Discontinued Thermovape Luna

jdee said:

How about releasing the thread specifications so a machinist can make some adapters, the ones we were promised ages ago that never materialized. I would love to use my dry herb cart on my variable voltage box mods.

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A couple of quibbles. First off the thread is not a secret, you've evidently not done your homework. It's 3/8-24 the standard SAE fine thread for the size. This 'release' was a couple years ago (with Cera), you just missed it.

And nobody ever promised them anywhere. From the time I made my first ones and suggested them to TV (even gave 'em a couple to try) they have said they planned to make them after they got Luna sorted out......which never happened. No promise, just a statement of a plan that didn't get finished. IMO they are not tardy with that at all.

And any machinist competent enough to make the threaded part would not be fooled by the size, in fact he'd assume it I think. FWIW your real fit problem is on the 510 end, or so I found. They are not all alike.....which you'll discover I think. Which is why I used cut down adapters.

BTW, watch the center pin. That, not the threads, is the fiddly part.

Nothing has ever prevented you from doing this wonderful task I think, aside from research? Only now it doesn't seem like such a good idea since the world's supply of Cera carts is limited and getting smaller as they die off?

Good luck with it.

OF

OF said:

Nothing has ever prevented you from doing this wonderful task I think, aside from research? Only now it doesn't seem like such a good idea since the world's supply of Cera carts is limited and getting smaller as they die off?

Good luck with it.

OF

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Speaking of Cera carts, does anyone know of any retailers or wholesalers who may have carts left? I know they only distributed Titanium Ceras but i figure there must be some out in the world somewhere?????

Yea, I have a friend that owns tobacco leaf in Tallahassee, I believe he still has a ti cera eo kit.

Soflo said:

Yea, I have a friend that owns tobacco leaf in Tallahassee, I believe he still has a ti cera eo kit.

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What's your plan? Auction off contact information?

OF

Na, he initially bought 5 ti kits, sold two, I kept one, he kept one. Now he's got one left and Is really concerned, seeing that the lifetime warranty was a big selling point.

Thank you for the info.
I must look like a real idiot to everyone here on the boards. I just can't get over the whole TET thing and frankly i have not been able to replicate the experience i get with my CERA anywhere else. I have already bought enough replacement parts to keep me going for the next 5-10 years! or in the event of an apocalypse whichever comes first.
Either way, I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who has been active in the TET threads the last few years. I have learned a lot about vaporizing in general and I hope we continue to be a part of the cutting edge market we love so much!

TET was the first company that brought me to vaporizing oils, I just read the news on their website and I'm utterly heartbroken. Who will step up to the plate now?
I've given my Cera an overdue break but now I don't know if another product will ever compare.
Man am I feeling unbalanced.

Does anyone have any light at the end of this tunnel??

OF said:

A couple of quibbles. First off the thread is not a secret, you've evidently not done your homework. It's 3/8-24 the standard SAE fine thread for the size. This 'release' was a couple years ago (with Cera), you just missed it.

And nobody ever promised them anywhere. From the time I made my first ones and suggested them to TV (even gave 'em a couple to try) they have said they planned to make them after they got Luna sorted out......which never happened. No promise, just a statement of a plan that didn't get finished. IMO they are not tardy with that at all.

And any machinist competent enough to make the threaded part would not be fooled by the size, in fact he'd assume it I think. FWIW your real fit problem is on the 510 end, or so I found. They are not all alike.....which you'll discover I think. Which is why I used cut down adapters.

BTW, watch the center pin. That, not the threads, is the fiddly part.

Nothing has ever prevented you from doing this wonderful task I think, aside from research? Only now it doesn't seem like such a good idea since the world's supply of Cera carts is limited and getting smaller as they die off?

Good luck with it.

OF

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Of , what's is your primary vape for wax? If a tet product what after that?

VapoRoor said:

TET was the first company that brought me to vaporizing oils, I just read the news on their website and I'm utterly heartbroken. Who will step up to the plate now?
I've given my Cera an overdue break but now I don't know if another product will ever compare.
Man am I feeling unbalanced.

Does anyone have any light at the end of this tunnel??

