes really clever use of AC power for the log vape's purpose. My biggest problem with any DC log vape is hauling around a big old DC power brick along with my VVPS. The nano is able to reduce all that to a little wheel in a power cable which you don't even have to use.
 
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I'm confused by that first sentence because E-Nano's solution IS a VVPS. It's one that causes the vape itself to be consistently pulled over, so it's hardly more elegant. Do you own/have you owned both? I'll be buying an aftermarket GonG for the E-Nano if I get one, so their stock design is irrelevant.

Presuming, for a moment, that the PSU is the craziest piece of modern engineering; is it worth the effective $80 increase in price? I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that it is, so I'm asking about the OTHER features. What makes this vape better than a UD other than the PSU?

It's amazing how snippy these dedicate threads get if you infer that the vape could possibly be less than stellar compared to the competition.
 
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http://www.amazon.com/Inline-Dimmer...ITQ0/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1337375290&sr=8-6

Apparently that can be easily used with the Underdog. Looks kinda familiar too. So... for $3 it has the same temp adjustment as an E-Nano?

Just saying guys. I wish there was more room for discussion like this on FC without it turning flamey.
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That requires you to have a wall-wart plugged into your outlet. If that's not worth an $80 increase, I don't know what is!

Does anyone have anything to weigh in on regarding the other features of the E-Nano compared to the UD?

EDIT: UD also offers FC member discounts/freebies. That's additional savings on top of everything. What are the real advantages other than AC power (which eliminates the use of a car adapter)?
 
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http://www.amazon.com/Inline-Dimmer...ITQ0/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1337375290&sr=8-6

Apparently that can be easily used with the Underdog. Looks kinda familiar too. So... for $3 it has the same temp adjustment as an E-Nano?

Just saying guys. I wish there was more room for discussion like this on FC without it turning flamey.
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well the nano temp adjustment is basically just a variable resistor on a wheel, as that's all you need to limit voltage with AC power

that's what this looks like, but DC is different than AC, so i definitely wouldn't trust this with any of my DC log vapes.

found this when perusing reviews for keyword "voltage", sheds some light on how this is probably too unstable for log vape use.

This dimmer is designed to reduce the voltage that feeds the IR controller, not the voltage that comes out of the controller and feeds the lights. The controller is designed to run on 12vdc, and while it may be able to operate at voltages below that, there will be a threshold at which it stops working. When you hit this point, the PWM signal that is modulating the LEDs will become ragged, and the lamp operation will become erratic.
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All the info you need is already on the threads. It seems like you are doing pretty good figuring it all out.
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This is something everyone likes to say, but nobody actually gives any real info. Going strictly by what the forums say the E-Nano has a better PSU and that's really the only advantage to it. That is why I'm asking for real opinions from people with real experience instead of hearsay and flaming.

EDIT: The UD is on sale for $160 and comes with 3 stems plus a GonG and car adapter. UD offers free shipping as well as other freebies for FC forum members. The three extra pieces would be $45 on their own. To acquire the same set with an E-Nano would cost $240 and you lose the chance to use a car adapter.
 
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steama said:
The dimmer solution for AC temperature control as we enano users use it is excellent and proven.
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my whole point of that post was that the dimmer solution is probably not ideal for DC vapes unless it was very overbuilt and even then it would require an external DC power brick...
 
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steama said:
The dimmer solution for AC temperature control as we enano users use it is excellent and proven.
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This is just jargon-y nonsense. Sweet variable resistors and knob. Variable Voltage isn't some new-age abracadabra.

How is it that I've asked three times for information on anything other than the PSU, yet everyone is trying to convince me that PSU is worth that much money? Is there really no other advantage to the Nano?

PS: Aluminum near the heating element is NOT a selling point.
 
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Log vapes are a category,
Underdog makes log vapes
E-nano makes log vapes
HI makes log vapes

they will all medicate efficiently. If you think the UD Is for you then go for it.
A 30,000$ car gets you from A to B
A 15,000$ car gets you from A to B

A 45$ saving is a good deal
They both are able to be adjusted.
I like my e-nano for its size, when I was deciding the UD's looked a bit bigger. you are not going to find revolutionary features between the 2 brands, decide which you like better and what you are willing to pay.

Edit: one of the distinguishing features I believe is that the E-nano has a heater "stop" in the stems, I may be in correct but I believe the UD Stems do not and heater distance is determined manually
 
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LazyIdol said:
Log vapes are a category,
Underdog makes log vapes
E-nano makes log vapes
HI makes log vapes

they will all medicate efficiently. If you think the UD Is for you then go for it.
A 30,000$ car gets you from A to B
A 15,000$ car gets you from A to B

A 45$ saving is a good deal
They both are able to be adjusted.
I like my e-nano for its size, when I was deciding the UD's looked a bit bigger. you are not going to find revolutionary features between the 2 brands, decide which you like better and what you are willing to pay.
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A $30,000 vehicle has additional features that make that price difference worthwhile. That is a VITAL talking point, I don't see why this forum is so against an open discussion about it.

I have received no information. I posed a question, "What other than the power supply makes the E-Nano worth the premium over the Underdog?" The answer I received is, "The power supply."
 
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well the nano temp adjustment is basically just a variable resistor on a wheel, as that's all you need to limit voltage with AC power

that's what this looks like, but DC is different than AC, so i definitely wouldn't trust this with any of my DC log vapes.

found this when perusing reviews for keyword "voltage", sheds some light on how this is probably too unstable for log vape use.
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updated my post with source link. from the ud thread, the ud manufacturer says it works for him to lower temp.

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This is just jargon-y nonsense. Sweet variable resistors and knob. Variable Voltage isn't some new-age abracadabra.

How is it that I've asked three times for information on anything other than the PSU, yet everyone is trying to convince me that PSU is worth that much money? Is there really no other advantage to the Nano?

