DMT Vaporization

That type of recipe will not give a very pure product. It's better to do the extraction in acid first, then basify, and THEN extract into non polar solvent. IMO, it's the easiest way to get crystals as opposed to gunk.

Plenty of people in the US have done ayahuasca. There are a handful of churches, and people come up from South America to lead sessions. And of course loads of people have made their own.

Been to lots of Shoreline shows too, way back when. I used to have a shortcut through the mountains all the way back home to Boulder Creek, with only one tiny bit of highway driving. Those were the days....

Snake Plissken said:

......That said, maybe I'm wrong and a natural extraction is more prevalent nowadays.........ALL of the dmt I have ever done is a pure white or clear crystalline powder. If you are seeing colors or impurities, chances are better that it is a natural extraction.

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IME Extractions have been most common these days.. I have seen extractions turn out white like you described... I personally don't care for the white or orange stuff as much as the white/light yellow stuff.

Snake Plissken said:

....Just because my opinion is different than yours, doesn't mean that it is based on naiveté or some snippet I read somewhere.

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No Doubt.

From what people are saying, it does sound like a 'natural' extraction is much more commonplace nowadays. While I was aware of the 'religous' groups being able to make/use, I wasn't aware that it was so easy for anyone to access these groups - maybe it's just the part of the country I'm in. Our indigenous are more peyote based.

I absolutely don't want to discredit another's 'spiritual' experience just because it is not my own.

It has been a while since I have done any reading on extractions but from my understanding DMT has always been extracted. In your brew the dmt would be extracted from the plant to your brew,

The pharmaceutical version of dmt that I know of is called pharmahuasca. This still contains extracted DMT it is your MAOI that comes in a pharmaceutical form not your DMT. The only way I am aware of getting some DMT right now would be to make an extraction from a plant containing DMT.(I dont know what entails in the synthesis? of DMT anyone care to share a basic run down of the process?)

I have never seen synthesized DMT in Australia and can safely say I wouldn't know the difference to save my life. But I dont know why you would still synthesize your DMT knowing a couple of people who extract there own from my understanding, there is more of a chance of receiving a less pure product when taking this route and that is probably why it isnt too popular anymore at least around here.

Extractions done right and rewashed for purity come out crystal clear forming massive rocks.

In Australia people don't smoke crystal/freebase we make a smokable mix called "Changa"

This is a smokable version of Ayahuasca it contains a MAOI(Usually caapi) binded with DMT to make a really special experience.

highervibration said:

It has been a while since I have done any reading on extractions but from my understanding DMT has always been extracted. In your brew the dmt would be extracted from the plant to your brew,

The pharmaceutical version of dmt that I know of is called pharmahuasca. This still contains extracted DMT it is your MAOI that comes in a pharmaceutical form not your DMT. The only way I am aware of getting some DMT right now would be to make an extraction from a plant containing DMT.(I dont know what entails in the synthesis? of DMT anyone care to share a basic run down of the process?)

I have never seen synthesized DMT in Australia and can safely say I wouldn't know the difference to save my life. But I dont know why you would still synthesize your DMT knowing a couple of people who extract there own from my understanding, there is more of a chance of receiving a less pure product when taking this route and that is probably why it isnt too popular anymore at least around here.

Extractions done right and rewashed for purity come out crystal clear forming massive rocks.

In Australia people don't smoke crystal/freebase we make a smokable mix called "Changa"

This is a smokable version of Ayahuasca it contains a MAOI(Usually caapi) binded with DMT to make a really special experience.

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how do you feel about the changa? I'm a little curious about.. How do you like it? I assume it is much more mellow, and has a little more duration??
I have heard that taking an MAOI 30 mins before hitting some NN- is an interesting experience too.. same w/ mushrooms and MAOI's.. I have never really messed w/ MAOI's before.. I know some one that has done Pharmahuasca at least a couple times.. Once to kick intense (unrelated) withdraws, w/ great success.. Probably ~.3 dose of NN- in there IIRC, w/ the Syrian Rue 30 mins before.

