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Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

darkrom

Great Scott!
Thanks for the help guys. My herc is ready to go other than the fact that I don't have my oil coil yet. Took the rod out and managed to make it not fire. Adjusted it and made it fire again. Did a nice burn off too. Herc is ready to receive oil.

I'm going to rip apart my used EO cart and see how much oil is left. I MAY try to oxidize my remaining EO cart and give that a go with the oil from the original cart. I'll probably just wait for the oil coil. The herc itself is impressive if not a slight bit daunting, but I'll get used to the assembly.

Appreciate the help from you members and the W9 team (G and @nao12000 )
 

Mr Mellish

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Well, my experience with the Persei (related a few pages back) was all too brief. I liken it to getting to kiss a beautiful woman before she smiles and disappears on you (insert your own chick flick interlude here). A brief tantalizing sample that shows a world of amazing potential but is gone as quickly as it appeared.

Several pieces of my Persei purchase arrive back at W9 today for inspection. I can't wait to hear the results and to learn how things will be resolved (I have faith it will be good, whatever it is).

In retrospect, the delay may have been a good thing. As I'm starting to come to grips with the unit, I've been looking into wax and it appears that what I'm getting is low quality (very green stuff). If it had not been for this hiccup, I might well have gummed the hell out of the Herc trying to use it with dirty wax? As it is, the crappy wax seems to work ok in the standard cart, so I guess I'll hold on to the Herc until I can get my hands on better material. I saw G mention herb and wax in the Herc but I was afraid the rod in the Herc might cause combustion, or at the very least, would introduce a much more pronounced odor to the process as compared to a unit that has only seen concentrates. Am I too paranoid?

Anyway, the PnP is doing yeoman duty while the Persei is in for examination but I just can't shake that brief glimpse of something better.
 
Mr Mellish,

coffinoff

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Your next step would be graduating to Hercules SR74 status.

Alright man, hook me up then, haha!

Been using the 7.4v Kiss cart mainly. It doesn't hold a huge amount but the hits are decent and it's basically instant vape on demand-- I'm used to at least some kind of warm up time but no need for that here.

Flavor is good on a brand new cart but I'm constantly checking the level because I get the feeling a dry hit is going to taste like smoldering ass.

I'll probably hit the EO cart some more this weekend but I kind of forgot about it as soon as I stepped up to the Kiss.
 

THC SCIENTIFIC

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Alright man, hook me up then, haha!

Been using the 7.4v Kiss cart mainly. It doesn't hold a huge amount but the hits are decent and it's basically instant vape on demand-- I'm used to at least some kind of warm up time but no need for that here.

Flavor is good on a brand new cart but I'm constantly checking the level because I get the feeling a dry hit is going to taste like smoldering ass.

I'll probably hit the EO cart some more this weekend but I kind of forgot about it as soon as I stepped up to the Kiss.

if you have the kiss 7.4v the next step is the Hercules SR74 with the 8, This is basically the best vaporizer we put out. It will work with all our current line, other peoples cartridges and with the Infinity Kit its going to just be the last vape you buy.
 

StormyPinkness

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@darkrom This is the price you pay for buying the old kit. The V1 persei top that comes with the old EO carts has no short protection as the Herc hadn't been designed/released yet when it was developed. The V2 tops and later were designed to detect a short in the Herc and flash instead of applying power. The V3 was designed with customer feedback to have an on/off function and a protruding button, IIRC this one has some issues with false detecting shorts, some issues with the center pin - long term durability. When G says not as reliable as he'd like, I think the reference there is in how they hold up after 6 months or a year of heavy use. NOT in a fragile product that fails easily. Gary has a different definition of acceptable, "perfect", or "reliable" then a lot of people, and it's why I own so much UP tech gear. G and the UP Tech crew have been hard at work on a V4 top for some time that will incorporate a much more reliable touch button, less moving parts = less breakage, and also even more featured with Hammer functionality built in.

I can understand your concern, but as far as your worry, I think it is misplaced. UP Tech has a stellar warranty program, and if/when your current products break and you send them in for warranty, you are always upgraded to the latest & greatest. If you are inside the warranty period those upgrades are FREE and if you are outside the warranty period or even intentionally damage your vape, it is less than 1/2 the cost of a new Persei to get your new Persei.

