the Michael Brown thread

tuk said:

this: The John Birch Society is an American political advocacy group that says it supports anti-communism and limited government. It has been described as radical right.

One isolated story about a black cop shooting an unarmed white kid doesn't really tell us much...but it does serve to flip the dynamics of the MB shooting and muddy the waters.

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I was just stumped there wasnt mention,nothing more.I agree with the police being completely out of hand in a lot depts across the US but I still see both sides today suffering from it but not a lot of mention when it happens to whites ,thats all. I just see the liberal media as bias, and not reporting ALL ,for instance Martin killing, afterwards during the trial the 1st youngest handgun victim on record, Google Atonio West,killed by blacks and there was no mention of it at all.Why? Maybe because it doesnt fit the narrative of the liberal media?( I am not a dem or a repub. but a libertarian)
MB incident = HORRIFIC and I hope all guilty party's are exposed, but that doesnt mean that other injustices arent done to whites as well as blacks.If you want PC its ok, but its not real. The media picks and chooses what will bring ratings.For example I save bully breeds read pit bulls .The media makes these things to be great white sharks with 4 legs.Are there incidents of them hurting people ,with out a doubt, but no mention of the breeds that are responsible for the same shit. Do they show the public the truth about these dogs, nope wont sell ratings,do they tell you that Bullys pass temperament tests above Golden retrvrs.s? on the same temperament as labs ,nope. One of the biggest problems today is the media. I despise a lot of em.
I walk thru life pretty much by saying thank you and please and Ive seen my share of ugly and made a point out of staying out of harms way. Somethings arent fare and you know what? A lot of those things arent going to change so I avoid em, COPS being on the top of that list, why, for the most part unstable,I avoid them like the plague and dont set my self up for failure with them.They have way too much power to flirt with them on a level that they may deem a threat and will flip and spin against you.Most people never win against corrupt agencies and in this case so far it looks like it ended up in tragedy, (and for the most part the family could win 10 mill in a law suit,money for souls? still not a win in my book)and for what because some authoritative figure told you to move....ugly as it gets,alter ego cop loses it, young buck says fuck the police, and here we are.Do you think the federal govt cares about you? funny the same guy that flys out of DC to Ferguson is a guy that will order HLS to mow you down because you may not like a plan of theirs that may infringe on your rights!
Not only fuck the police.......FUCK THE GOVT EVEN MORE.Politicians worse scum of the earth. Look at pelosie, look at bush, reid feinstein,rowe,cheney.obama,yeah they care alright...about their paychecks and control of the masses, all elitists. You can bet your ass if civil unrest is to come to this country those who dont have skills to survive and think the gov is gonna be your savior....your gonna be grossly disappointed. trust me on that folks.


I hope the truth is revealed on the MB case and guilty party's brought to justice. But what do you think will happen if they find out MB is guilty, What will be the response in Ferguson? Will it justify rioting,looting,maybe more murder? I hope not,it will only give the control freaks a reason to do what they like.......KILL what they deem dangerous,right or wrong.

ou812? said:

heres something i want honest answers as to why no mention.Now you wonder why people feel jaded.This is as real as it gets and there is a lot of this you never hear about unless yu go digging,which shouldnt be necessary to see. un bias media.??..that might not be available these days, Im seeing things that arent truthful in todays UNTRANSPARENT agenda by the right and left read this

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as others have said this doesnt fit a pattern that is all too common in this country... other than a cop using excessive force.

in the last month there have been five unarmed black men killed by white cops. yep the MB case made the headlines. the others did not get as much attention. in fact i hadnt heard about them until they were posted by others here.

i would think the numbers of abuse by white cops agaisnt african americans far outweighs the other way around.

ou812? said:

I hope the truth is revealed on the MB case and guilty party's brought to justice. But what do you think will happen if they find out MB is guilty, What will be the response in Ferguson? Will it justify rioting,looting,maybe more murder? I hope not,it will only give the control freaks a reason to do what they like.......KILL what they deem dangerous,right or wrong.

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again all the rioting and looting is about SO much more than MB. its about years of oppression and being treated like shit. the MB shooting was just the tipping point.

and unless you have been oppressed as an african american in poverty then i find it hard to believe that you can say how you would react through all of this.

2clicker said:

all the rioting and looting is about SO much more than MB. its about years of oppression and being treated like shit.... and unless you have been oppressed as an african american in poverty then i find it hard to believe that you can say how you would react through all of this.