PS: Aluminum near the heating element is NOT a selling point.
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Because I'm bored and was reading a review of the UD, here's a more detailed difference, from this review:

The supplied power adapter is meant to run the Underdog at the optimal temperature. If you feel like you want the device to get a little hotter, investing in a Variable Volt Power Supply might be something you want to look into. I bought the one in the video from an electronics supply store around Seattle called Vetco. You can find a similar one onamazon.com for about $80. You can also use a tattoo power supply like this one at amazon.com for about $50.

The previous power supplies will allow you to make your device hotter. This allows you too extract more active ingredients from your material. If you feel like the Underdog runs hot enough, but would like to be able to turn the temperature down, you can purchase an inline dimmer from amazon.com for about $8. These will allow you to turn the temperature of your vaporizer down. If you feel like the stock power supply is running too hot this inline dimmer is the solution for you.

So the UD is calibrated to run at an "optimal" temperature at the max, whereas the E-Nano max temp will allow you to combust if you wanted. If you want to go higher than the UD max temp, will need to spend a decent amount of money. If you don't care to go higher than UD max, and just want to adjust temp lower, a cheap sub $10 solution will work.
 
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beware116 said:
I have received no information. I posed a question, "What other than the power supply makes the E-Nano worth the premium over the Underdog?" The answer I received is, "The power supply."
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correct me if i'm wrong but there is no power supply and that's what everyone has been trying to tell you

no power supply. just 120v @ 60hz cranked down to however many volts, and that power is going straight to the heater.
 
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I have a HI, a UD, multiple VVPS's and an e-nano.

The nano is the only one I use with any frequency. I usually prefer larger clouds and the nano's 110v deliver's that quicker and better for me without possibly damaging a resistor. I've had difficulties getting the UD and HI to perform consistently at the higher temps (with VVPS's) that the nano provides by design. YMMV depending on use.

I wouldn't say one is 'better' than the others, but to each their own depending on their needs and use habits. There are benefits and disadvantages to both types of designs.

That's my opinion on the matter.
 
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steama said:
Since it is so pointless? . . . .
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So "Nothing" is the actual answer. Comparing products is not pointless and is essential to anyone trying to make an informed decision.

Whether or not there is a wall-wart has exactly ZERO bearing on the discussion I'm trying to have. I want to know if there is anything ELSE a person comparing the two should know.

I have said "other" and "else" more times in these replies than any other word, yet there is now an entire page of people prattling on about the power. That's shameful.

EDIT: Thank you, Hoops. How does a UD/HI perform with a VVPS? The UD is designed to run at a lower temp, but a VVPS will allow you to hit temps approximately equivalent to the Nano.
 
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What is confusing? I could not possibly express my question any more simply.

What advantages does the E-Nano have over an Underdog (or Heat Island) to justify it's premium other than the thing that plugs into it? Materials, design of the unit itself, vapor path, taste, performance, heat-up, heat retention, literally anything other than the power cable (which is entirely reproducible if you can stomach an extra 3 cubic inches for a wallwart).
 
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steama said:
No fanboyism here. Just do not know what he is trying to figure out. Why don't you answer his questions?
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I don't know, when you ignore a person's question for an entire page and proceed to prattle on about the opposite of what they were asking in defense of your daily driver you certainly do come off as a fanboy.
 
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steama said:
As you know each device has their own separate thread where you can find that info out for your self in-depth.

Why get made at those of us that are trying to help you.
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Because you clearly are not trying to help me. You are trying to sway my opinion of something that is not at all related to my question, preference, nor needs.

If you had read any of the 600+ pages on these two vapes (I've read 90% of them), you would find next to nothing to differentiate them from each other beyond the power cable. That is why I'm posing an extremely valid question for people with experience using both.

"These are ____, PRETTY FUCKING SIMPLE."

That's one of the most rude and unintelligent things I've read on this forum yet.

"It's just a car, pretty fucking simple."
 
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UD advantages over enano
- not as pricey (better deals)
- DC
- ability to use in cars
- ability to use battery pack
- ???

enano advantages over UD
- better heating element
- shorter heat-up time
- ???
 
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Because you clearly are not trying to help me. You are trying to sway my opinion of something that is not at all related to my question, preference, nor needs.

If you had read any of the 600+ pages on these two vapes (I've read 90% of them), you would find next to nothing to differentiate them from each other beyond the power cable. That is why I'm posing an extremely valid question for people with experience using both.

"These are ____, PRETTY FUCKING SIMPLE."

That's one of the most rude and unintelligent things I've read on this forum yet.

"It's just a car, pretty fucking simple."
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The main difference between the 2 vapes is with the Enano there is no need for VVPS. It has one with the power cord so you can control the temperature that way you can enhance your vape experience. The underdog you would need to purchase a VVPS to do that. They BOTH are very efficient vapes as all log vapes are. It mainly boils down to personal preference. In my honest opinion you cannot go wrong with either one.
 
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I believe you are confusing premium and sale

If you look on UD's site you will see many of their vapes go for ~$200 USD. However, they are currently running a sale.
The fact that the price of a UD is currently below an Enano does not mean that enano is a superior product and is charging a "premium" for features, that like you said, arent there.

However, people have stated reasons for their preference, if there was a clearly superior product, both threads would not have several hundred pages of material.

Choose your vape based on your needs, if the VPS doesnt bother you, I honestly think that is a better deal right now. I chose my enano because Andy was willing to work with custom wood and I prefer its form factor. The non twig UD's look a bit big for my personal preference.

I did not mean to come across as rude, however I feel that you were berating us for failing to point out differences that dont exist.

The main difference IMO between AC and DC log vapes is that DC log vapes can be run on a battery pretty easily while AC cannot
 
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