Buildozer said:

how do you feel about the changa? I'm a little curious about.. How do you like it? I assume it is much more mellow, and has a little more duration??
I have heard that taking an MAOI 30 mins before hitting some NN- is an interesting experience too.. same w/ mushrooms and MAOI's.. I have never really messed w/ MAOI's before.. I know some one that has done Pharmahuasca at least a couple times.. Once to kick intense (unrelated) withdraws, w/ great success.. Probably ~.3 dose of NN- in there IIRC, w/ the Syrian Rue 30 mins before.

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I love changa It is really different experience IMO to me it feels closer to aya although I have not yet experienced aya given location it is a little harder to source but not too hard it is a really different experience compared to crystal visually and body wise, if you are seeking that extra dimension definitely try the changa when you next have a chance. IME if you have had someone make you changa from some jungle spice it gives you that full experience that I feel pure dmt just doesn't provide - different experience. But visually and in a "spiritual" sense it has been most intense with my experiences with changa.

Definitely has more duration which can somewhat add to the intensity of the trip for me. I have found with crystal DMT it could be anywhere from 3 minutes - 10 and with changa 8 - 20 mins. I have had friends sit there for 30 mins + tripping before. That certainly didn't say it was unpleasant at the end of it


Now for mellow I dont know it is weird. The trip itself I wouldn't say it is more mellow but it can be. The trip once your are fully in it is much more intense. you really feel it. But the way you get there is much more mellow with changa you can sit there and smoke it over a couple of cones/bowls on top of your weed in a water pipe or by itself for longer before tripping. You have a little mix and kind of work yourself there and by a few nice bong hits you'll be there. Or you can take a huge rip of chang and go straight there. But one thing I highly recommend for mellowness. Is rolling up a joint with a little chang sprinkled over the top of your herbs. Nothing more mellow. You can get really light mellow body highs with no intense visuals. But very very subtle closed eyed visuals really really mellow.

I am in the same boat, never messed with oral MAOIs I would like to try it with mushrooms though! From what I have read that sounds really interesting. That is really cool about your friend too! I have read stories and even a friend has told me how he treated his buddy with pharma and "cured" their addiction. Lots of interesting stuff out there and even more research yet to be done. One day I would like to try oral MAOI's maybe pharma but I think next on my list would be ayahuasca when I am ready.

Synthesized DMT was the rule until maybe the mid to late 90's or so. I don't think people had as much access to DMT containing plants, and m. Hostilis was not well known.
TIHKAL of course has the synthesis of n,n and any other variants.

zymos said:

Synthesized DMT was the rule until maybe the mid to late 90's or so. I don't think people had as much access to DMT containing plants, and m. Hostilis was not well known.
TIHKAL of course has the synthesis of n,n and any other variants.

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Interesting, I have had TiHKAL mentioned before never had a chance to read, I see there is a PDF available online has a ton of info there too The little trip report in there of someone describing the effects at different dosages its pretty fascinating

OK I'm sold on the Changa.. You make it sound much more interesting than I have ever heard it sound.. If I ever get the opportunity I will make sure to not let it pass me by..

Yeah the MAOI + Mushrooms sounds interesting.. I would like to try that some day too.

It's pretty amazing about the Pharmahuasca and the withdraws.. Not unlike the way Ibogane is used.. I don't know much about Ibogane, but I trust DMT.

Thanks for the informative post, I appreciate it.

^^Yeah check out TIHKAL, there is PIHKAL too... I went through them a few years back.. Pretty interesting indeed.. A lot of testing and experimenting going on.

* On bit of a side note.. There was once a time where I was considering tyring to get a Colorado River Toad as a pet.. I don't know how I feel about harvesting it nowadays.. But has anyone had experience w/ vaping toad venom?

Buildozer said:

It's pretty amazing about the Pharmahuasca and the withdraws.. Not unlike the way Ibogane is used.. I don't know much about Ibogane, but I trust DMT.