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Maybe a persei and a hurcules sr-47

VapoRoor said:

TET was the first company that brought me to vaporizing oils, I just read the news on their website and I'm utterly heartbroken. Who will step up to the plate now?
I've given my Cera an overdue break but now I don't know if another product will ever compare.
Man am I feeling unbalanced.

Does anyone have any light at the end of this tunnel??

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All you need is a Persei, batteries (AW recommended), and a Hercules and you're set. Just make it easy for yourself by purchasing directly from the company's website. Otherwise, you aren't guaranteed the most recent and up to date parts or a warranty. The Persei may seem confusing with a million different attachments, but if you're looking for something strictly to replace the role of your Cera EO/Luna, it's as simple as buying a Persei, a set or two of AW 18350 3.7v batteries, and a Hercules SR-74. That's all you need. To be on the safe side, I would recommend getting a separate charger, but other than that, you're good to go with the three items mentioned. There are plenty of people that will help you out in getting past the learning curve. The Herc vapes anything you throw at it: wax, shatter, budder, co2, keef, water hash, brick hash, and even a combination of herb and oil at the same time. Also, there are plenty of people that will help you out in getting over the learning curve. Good luck.

kindbeats said:

All you need is a Persei, batteries (AW recommended), and a Hercules and you're set.

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Excellent news! So they've fixed all the problems with the Hercules then? Frankly I gave up on following the show there a while back. Hercules seemed like an never ending set of problems what with leaks, failures to feed, parts melting, other parts falling apart, connections that didn't happen reliably, broken contact parts and so on. I have one of the first and some upgrade parts that I never actually tried because the problems and upgrades were coming faster than I could keep up with.

It seemed to be an excellent performer at times, but sure got a lot of problem reports. Very often from the same fellows raving about it a few pages back. Made my head swim.

So that's all fixed now?

If so, it sounds like it's time to think about digging all the parts out giving it a try.

Thanks for the info.

OF

OF said:

Excellent news! So they've fixed all the problems with the Hercules then? Frankly I gave up on following the show there a while back. Hercules seemed like an never ending set of problems what with leaks, failures to feed, parts melting, other parts falling apart, connections that didn't happen reliably, broken contact parts and so on. I have one of the first and some upgrade parts that I never actually tried because the problems and upgrades were coming faster than I could keep up with.

It seemed to be an excellent performer at times, but sure got a lot of problem reports. Very often from the same fellows raving about it a few pages back. Made my head swim.

So that's all fixed now?

If so, it sounds like it's time to think about digging all the parts out giving it a try.

Thanks for the info.

OF

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I definitely remember (and experienced several of) those problems as well, and man did they suck. lol Any contact issues have been able to be fixed with a quick tightening of a screw in the bottom piece. They revised the SR-71 and now offer the SR-74 which is a lot more fool proof for setup, as well as changed the material of the oil coils. The coils are now smaller and made of grade 2 TI. The leaking is almost always due to riding the button for too long and then not giving it a few cool down draws. Anything that does leak falls right into a reclaim chamber so nothing is ever really lost and can be easily recovered. I used to get a ton of oil leaking into my chamber in the beginning, but not so much since perfecting my technique. The only drawback to the SR-74 is that it isn't 100 percent user serviceable like the SR-71 is. Personally, I never made the switch to the 74 as I love the power that the 71 provides along with the quick fix capability.

I definitely find it hard to keep up with all of their changes at times, but they're usually because improvements are being made after user feedback. I do agree that it sometimes seems as if the products are rushed out without proper beta testing, but that seems to have changed now by enlisting outsider beta testers (many of them in these forums) for their future designs. Definitely recommend you check out either of the Hercs @OF if possible. Worst comes to worst, it doesn't work out for you but if it does, you will have yourself a new cart that can deliver the taste and volume (I know you're not personally a cloud chaser) that all of the Cera/Luna EO carts users love/loved so much. Go for it in the name of science!

OF said:

Excellent news! So they've fixed all the problems with the Hercules then? Frankly I gave up on following the show there a while back. Hercules seemed like an never ending set of problems what with leaks, failures to feed, parts melting, other parts falling apart, connections that didn't happen reliably, broken contact parts and so on. I have one of the first and some upgrade parts that I never actually tried because the problems and upgrades were coming faster than I could keep up with.