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Doesn't make two wrongs equal a right. Although you're right it wasn't just about MB or those fucked up police. It was also about coming up, staying on top and screaming 187 of a mother fuckin' cop.

Caligula said:

Doesn't make two wrongs equal a right.

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im not suggesting it does. but boy can that second wrong feel great when you have been wronged for so long. like if i someone close to me was murdered and i had an opportunity for revenge... i cant say if i would act on it or not. like brad pitt at the end of se7en. he had no right to kill kevin spacey, but he does. so until youve been in those shoes you cant really say how you would react. its easy to sit and watch this from afar and say how horrible some of the people in ferguson are because of their actions.

just saying that some people who feel they have no voice will act out in dangerous ways. clearly this was a small percentage of the residents of ferguson.

Protesting and demonstrators are one thing. Burning and stealing shit is different however, and are due to opportunistic anarchy and people giving in to their base instincts.

Case in point. I've lived here in so cal for the better part of 30 years. I lived just outside LA in 1992. During that time, my best friend's family store was looted burned to the ground during the LA riots. In fact it's very likely that the only reason why his father wasn't hurt or killed, was because he ran out the back as people smashed open the gates up front.

Interesting thing is that his parents are 1st generation immigrants from Korea. Because you know... they (and the other countless stores and shops in LA's Korea Town that got hit and never made it back) had so much to do with the oppression given out to the black folk from the white man.

Perhaps we should ask them how that wrong felt to them? I bet it didn't "feel great".

You can try to justify this any way you want, it's not going to make it right, nor would it become right if you or I were the looters and vandals in question... Or even Brad Pitt for that matter.

Caligula said:

You can try to justify this any way you want, it's not going to make it right, nor would it become right if you or I were the looters and vandals in question... Or even Brad Pitt for that matter.

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im not justifying it in any way. i clearly already stated that. please do not put words in my mouth.

no your friends parents didnt have anything to do with the peoples oppression. and neither did the african american business owners in ferguson who lost shit. the looters arent thinking "hey its this business owners fault!". its not about that AT ALL. its about only being pushed so far and reacting to it.

and AGAIN... unless you have lived this life then your opinion on the peoples reactions do not carry much weight.

i know i could never imagine what its like. and will never pretend to.

2clicker said:

and unless you have been oppressed as an african american in poverty then i find it hard to believe that you can say how you would react through all of this.

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They are not systematically oppressing black people. They are systematically oppressing the lower classes. As long as that racial divide is used, it keeps the 10 million black people in poverty, and the 20 million white people in poverty divided (not to mention hispanics and asians in poverty). Factor in those that are considered "twice poverty rates", we're at 34% of the country (all races). Roughly 107 million people.


“Instead of war on poverty, they got a war on drugs so the police can bother me.”

- 2Pac

Magic9 said:

They are not systematically oppressing black people. They are systematically oppressing the lower classes. As long as that racial divide is used, it keeps the 10 million black people in poverty, and the 20 million white people in poverty divided (not to mention hispanics and asians in poverty).

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Exactly, when in fact, Whites, Blacks and other minorities living in poverty would be better served by uniting together in their struggle to break free of poverty. It doesn't matter if you're black, white or another minority; what matters when it comes to poverty in the inner city is that there should not be divisiveness. They are all EQUALLY POOR!! With greater numbers comes more power and a louder voice to make it possible for political and economic change to happen....

@2clicker @Magic9 @Chill Dude

You guys can all be right here. None of your ideas really oppose the other. Blacks have been oppressed. This is evident in the data (look at the drug war), look at how federal house administration essentially set up ghettos. Jobs shifted to the suburbs and blacks were left behind. There is alot of history of policies that unfairly affected blacks (and probably brown people too) and all of these things add up and can and do still have an impact today. I mean we still have them now, stop and frisk being the most obvious. We need to keep informing because there are still people who underplay these effects and even claim racism is over now. You would think by now people would at least be educated on businesses and governmental role in oppressing blacks, it is our history. But people dont really want to talk about it or learn the details.

At the same time all low and now the middle class as a whole are being squeezed. And I agree it would be best if they could all unite. I feel acknowledging the past and current policies should not put different races against each other. Alittle education and empathy goes a long way. Getting educated would also help the people actually accomplish something for once. Everyone uniting but being ignorant wont work either, you dig?