^^Yeah check out TIHKAL, there is PIHKAL too... I went through them a few years back.. Pretty interesting indeed.. A lot of testing and experimenting going on.

* On bit of a side note.. There was once a time where I was considering tyring to get a Colorado River Toad as a pet.. I don't know how I feel about harvesting it nowadays.. But has anyone had experience w/ vaping toad venom?

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No problem at all it is my pleasure It sounds to me as if you will have a very spiritual, yet enjoyable experience. I will be sure to check out phikal as well. Already having a quick scan through tihkal can tell I will be coming back to this a bit. Been looking for new reads.

Ibogane sounds a little scary to me It is really interesting though the effect it has on addiction and withdraws I don't know a whole lot about it but seen a few videos and read very little in some cases it looked like a really life changing experience.

AND that is insane! Not in a bad way. I know nothing about these creatures. Are they legal to own/possess. And are they dangerous?

Yeah, I typically have very spiritual/enjoyable experiences w/ psychedelics..
About the Toad.. I don't recall the law.. I want to say that they are legal to own, but definitely not legal to harvest.. I do not believe they are dangerous.. but I recall reading something about the venom being poisonous orally.. so it should only be smoked, I think.. Yeah it's a trip..
I was into psychedelics for quite a while.. It has been probably a couple years since I have been frequently tripping.. but back then I remember always wanting to end up w/ one of those toads as a pet.. From what I remember of what I have read in the past, the CRT venom gives a different, type of trip.. I think it has 5-meo-dmt and 5-ho-dmt in it?? Don't know much about it.. The info is out there though.

I remember hearing that Ibogane could be deadly if the dosage is a little wrong .. Just like anything else I guess.. For some reason, I would Imagine Ibogane to be more sketchy and Datura like in nature??.. Never messed w/ Datura either, and I never will!

zymos said:

Synthesized DMT was the rule until maybe the mid to late 90's or so. I don't think people had as much access to DMT containing plants, and m. Hostilis was not well known.
TIHKAL of course has the synthesis of n,n and any other variants.

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Yeah, I was just showing my age thinking this was still the case.

So believe it or not, I just accidentally watched a dmt flick. It was a horror/thriller about government testing of dmt on people. I'm familiar w/ mkultra (the cia program on mind control), but must have forgot about their use of dmt on test subjects (willing and unwilling). This is supposed to be based on fact, but the orgs existence and their evil nature is about as far as I think that goes. Figured some might enjoy the watch - but don't expect a lot of spiritual revelation. It's called The Banshee Chapter (2013). I don't know if it's out on normal channels yet, I watched it on a streaming site.

Snake Plissken said:

Yeah, I was just showing my age thinking this was still the case.

So believe it or not, I just accidentally watched a dmt flick. It was a horror/thriller about government testing of dmt on people. I'm familiar w/ mkultra (the cia program on mind control), but must have forgot about their use of dmt on test subjects (willing and unwilling). This is supposed to be based on fact, but the orgs existence and their evil nature is about as far as I think that goes. Figured some might enjoy the watch - but don't expect a lot of spiritual revelation. It's called The Banshee Chapter (2013). I don't know if it's out on normal channels yet, I watched it on a streaming site.

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Sounds interesting.. I'll have to give it a watch..

I have heard about this guy using IV DMT to torture some one..
It was in this episode of VICE about Krystle Cole(NeuroSoup), and her Ex-boyfriend.. It's quite a story...

Buildozer said:

so it should only be smoked, I think.. Yeah it's a trip..
I was into psychedelics for quite a while.. It has been probably a couple years since I have been frequently tripping.. but back then I remember always wanting to end up w/ one of those toads as a pet.. From what I remember of what I have read in the past, the CRT venom gives a different, type of trip.. I think it has 5-meo-dmt and 5-ho-dmt in it?? Don't know much about it.. The info is out there though.

I remember hearing that Ibogane could be deadly if the dosage is a little wrong .. Just like anything else I guess.. For some reason, I would Imagine Ibogane to be more sketchy and Datura like in nature??.. Never messed w/ Datura either, and I never will!