As far as oxidizing your remaining 5Ω cart. Put it on a device in 3.7v mode. Look down the tube and hold the button for a very few seconds at a time. You are hoping to see a faint glow off the coil in the very bottom of the cart. You don't need to want to get the coil glowing red-hot: The coil is designed to be submerged in oil and that keeps it cool and lasting a long time. After a few cycles of this you are ready to load your oil. This test confirms that the cart is working, step 1 before you put expensive oil into a disposable cart is checking operation. Step 2 is do a few cycles holding the button down for about 3 seconds and then off for say 10 seconds for the coil to cool down. This part is called pre-oxidizing. After this you are ready for step 3, loading

UP provides good cart fill instructions: http://www.w9tech.com/content/instructionmanual/extract_cartridge_fill_instructions.pdf

Insert the fill tool funnel into the top of the cart. Line up the 'bars' and press hard. Then take a torch (or these days I prefer a heat gun to use the bare minimum heat for maximum flavor) - pre-heat the cartridge about halfway down, and heat the funnel. This is with a very low heat and only to transfer a bit of heat into the cart so that when you load your oil, it turns liquid and runs all the way to the bottom quickly, without cooling. When you have your cart+funnel warmed up, but not hot to the touch, then drop your oil/wax/whatever into the funnel and continue using low heat to melt it in per w9's instructions. Getting the oil melted all the way to the bottom of the cart is critical for good flavor and getting the max life out of your cart. Holding the cart at a slight angle while filling will let it 'burp' while loading.

In my personal experience having loaded dozens of EO carts and if memory serves... the really old 2.4 and 1.5 ohm carts even when preoxidized had a slight metallic taste for a dozen or so hits; and that faded pretty quickly into hundreds of good tasting hits with the correct slow draw. The old 5Ω carts I never had good luck with getting to taste anywhere close to decent. The 2nd 5Ω cart I used out of my 2nd V1 persei kit (I've bought 3 V1 kits total) I preoxidized and tried using on 3.7V for 20 or so hits (just to make sure all the oil was melted in and no air pockets, etc- verrrrry long button press and sloooowww draws) and it tasted OK then when I put 7.4V to it, even with 1/2 second taps it didn't taste very good to me. Later on I purchased a newer style 5Ω cart and with the new style if I can see the coil glow, it's ready to load. The new ones taste good, but still, are harder to use by nature than the 3.7... I discovered I myself prefer the 3.7V carts and being able to hold the button for longer amts. of time instead of tapping & always being scared of burning the oil... it is my own personal preference.

With the SR-74 at 7.4v though you don't have to worry really about burning the oil or about doing something wrong and ruining the flavor, or melting the oil in with a torch or anything.

To load the Herc you assemble the unit per the instructions on w9tech.com or Gary's videos on youtube. You check that the rod gets hot, squish your ti coil and insert that, load about .3 into the chamber - make sure it gets to the bottom, use a tool or dabber to push it down if not- then use short 1-2 second pushes to introduce a little heat to the oil and get it to melt in to the coil. Then I add another say .3ish on top (it's been so long since I've actually weighed herc loads out), give it another couple taps... I have the mouthpiece inserted on the top cap so once it starts melting in I pop that on and start to give her a long, gentle draw with a few more button taps at the beginning- My idea here is to prevent any oil from leaking into the bottom chamber with a cool down draw, then I put the black PTFE shields on the Herc and it's good to go.

If you have crumble or honeycomb, that's the 'toughest' to load. I think it's because of the air pockets, maybe? I find a heat gun works wonders to get those fully-stable concentrates to start melting enough to get the air pockets out, and the oil in contact with the Ti & ceramic, at which point the heat from the herc can do its thing.

*One last thing. I would highly recommend you try out KISS carts on your Persei. There's a reason the Persei currently comes with a 7.4V kiss cart. It's an easy to use, super powerful little coil that tastes good and makes some thick vapor!

Nice, this post came at the perfect time for me, just ordered a 2.4 eo cart with some other stuff because I'm apparently buying and trying every flippin' thing this company makes now. Going to see what it's like taking that around with me before trying it with the herc. Also wasn't doing any cooldown hits while loading the herc, probably why I got a couple globs in the reclaim.

If you're having trouble ask questions and stick with it, herc is worth it.
 

THC SCIENTIFIC

To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
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I need some vaporizer porn.. @THC SCIENTIFIC got anything for me?
Some pics :brow:
Im loving all of the new products on the site, but wtf is a mini kiss cart & how could it possibly be more mini than the existing kiss carts lol it's mentioned in the product description

http://www.w9tech.com/copy-of-omicron-oil-vaporizer/


guys as we increase production levels we are getting cheaper and cheaper, all it takes is support.

Remember our quality has not gone down and will not go down, dont be fooled by the same units that cost 3x more because someone decided to put a name on it thats 10 years old or has some magical controlling unit, or by some fake doctor.

We continue to innovate and continue to pass on the savings to our customers. While others charge $89 for a 350 mah style battery we charge $35 just to show you we are in it for the customers and dont forget the fact we are still here 3 years after we released our first cartridge.
 

photobooth

Well-Known Member
Just thinking out loud...have you ever considered making a glass globe with a 14 or 18mm joint on the top so you can easily drop it into your glass piece?
95% of the time, I use my Ophos with some silicone tubing doubled up to fit in the 18mm joint in my bubblers. I'd love an adapter for the globe carts that easily mates with glass.
 