On another note.

Doesnt help my perception of ignorant hick cops in that department lol

Magic9 said:

They are not systematically oppressing black people. They are systematically oppressing the lower classes. As long as that racial divide is used, it keeps the 10 million black people in poverty, and the 20 million white people in poverty divided (not to mention hispanics and asians in poverty). Factor in those that are considered "twice poverty rates", we're at 34% of the country (all races). Roughly 107 million people.


“Instead of war on poverty, they got a war on drugs so the police can bother me.”

- 2Pac

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Chill Dude said:

Exactly, when in fact, Whites, Blacks and other minorities living in poverty would be better served by uniting together in their struggle to break free of poverty. It doesn't matter if you're black, white or another minority; what matters when it comes to poverty in the inner city is that there should not be divisiveness. They are all EQUALLY POOR!! With greater numbers comes more power and a louder voice to make it possible for political and economic change to happen....

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olivianewtonjohn said:

@2clicker @Magic9 @Chill Dude

You guys can all be right here. None of your ideas really oppose the other. Blacks have been oppressed. This is evident in the data (look at the drug war), look at how federal house administration essentially set up ghettos. Jobs shifted to the suburbs and blacks were left behind. There is alot of history of policies that unfairly affected blacks (and probably brown people too) and all of these things add up and can and do still have an impact today. I mean we still have them now, stop and frisk being the most obvious.

At the same time all low and now the middle class as a whole are being squeezed. And I agree it would be best if they could all unit. I feel acknowledging the past and current policies should not put different races against each other. Alittle education and empathy goes a long way. Getting educated would also help the people actually accomplish something for once. Everyone uniting but being ignorant wont work either, you dig?

Doesnt help my perception of ignorant hick cops in that department lol

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yes yes and yes

i do notice african americans being singled out by the police far more than any other race, but yes the system as a whole is indeed bent on keeping poor people poor regardless of race.

Some good reading on the FHA and residential segregation

http://www.law.fsu.edu/journals/landuse/vol141/seit.htm#FNR21

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/04needs/housing05.htm

EDIT: Dammit I wish I could find the book and chapters I had to read a few semesters ago, had alot of great information of blacks being left out of the market place when businesses moved out into the suburbs. And the want for whites only neighborhoods because it was believed that blacks would lower the value of houses. Alot of other nity grity details.

Will edit if I can find it.

^ Literally divide and conquer

This threads depressing but I can't stop reading it..

The white house responds:

http://fusion.net/leadership/story/...nts-lose-loads-military-issued-weapons-984250

@olivianewtonjohn I agree for the most part. I just don't see real change until we unite. By framing this as a "black person problem" (opposed to an American problem), it alienates some people. Some of those people may not understand all the intricacies involved, but if it's a "black" problem, then it's not "their" problem (some, like you referred to, deny racism exists), so they turn off. I think that is why people don't want to learn the details.


"The time has come for an all-out world war against poverty. The rich nations must use their vast resources of wealth to develop the underdeveloped, school the unschooled and feed the unfed. The well-off and the secure have too often become indifferent and oblivious to the poverty and deprivation in their midst. The poor in our countries have been shut out of our minds, and driven from the mainstream of our societies, because we have allowed them to become invisible. Ultimately a great nation is a compassionate nation. No individual or nation can be great if it does not have a concern for 'the least of these." -MLK 1967

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_People's_Campaign

Caligula said:

Doesn't make two wrongs equal a right.

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Caligula said:

You can try to justify this any way you want, it's not going to make it right, nor would it become right if you or I were the looters and vandals in question...

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You're really having conversation with yourself here about the right/wrong of the rioters, as far as I can see no one else has commented on this, more discussing the root cause of why it happened which is the same root cause of why it always happens ....the cops are there to keep anarchy at bay eg people being randomly shot to death in the street over minor issues, so when the cops start randomly shooting people to death in the street over minor issues they create the anarchy they are supposed to be there to prevent ...not exactly rocket science more basic cause and effect.

Would these riots, looting etc have happened if MB hadn't been shot unarmed? No!

You mentioned the 1992 riots? ..ok thats the effect lets remind ourselves of the cause:

If your Korean store owner wants to blame someone for his store being torched he should look no further than the cops in this video

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EDIT: Dammit I wish I could find the book and chapters I had to read a few semesters ago, had alot of great information of blacks being left out of the market place when businesses moved out into the suburbs. And the want for whites only neighborhoods because it was believed that blacks would lower the value of houses. Alot of other nity grity details

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here in STL there was what has been dubbed "white flight". the city remains this way to this day.