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That is very interesting. I love finding out new things more to research! Although I am very much in the same boat I am not a very frequent traveler anymore I do like to journey every now and then which hasn't been for at least a year or 2. These days I care for the plants that taught me so much I've got a little cactus garden and mushroom patch as well as a few rue plants coming back to life which is great to see, So I can definitely see they want to have a pet such as that And yeah I think they are both 2 substances I never will try or have the interest in trying. At least not to my knowledge at this time.

Snake Plissken said:

Yeah, I was just showing my age thinking this was still the case.

So believe it or not, I just accidentally watched a dmt flick. It was a horror/thriller about government testing of dmt on people. I'm familiar w/ mkultra (the cia program on mind control), but must have forgot about their use of dmt on test subjects (willing and unwilling). This is supposed to be based on fact, but the orgs existence and their evil nature is about as far as I think that goes. Figured some might enjoy the watch - but don't expect a lot of spiritual revelation. It's called The Banshee Chapter (2013). I don't know if it's out on normal channels yet, I watched it on a streaming site.

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Thanks for the share! Never heard/read of organizations using DMT on subjects unwillingly doesn't surprise me of course should be interesting.

I have seen the spirit molecule and other documentaries relating to ayahuasca or DMT which all with test subjects and testimonials but don't think I recall ever seeing any DMT being consumed against someones on will.

Buildozer said:

I have heard about this guy using IV DMT to torture some one..
It was in this episode of VICE about Krystle Cole(NeuroSoup), and her Ex-boyfriend.. It's quite a story...

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Thanks for sharing though should be interesting but.. some people......

EDIT: Just watched that episode what a story. Truly F'd up to do those things though. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a copy of that book.

There's a reason that it's called "toad VENOM" and not "toad nectar" or something. Never tried it myself, but I've smoked Yopo a couple of times, which also contains bufotenin, and it felt pretty nasty.

zymos said:

There's a reason that it's called "toad VENOM" and not "toad nectar" or something. Never tried it myself, but I've smoked Yopo a couple of times, which also contains bufotenin, and it felt pretty nasty.

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Yopo was the first way I had always planned to try D, way back.. The traditional way though, not smoked... I wasn't looking forward to the nausea, but it seemed to be the cheapest/easiest way to experience it... until I found some NN-.. I'm not sure if I have heard of Yopo being smoked before.. it sounds vaguely familiar though.. I'm kind of glad I never got around to trying it.

I'm curious to try using a VXNail and the EVO to vaporize some DMT.

Has anyone had success using the EVO, and if so, what temp did you use? I was thinking maybe something around 9am?

@Seek Maybe I missed it, but did you ever get to try DMT in your EVO? I read you had wanted to, but I might have missed it if you had success.

Got an e-cig and PEG400?

Have some EJMix, so basically yes.

I think I'd rather use the EVO if it works though, I doubt it would taste better in an ecig mod. Are you able to get a strong enough hit in one hit with the ecig? I had never even considered that direction with it, especially with an EVO at my disposal.

Have you had personal success with this method, and recommend it?

I haven't tried EVO, but I'm sure it would work as well as the old Cloud - which worked great.
I assume the dial would be probably somewhere between 9-12 oclock.
Mix carefuly weighted D with some lightly vaped ABV or other inactive herb (or MAOI herb if you have some)...
...load that into an ELB, get ready for the ride (or at least try lol) and blast off.

The original Cloud vaped D pretty well, all extracted in two hits, or even only one if you can hit it really good.
Too bad it's dead now and if my EVO doesn' die soon, maybe I'll have some reports soon.
Anyway, if the EVo is used, it will collect that strong sweet smell, so clean it afterwards.
Wiping the bamboo, iso-soaking the used ELB and any-method for your glass is enough to get rid of the smell.