It seemed to be an excellent performer at times, but sure got a lot of problem reports. Very often from the same fellows raving about it a few pages back. Made my head swim.

So that's all fixed now?

If so, it sounds like it's time to think about digging all the parts out giving it a try.

Thanks for the info.

OF

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After a few generations of Hercs I think it's a complete product now! It's really a great vaporizer and I think it's a good alternative to the Cera/Luna EO

kindbeats said:

I definitely remember (and experienced several of) those problems as well, and man did they suck. Personally, I never made the switch to the 74 as I love the power that the 71 provides along with the quick fix capability.

I definitely find it hard to keep up with all of their changes at times, but they're usually because improvements are being made after user feedback. I do agree that it sometimes seems as if the products are rushed out without proper beta testing, but that seems to have changed now by enlisting outsider beta testers (many of them in these forums) for their future designs.

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masaki said:

After a few generations of Hercs I think it's a complete product now! It's really a great vaporizer and I think it's a good alternative to the Cera/Luna EO

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Thanks guys, good to hear there are more success stories than problems now. It just got too negative and depressing there so I moved on until it got sorted out. If claims and expectations have matched experience it might be time to get caught up again and my unit upgraded to be reliable. There is a need for an alternative for Cera for sure which will only become worse as those we now enjoy die off from excessive love.

I too got the feeling that the product was rushed to market way too fast, and patch upon patch upon patch thrown on. That wasn't always the way, perhaps you'll recall several of us Beta Testing the original "8" (which failed....). Good to hear that's over.

Hey, in that vein did the Iris (VV Persei) ever get fixed, I've got a lame one of those too. Blew up 3 carts by going to full blast unexpectedly.....tough on 2.4 Ohmers......

Thanks.

OF

OF said:

Thanks guys, good to hear there are more success stories than problems now. It just got too negative and depressing there so I moved on until it got sorted out. If claims and expectations have matched experience it might be time to get caught up again and my unit upgraded to be reliable. There is a need for an alternative for Cera for sure which will only become worse as those we now enjoy die off from excessive love.

I too got the feeling that the product was rushed to market way too fast, and patch upon patch upon patch thrown on. That wasn't always the way, perhaps you'll recall several of us Beta Testing the original "8" (which failed....). Good to hear that's over.

Hey, in that vein did the Iris (VV Persei) ever get fixed, I've got a lame one of those too. Blew up 3 carts by going to full blast unexpectedly.....tough on 2.4 Ohmers......

Thanks.

OF

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Depending on which version and upgrade you had you might want to try contacting their support and seeing what the best route to getting the current version Hercules SR-74 would be. The old Hercules that used oil tanks I don't think can be upgraded to the SR series, but I was not using the Herc back in those days so don't take my word, just suggest going to UP Tech to see if they can help at all.

Was the 8 you demoed the herb vaporizer?

The Iris v2 hasn't been released, although some pictures surfaced a few months ago, IIRC. At least one FC'er has beta tested it; no news on a release, I still would guess distant future.

I'm under the impression that the V4 Persei top and the mechanical 8 vaporizer were priorities and the Iris is a back burner project. But that's just a guess. Gary has teased about something called the Triton that might be of more interest to Cera and Luna users than the Hercules. That one I haven't seen yet.

SamuraiSam said:

Was the 8 you demoed the herb vaporizer?

The Iris v2 hasn't been released, although some pictures surfaced a few months ago, IIRC. At least one FC'er has beta tested it; no news on a release, I still would guess distant future.

I'm under the impression that the V4 Persei top and the mechanical 8 vaporizer were priorities and the Iris is a back burner project. But that's just a guess. Gary has teased about something called the Triton that might be of more interest to Cera and Luna users than the Hercules. That one I haven't seen yet.

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Yup, that was it. Fun idea, but it needed some work.

Yeah, that sure sounds like G all right. Too bad about Iris, it's been a long time. IIRC 100 of us are waiting on replacements? Sort of like waiting on Hercules. Not the sort of thing a guy wants to be repeating. Perhaps at least part of that wait is over, time to see about getting my Hercules working.