I dont get it guys,POOR arent we all but went to work? I went to school at a community college and paid for it on a part time job. Took my certs and started applying.I wasnt given a curve on my test but African Americans did, didnt bother me, I scored avg and got hired.I would think if your poor you got to go to work.I worked 3 jobs until I got my debt in order and that was it .I dont get it.Go to work!! no jobs?? doesnt seem to be a shortage of manual labor, its what I did for years until I got my position as aFF. laborer for a bunch of brick layers hard work but I learned the trade if I wanted to become one so it was all good no matter how you look at it, I got paid and learned a trade.

I have black friends form Jamaica, they dont see the situation you talk about with them.They are all employed 2 FF'S the other guy an IT guy and they have never had any issues and they claim its all in how you carry your self,Your either accountable with good social skills or your the type that doesnt.With out basic skill sets on how to act accordingly ,one is not going to attract future employment ops.
I wanted out of being poor so I addressed the situation in what were steps to make it happen. I dont know why that wouldnt work today? nothing in life is really easy or free, it takes discipline and hard work.You have to be resilient you dont get hired and keep putting your effort out to employers until it breaks.
Never a good sailor from sailing on smooth seas. Today too much, too many people are unaccountable and want to blame it on some one else. Life is what you make of it, look at president Obama,he shattered any ideology that a black man cant succeed,also Holder, top LE official in the land. They obviously didnt let race stop them from being successful people. A lot of excuses today, its easier than putting your head in the books and making your self an asset for a future employer in the field of your choice. No excuse, I see to many people who werent in a good place pull them selves out with self discipline and hard work and have succeeded in becoming financially independent people. My parents were immigrants and we were raised in a shitty hood and we got robbed, car stolen,fights,muggings the typical shit from living in an shitty hood (south bronx,nyc) but i new it wasnt anything I wanted to make a home so i did my home work and got out. No help other than my own hard work and discipline. I guess thats been replaced with an excuse to try to do it with out the basics....like building a castle on sand, not going to support itself!!

ou812? said:

I dont get it guys,POOR arent we all but went to work?

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ou812, I think that's an oversimplification of a solution to poverty and racial division in the inner cities of America. Yes, some black people do make the climb out of poverty. As you mentioned Obama, Holder, numerous sports and entertainment success stories. However, the fact of the matter is the overwhelming majority of inner city black people( and white people to a lesser degree) never rise above the poverty level. Why? The system is created to keep them down.... Shit schools with no funding, police oppression and targeting, non existent or bad parenting, parents who are uneducated themselves, discrimination in the workforce and housing, a general feeling of hopelessness and that no one cares about them. I could go on and on about the reasons. So from your quote above, it sounds like you are insinuating that poor people living in the inner city ( who are mostly black) are in general lazy and just don't want to work. I hope that's not what you actually meant...

Your view, however, is widely held by most conservatives and libertarians. It goes something like this: affirmative action is no longer needed, discrimination is a rare event, police don't target black people, it's the black people doing bad things, no one needs a hand up, everyone has the same chance for success, the cream always rises to the top, why don't THEY go out and get a fucking job. It all a scheme to create racial division. The message being it's just a black problem. Obviously, politicians state these things very subtlety , but most educated people understand what they're really saying.

Ou812, I respect your opinion, but I totally disagree. The dire situation in America's inner cities are much more perverse and complicated than you think. Go out and get a fucking job is not the answer to solving poverty and oppression in the inner city. In fact, it's basically denying that there's even a problem at all!! As long as that attitude prevails, change will never happen which would be just fine with conservatives and Libertarians alike. The status quo...right?

Chill Dude said:

ou812, I think that's an oversimplification of a solution to poverty and racial division in the inner cities of America. Yes, some black people do make the climb out of poverty. As you mentioned Obama, Holder, numerous sports and entertainment success stories. However, the fact of the matter is the overwhelming majority of inner city black people( and white people to a lesser degree) never rise above the poverty level. Why? The system is created to keep them down.... Shit schools with no funding, police oppression and targeting, non existent or bad parenting, parents who are uneducated themselves, discrimination in the workforce and housing, a general feeling of hopelessness and that no one cares about them. I could go on and on about the reasons. So from your quote above, it sounds like you are insinuating that poor people living in the inner city ( who are mostly black) are in general lazy and just don't want to work. I hope that's not what you actually meant...