Maybe the VapeXhale could be really awesome way to vape it pure (the dial should probably be REALLY low in this case). But I don't have any of these nails so someone else has to test this. 50$+continental shipping+customs is way to much for me for just two test tubes with a slit...

I've never tried, but I've heard heard e-cigs work, just not really as one-hitters like GVG, Cloud, EQ, LSV and other convection vapes. I also think they must taste horrible because of the tiny conduction element giving off all these vapors. E-cig is probably great for beginners who want to test the water slowly and safely without totally blasting off of one hit. And when you want to blast off, you have to take several hits quickly.

Seek said:

I haven't tried EVO, but I'm sure it would work as well as the old Cloud - which worked great.
I assume the dial would be probably somewhere between 9-12 oclock.
Mix carefuly weighted D with some lightly vaped ABV or other inactive herb (or MAOI herb if you have some)...
...load that into an ELB, get ready for the ride (or at least try lol) and blast off.

The original Cloud vaped D pretty well, all extracted in two hits, or even only one if you can hit it really good.
Too bad it's dead now and if my EVO doesn' die soon, maybe I'll have some reports soon.
Anyway, if the EVo is used, it will collect that strong sweet smell, so clean it afterwards.
Wiping the bamboo, iso-soaking the used ELB and any-method for your glass is enough to get rid of the smell.

Maybe the VapeXhale could be really awesome way to vape it pure (the dial should probably be REALLY low in this case). But I don't have any of these nails so someone else has to test this. 50$+continental shipping+customs is way to much for me for just two test tubes with a slit...

I've never tried, but I've heard heard e-cigs work, just not really as one-hitters like GVG, Cloud, EQ, LSV and other convection vapes. I also think they must taste horrible because of the tiny conduction element giving off all these vapors. E-cig is probably great for beginners who want to test the water slowly and safely without totally blasting off of one hit. And when you want to blast off, you have to take several hits quickly.

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Thanks for the report Seek!

I think I'll try some DMT in the VXNail, it sounds like it should be ideal for it then. Probably will try with the temp at 9am or below, and just experiment with it.

I hope the VXNail works well, seems like a very elegant way to ingest DMT.

i need to try this one day

Yeah nowadays I consume all my elf spice in a vapor buddy (sort of knock off vapor genie) on a bed of ash with a torch lighter and it is sooo much better than smoking it. I could only smoke like 2 big ass hits in a night without my chest feeling like death whereas vaping it can do it many times in a day.
Of course I do need to be in a particular mindset. . .
DMT is the shit though, every time I do it I spend a few days convinced that all other drugs are shit and don't come close to its awesome power. Then I come to my senses.

Buildozer said:

Sounds interesting.. I'll have to give it a watch..

I have heard about this guy using IV DMT to torture some one..
It was in this episode of VICE about Krystle Cole(NeuroSoup), and her Ex-boyfriend.. It's quite a story...

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I saw that a while back... I thought she was sexy, but I didn't appreciate the interviewers approach to her! He was obsessive, used a lot of creepy eyeball communication and was generally 'into' her way too much I had a good laugh about the documentaries comedic value whenever that guy is the host!

Hennessy1414 said:

what...what is this...ACK i dont even want this here... Dmsters disgracing my bud like that would be a shame...vaporizer are made so you can enjoy your weed...not taste that cat piss in your mouth...and watching a room full of kids trip that shit from a tweek pipe... dont get me started. that was the gross of the gnar for me to watch and then all these kids started intensely tripping face...dude so lame! shit looked more hard than LSD or musrooms(even the short lived salvia) so if you really want to go all out trip DMT

fuck DMT...not telling you not to do it, but does it get any more nasty than meth :/ straight man made chemicals rushing into your head

and to answer your question...SMOKE IT OUT OF A FUCKING TWEEK PIPE(dont ruin a good investment)

just my of course

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Man made chemicals? Seriously? Ugh...

DMT is at all times in your life present in your body. ALWAYS.

It is only activated when you sleep or die. So dreaming and have your life flashing by with death, it is all just trippin' balls.

Think before you speak.