Beanporn

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Good news I got my okeanos and it is beautiful

Bad news I can't put it back together. Is there a manual somewhere?
 
Beanporn,

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THC SCIENTIFIC,

Beanporn

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You are inhaling to fast, you have to slow down. This is not a 24" pipe.

Much better. I'm still pulling water but not nearly as bad. How much water should I load? I'm loading it to the P but I'm taking the water down to an empty tube after a few medium sized pulls... just enough water in the bottom to bubble and filter. I actually kind of like it like that. How does it perform best?
 
Beanporn,

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Much better. I'm still pulling water but not nearly as bad. How much water should I load? I'm loading it to the P but I'm taking the water down to an empty tube after a few medium sized pulls... just enough water in the bottom to bubble and filter. I actually kind of like it like that. How does it perform best?

the water should be just above the the bottom of the U, you have to experiment to get the correct height.

It all depends on the users pref.
 
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StormyPinkness

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Much better. I'm still pulling water but not nearly as bad. How much water should I load? I'm loading it to the P but I'm taking the water down to an empty tube after a few medium sized pulls... just enough water in the bottom to bubble and filter. I actually kind of like it like that. How does it perform best?

Other users feel free to chime in or tell me to shut it, but I wanted to say don't be afraid to spam this forum with info/reviews on the okeanos. I'm very tempted to grab one, I just need hear from some happy users to give me a little push.
 

PPN

Volute of Vapor
Hi, I have some questions:

Can I let my Core plugged several hours without any issue?
Can I use the usb port to charge my vapes?
Is it better to store batteries fully charged, medium or empty?
If i use my hercules inverted, is there leaks issue? (actually i use it normally after each 2 hits inverted to help the oil is coming back to sit in the coil)
Can i use voltage upper 7.5 with core+hercules or it's not a good idea?

I know this is a lot of questions but even if you only can to answer me to one, it will be nice!
Thanks
 
PPN,

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Hi, I have some questions:

Can I let my Core plugged several hours without any issue?
Can I use the usb port to charge my vapes?
Is it better to store batteries fully charged, medium or empty?
If i use my hercules inverted, is there leaks issue? (actually i use it normally after each 2 hits inverted to help the oil is coming back to sit in the coil)
Can i use voltage upper 7.5 with core+hercules or it's not a good idea?

I know this is a lot of questions but even if you only can to answer me to one, it will be nice!
Thanks

You can leave it plugged in we have one thats plugged in for 4 months now its still working, but i wouldnt suggest it more then a few hours.


usb port use = yes you can

battery storage is good around 80% charged ( someone with a degree confirm this please )

your technique for the herc being used upside down is ok,

white sr 74x rod can up up to 8.4v, this means your going from around 20 watts all the way up to 33 watts depending on the heater resistance.
 

thegoo

Well-Known Member
Ok everyone,
I finally made the leap. I have been in total chaos since Thermovape closed up but I feel like i made the right decision. I just purchased a Persei, 2x AW IMR 18350s, 1x 18650, SS KIT, Hammer Top, SR-71 and Voltage Meter. IS there anything I am missing? I am really excited at the possibility that this will be a suitable replacement for my CERA EO. I guess only time will tell.......
 

THC SCIENTIFIC

To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before
Manufacturer
Ok everyone,
I finally made the leap. I have been in total chaos since Thermovape closed up but I feel like i made the right decision. I just purchased a Persei, 2x AW IMR 18350s, 1x 18650, SS KIT, Hammer Top, SR-71 and Voltage Meter. IS there anything I am missing? I am really excited at the possibility that this will be a suitable replacement for my CERA EO. I guess only time will tell.......

I am sorry to tell you that yes you did make the right decision but im gonna be brutally honest. When you get the Persei and Hercules SR71 please take it apart a few times put it back together again, make sure you get the correct resistance after each assembly, this makes sure that you know the device inside and out.

Now when ready to get the Herc to use gently screw it on the persei until you feel resistance. Stop

The just a tiny turn more like 1mm and you should be good.

Because of the complete destruction proof ( Titanic Rule always applies ) design of the Hercules the bottom adapter might need to be adjusted. This is what happens when we design a cartridge that is only going to fail almost 100% of the time by user error.

The bottom adapter since we eliminated all wires has two pins one on each end, they have grooves for a flat head screw driver. In case your hercules is not heating up, take 2 screw drivers small ones and unscrew one side 1/4 tune counter clock wise. This should now make full contact with the hercules and persei.

Because of the bottom adapter being wire less it has to be adjusted from time to time.


With what you have ordered you should be good to go.
 
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