Another option in a marketplace that sadly just got a lot smaller. One of those 'don't miss the water until the well runs dry' things. Not long ago, Hercules wasn't so important. Good to know is on track.

Hey, don't I recall the Hercules blowing up Persei tops?

Thanks.

OF

OF said:

Yup, that was it. Fun idea, but it needed some work.

Yeah, that sure sounds like G all right. Too bad about Iris, it's been a long time. IIRC 100 of us are waiting on replacements? Sort of like waiting on Hercules. Not the sort of thing a guy wants to be repeating. Perhaps at least part of that wait is over, time to see about getting my Hercules working.

Another option in a marketplace that sadly just got a lot smaller. One of those 'don't miss the water until the well runs dry' things. Not long ago, Hercules wasn't so important. Good to know is on track.

Hey, don't I recall the Hercules blowing up Persei tops?

Thanks.

OF

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Were v2 irises part of buying the original Iris? If so I wish even harder I hadn't missed that one.

I think the Herc has been working fine for at least 2 generations now. I have had the latest -74 for about 9 months and it's been super solid. I had to replace one little plastic piece because I lost it, not due to damage; UP tech sent me a free one along with a small order. I went and tracked down an older version, the -71, as it was higher powered, (It's slightly harder/more critical to assemble correctly and less forgiving of mistakes/misuse, and required button modulation to prevent cooking the oil as it was super powerful) The -74 at this point isn't hard to use and many of the things that required precision in assembly on the -71 have been replaced by spring-loaded pins, making maintenance a little simpler. Usage is easier, too; I usually just hold the button continuously then let off about 2/3 through my draw. but there are a few small pieces, and the flip side to being a user-serviceable cart is the eventual assembly/disassembly & cleaning inherent in this type of device, and the potential for user error in assembly or usage. The good news is, with proper use you don't have to clean it very often at all. It's a load and use device for me, I started out cleaning it every few weeks but I seem to go about a month between major maintenance. Major is all of 30 min to an hour depending on how I'm feeling

You are correct about the original V1 persei tops not being too Herc friendly. The original Persei V1 tops were designed before the Hercules- A correctly assembled Hercules would work fine, but one that was mis-assembled could have a short, and if you pushed the button with a shorted circuit it would fry the top. You can check the resistance after assembling with any DVOM or up tech sells a circuit tester, and The V2 and current V3 tops have a short circuit detect and will flash if it detects a short and not let you apply power.

If I were to venture a guess, and again this was before my time so my timeline could be a little off, I think the Iris top was really designed to run the SR-71 because reducing the power is very useful due to the low resistance heating rod and subsequent high power output. Since I have no Iris I use my -71 exclusively with the Core variable voltage power supply, to dial down the power. With the SR-74 the resistance of the heating rod was increased, causing the power output to be lowered, and along with it, the usefulness of reducing voltage with the Iris top.

If I were to venture a second guess, I would hope that the V2 iris, someday when it comes out, will be accompanied by a lower resistance SR-74 heating rod, otherwise the only market for the Iris will be owners of a Herc model no longer being made...


I was really interested in the Thermovape cartridges and am very sad to see them go. I was actually so interested in the LL chamber in particular that I nearly picked up a Cera in the classifieds just before I decided to save for a Cloud Evo to replace my desktop I wasn't happy with (Volcano) instead of another portable to add to a collection of portables that I'm pretty happy with. If only their stuff was user serviceable I would be a lot more interested in the used Thermovape stuff that's been listed since they announced their closure. Kind of a bummer.

OF said:

Hey, don't I recall the Hercules blowing up Persei tops?

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Yes, the original tops weren't equipped to deal with the load of the Herc and would blow if the Herc was incorrectly assembled in any way. Any of the current tops should have the beefed up circuitry that handles the Herc fine.

As for the upcoming Triton that Samurai Sam mentioned, I'm pretty sure it's an all ceramic load as you go cart to be paired with the Okeanos micro bubbler. I think you may be able to use it without the bubbler as well.

SamuraiSam said:

If I were to venture a guess, and again this was before my time so my timeline could be a little off, I think the Iris top was really designed to run the SR-71 because reducing the power is very useful due to the low resistance heating rod and subsequent high power output.