Your view, however, is widely held by most conservatives and libertarians. It goes something like this: affirmative action is no longer needed, discrimination is a rare event, police don't target black people, it's the black people doing bad things, no one needs a hand up, everyone has the same chance for success, the cream always rises to the top, why don't THEY go out and get a fucking job. It all a scheme to create racial division. The message being it's just a black problem. Obviously, politicians state these things very subtlety , but most educated people understand what they're really saying.

Ou812, I respect your opinion, but I totally disagree. The dire situation in America's inner cities are much more perverse and complicated than you think. Go out and get a fucking job is not the answer to solving poverty and oppression in the inner city. In fact, it's basically denying that there's even a problem at all!! As long as that attitude prevails, change will never happen which would be just fine with conservatives and Libertarians alike. The status quo...right?

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well said!

Chill Dude said:

ou812, I think that's an oversimplification of a solution to poverty and racial division in the inner cities of America. Yes, some black people do make the climb out of poverty. As you mentioned Obama, Holder, numerous sports and entertainment success stories. However, the fact of the matter is the overwhelming majority of inner city black people( and white people to a lesser degree) never rise above the poverty level. Why? The system is created to keep them down.... Shit schools with no funding, police oppression and targeting, non existent or bad parenting, parents who are uneducated themselves, discrimination in the workforce and housing, a general feeling of hopelessness and that no one cares about them. I could go on and on about the reasons. So from your quote above, it sounds like you are insinuating that poor people living in the inner city ( who are mostly black) are in general lazy and just don't want to work. I hope that's not what you actually meant...

Your view, however, is widely held by most conservatives and libertarians. It goes something like this: affirmative action is no longer needed, discrimination is a rare event, police don't target black people, it's the black people doing bad things, no one needs a hand up, everyone has the same chance for success, the cream always rises to the top, why don't THEY go out and get a fucking job. It all a scheme to create racial division. The message being it's just a black problem. Obviously, politicians state these things very subtlety , but most educated people understand what they're really saying.

Ou812, I respect your opinion, but I totally disagree. The dire situation in America's inner cities are much more perverse and complicated than you think. Go out and get a fucking job is not the answer to solving poverty and oppression in the inner city. In fact, it's basically denying that there's even a problem at all!! As long as that attitude prevails, change will never happen which would be just fine with conservatives and Libertarians alike. The status quo...right?

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I came from an inner city, go ahead a take a bus get off at Lafayette Ave in south Bronx, basically armpit of the world. I rose up because I hated what we had. I am a minority myself, so I understand what hard work and determination can do even when your not white. In my case I carried myself in a respectful manner and just kept up with a positive attitude. So as I said there is a way but the govt enslaves those who want a free ticket. .I see welfare as an enslavement, yes beneficial to use and get back on your feet again buit not generational , but my dad worked 3 jobs so did my mom and we just didnt let the rough times take away from our goal and my rents didnt want a handout, back in those days it was deemed unfavorably . I feel bad if you cant truly see what is happening A POLITICAL AGENDA. . I dont feel bad for those who dont want to better themselves. You can point the finger at who ever you want, but you alone are responsible for your life. You will either make good decisions or bad ones and your going to have to live with what road you chose..

I could have easily played the victim game. I see a lot of weakness in todays younger gen.I am most likely 25 yrs older than a lot of member's here and dont prescribe to the left or right. Both are corrupt and do not care for the people. Dont frown on the libertarian party, were not the right nor the left but for the good of us as a whole trying to shield ourselves from what is ruining the country, CORRUPT GOVT. And yes it is a simple act to do, just dont play victim, stay in school, dont choose the wrong role models, and use what your born with ,of course unless you dont have a brain and a conscious and a respectful attitude towards life and all its entities . You can view your world with negativity or with a positive attitude. I just dont see how one cant say they are not responsible for breaking the law when they know what theyre doing is illegal. Its a copout and if you want to prescribe to it, be my guest. I'll keep on trucking with my good attitude and hope that those who feel theyve been had finally find their peace of heaven, it worked for me, truly cant see why it wouldnt work for any other.I really find the victim game to belong to only a few legitimate A good % are playing the game. YMMV

@ou812? Did your parents make it out of the "shitty hood"? Nobody is saying not to work.