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The Iris v1 was in the works before the Herc if I remember correctly, but it ended up being a godsend (minus that pesky blast at full power when shutting off the unit thing) for those who were looking to adjust the voltage on their Hercs. I think G said something about the v2 being close to finished.

OF said:

Yup, that was it. Fun idea, but it needed some work.

Yeah, that sure sounds like G all right. Too bad about Iris, it's been a long time. IIRC 100 of us are waiting on replacements? Sort of like waiting on Hercules. Not the sort of thing a guy wants to be repeating. Perhaps at least part of that wait is over, time to see about getting my Hercules working.

Another option in a marketplace that sadly just got a lot smaller. One of those 'don't miss the water until the well runs dry' things. Not long ago, Hercules wasn't so important. Good to know is on track.

Hey, don't I recall the Hercules blowing up Persei tops?

Thanks.

OF

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Honestly w9 makes some great innovations to the vaping world, I like to believe. But being ahead of the game calls for problems? Long story short don't buy the first version unless your prepared to pay for future upgrades. Eventually the product will be solid just depends how good your waiting game is..

The Persei/Sr74 to me is a complete/solid vape. The sr74 to me is better than the Eo cart.
- It has amazing flavor
- user serviceable
- Ceramic heater & Ti gr2 wire wick
- big clouds of vapor

The only drawback when compared to the EO is requiring a technique. Like a lot of vaporizers the herc requires a good draw technique to produces the best vapor.

It's true a lot of early adopters get discouraged.

And for the LL users looking for a alternative. The bender is a freaking great herb vape it's just glass which means it's delicate to drops

The bender takes a HUGE amount of herb though. Wonderful flavor, but not suitable for a daily driver IMO, and really not fit to be called a portable. Its a sit on the front porch and enjoy vape IMO, not a throw in your pocket and hit it on the go.

darkrom said:

The bender takes a HUGE amount of herb though. Wonderful flavor, but not suitable for a daily driver IMO, and really not fit to be called a portable. Its a sit on the front porch and enjoy vape IMO, not a throw in your pocket and hit it on the go.

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My take as well. It takes me a half a gram or more in the load to get close enough to the fire to work, and I sure don't vape that much in a session. I end up with a jar of 'partially used ABV' I use up in other vapes.

All that glass, and more so the stem off to one side, scares me every time I use it. I vape to enjoy and relax, not be paranoid of breaking a key part. The videos of 'the guys' playing fetch with the shop dog in the parking lot using a T1 kinda sold me on what a tough vape should be like. I later met the dog and handled the chewed up vape.....which fired up just fine despite the tooth marks. Call me spoiled on the point if you wish, but it's part of the features I like in herb vapes. Tough.

FWIW Solo's stem scares me in the same way. Even though I've dropped it 4 or 5 times now without mishap (past the stem coming out). I have several spares there, and they're ten bucks a pop 'all over town'......still I worry. And I bought a lovely Ed's stem.....I don't want to drop on t he concrete and scar up......

IMO Bender has it's place, but there's plenty of room for useful competitors in the class, with different feature sets.

OF

i have and use both the herc and the luna on a daily basis. if i had to give up one of them, hands down the herc is staying with me!!

I am upset too with the closing of TET and having two Cera bodies and 5 carts with no way to keep them going but does a TET thread need to be turned into an Up Tech thread?

The beauty of the EO is there is no technique, except to not get to much vapor and choke a novice and sometimes myself.

GR said:

I am upset too with the closing of TET and having two Cera bodies and 5 carts with no way to keep them going but does a TET thread need to be turned into an Up Tech thread?

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I'll personally try to stay more on topic. However a lot of us are really trying to discuss "what now" and that is the problem. As far a TET? Hope it lasts. Thats really all we have right now. Naturally some of us will look for the next best thing.

Believe me I wish there was some TET news to post but its just doom and gloom.

GR said:

I am upset too with the closing of TET and having two Cera bodies and 5 carts with no way to keep them going but does a TET thread need to be turned into an Up Tech thread?

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No. But some of us are just trying point those in the right direction. Id hate to see a former cera user downgrade to something less efficient with questionable materials..


To this day I still wish I could own a complete Cera just to have.

what do you guys think abut this atty?