Being that you have professed to be a libertarian multiple times, can you explain how supply side economics is favorable to the middle class? Surely you agree that the US dollar should be tied to the gold standard. Why is it not?

lib·er·ty
noun \ˈli-bər-tē\
: the state or condition of people who are able to act and speak freely

: the power to do or choose what you want to

: a political right


We're fighting for the same thing here. A good example of how the division works.

ou812? said:

you alone are responsible for your life. You will either make good decisions or bad ones and your going to have to live with what road you chose..

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true, but the decisions you make are often a result of the type of person you are. and for the majority of people are a product of their environment. and sometimes that product can lead to bad decisions. decisions that would not likely be made if the oppression NEVER existed in the first place. i dont understand how people dont see this.

yes there are tons of lazy people in the hood. i do t doubt that. what i do doubt is that they are just naturally lazy people. their environment created that.

just like my environment created me. now there are going to be exceptions, but i think this is the case for most people.

the system is set up to keep people lazy, poor, and stupid. its by design. yep a few people will rise up and get out, but not many. that doesnt mean the ones who dont are bad people.

ou812? said:

I came from an inner city, go ahead a take a bus get off at Lafayette Ave in south Bronx, basically armpit of the world. I rose up because I hated what we had. I am a minority myself, so I understand what hard work and determination can do even when your not white. In my case I carried myself in a respectful manner and just kept up with a positive attitude. So as I said there is a way but the govt enslaves those who want a free ticket. .I see welfare as an enslavement, yes beneficial to use and get back on your feet again buit not generational , but my dad worked 3 jobs so did my mom and we just didnt let the rough times take away from our goal and my rents didnt want a handout, back in those days it was deemed unfavorably . I feel bad if you cant truly see what is happening A POLITICAL AGENDA. . I dont feel bad for those who dont want to better themselves. You can point the finger at who ever you want, but you alone are responsible for your life. You will either make good decisions or bad ones and your going to have to live with what road you chose..

I could have easily played the victim game. I see a lot of weakness in todays younger gen.I am most likely 25 yrs older than a lot of member's here and dont prescribe to the left or right. Both are corrupt and do not care for the people. Dont frown on the libertarian party, were not the right nor the left but for the good of us as a whole trying to shield ourselves from what is ruining the country, CORRUPT GOVT. And yes it is a simple act to do, just dont play victim, stay in school, dont choose the wrong role models, and use what your born with ,of course unless you dont have a brain and a conscious and a respectful attitude towards life and all its entities . You can view your world with negativity or with a positive attitude. I just dont see how one cant say they are not responsible for breaking the law when they know what theyre doing is illegal. Its a copout and if you want to prescribe to it, be my guest. I'll keep on trucking with my good attitude and hope that those who feel theyve been had finally find their peace of heaven, it worked for me, truly cant see why it wouldnt work for any other.I really find the victim game to belong to only a few legitimate A good % are playing the game. YMMV

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I agree that my generation has alot of problems but again you are attitude of "oh just man up" is like your covering your ears and not paying attention to the facts. My generation has been hit very hard, probably alot harder than your generation. You didnt say your age but from what you posted im assuming you are apart of the same generation that left alot of problems for my generation (shitty economy, social security, global warming, to name a few), so lets not point fingers. What your saying sounds great and all but what about the people who do everything you say? They get an education (and no not liberal arts degrees) and still cant find a job? I know someone with a PhD in organic chemistry and they have been looking for a job for months. They did get a job offer for $20,000 in mexico----whoopty doo! Yes an anecdotal story but its not the first I have heard, its a scary job market out there. Ochem is a pretty broad and useful field after all. You say stay in school, but look at the cost of school; its ridiculous. The cost of tuition and textbooks have greatly increased.

I dont think anyone is suggesting that playing the victim will help our economy, but actually realizing that we have a problem might be the first step. Like many things in libertarianism it all sounds good and is simplistic. Just work harder. But alot of people are doing just that and still having a hard time. And on top of all of that, the families with jobs are working alot more than before. I dont know the solution and wont pretend that some simplistic answer will fix everything.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/american-pie-families-work-far-more-today-than-they-did-in-the-1970s/

In mb news today:

Police let their dog urinate on Michael Brown memorial, then drove over it


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