the Michael Brown thread

grokit said:

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"A former Marine Corps Colonel who was stationed in Fallujah and trained Iraqi soldiers warns that the Department of Homeland Security is working with law enforcement to build a “domestic army,” because the federal government is afraid of its own citizens.
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It's alex jones, but he seems to at least be more accurate than a broken clock

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Id say closer to a broken clock:


Just sayin, not that the video is wrong or right. But I think its important to research what he says with a close eye

Madcap79 said:

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Terrible resolution is terrible. Do you just have a link instead?

Madcap79 said:

How do so many Russians have dash cams?

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Because over there auto insurance often will not pay unless you can prove you were not at fault. Thus the explosion of dash cams.

t-dub said:

Because over there auto insurance often will not pay unless you can prove you were not at fault. Thus the explosion of dash cams.

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Also the typical Russian doesn't have to buy enough equipment to outfit a fleet of vehicles. Some insurance policies over there even provide the equipment to policy holders.

Ultimately, the reason behind this is that there was (might still be) a GIANT problem with insurance fraud over there.

Yeah it started mainly because of the fraud problem.

olivianewtonjohn said:

Id say closer to a broken clock:

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Okay only right twice a day (fixed), but what about that ex-marine colonel, on the level or not

The DoD is definitely giving away MRAPs.
http://www.thespectrum.com/story/news/local/mesquite/2014/06/26/mpd-receives-mrap-dod/11432091/

There is a dept. near where I'm at that has an MRAP.

Caligula said:

You're assuming policy is based on common sense because why? Lol.

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so true and so sad

EDIT: Look what poped up in google image under "fuck the police"

heres a social experiment for ya
http://gawker.com/a-white-guy-and-a-black-guy-try-to-break-into-a-car-gue-1526795559

hmmm you boys are really getting down...good to see civil discussions. I have been involved with cops being a firefighter and have had to work along a lot of em.95% that I was involved with on scenes were great guys.Now take away the fact that I use an illegal substance in my state,I try not to discriminate due to my illegal activity.For the most part when I get pulled over I dont show my retired status FF identification because I want to see how I am going to be treated.I do not act anything but civil and was always told by state police uncle I had, never to fake any moves, most are on heightened senses and something ugly could jump off.So I sit quietly and wait for the cop to do his thing.I have been ordered out and told to turn around and did get patted down and told to get back in the car and a few mins later he comes over and gives me back my license, tells me to slow down 10 miles over speed limit, I say thank, I never show him I am retired FF and I go on my way.I have had assholes pull me over but my results were the same.I was always taught that cops were a necessary evil and although I know that due to my illegal activities that I may not care for them but I will tell you this IMAGINE A WORLD WITH OUT THEM!! SEE THE LOOTING AND BURNING, wouldnt be a nice place with out laws.More of an apocalyptic environment!!
In the case of M.Brown if we are people of the USA we should allow the system of law to take its place.This is an incident that needs time to unravel and get ALL the facts opened up and investigated.If not then, why bother with any laws, all we will have are kangaroo courts and tyrants who can afford to manipulate more than enforce.Does the system have flaws? U BET but its better than any other system in the world.Try doing what Ferguson town did in China, Malaysia, better yet Middle east!! The same thing happened down here in FL with Zimmerman and Martin shooting. People say why do you need guns. Well that has a lot of facets.If you live in a nice Norman Rockwell town you wouldnt understand the need, move down to Miami and go over to O-TOWN or Liberty City and run those streets every day and bet you this... you will be applying for a pistol permit if you value your life and for the most part its easier than carrying a cop around.

I never needed a handgun until I moved here.Went to have a great day down in Miami and got off the train with my girl and BAM pistol whipped and opened up my skull for 20 stitches and my girl was punched in the face and iphone robbed.Well after that, I applied for a concealed carry and am I glad I did. Went out one night parked in a parking garage and we were coming back from dinner and 2 guys approached us as were were getting close to vehicle and showed a blade and demanded phones and my wallet and her purse, I went to pretend to pull my wallet and pulled out my 40 and told them WRONG WEAPON FELLAS and as soon as they saw the piece ,they vanished. Would I have used it...U BETCHA !! I have relatives that live in Baton Rouge,LA, whoa doggies... war zone in a lot of sections and most do pack due to heavy crime. Sucks big time but its whats going on in some places so, M Brown, dont know anything yet other than hear say and the facts are not all out and wont be for quite some time.
I wish we could all get along but it seems that even on a simple basis as neighbors,and family's cant make it a warm and fuzzy,let alone different countries and states and races.I try to say please and thank you where ever I go and try to look at life with a positive attitude,I beat cancer so I am very appreciative of life.

There are always going to be evil situations in the world and I try not to add to them. When I dont understand something due to its complexity or due to the undisclosed facts I wait to make my decision.There are a lot of facts here in Ferguson that have not been disclosed yet, as the same with Zimmerman and Martin case.Let the justice system iron it all out and if you dont like the verdict you can do 2 things, accept it or go on a warpath and make it even worse and justify the authorities need to use their weapons and tactics.

For me Im going into the woods so I do not have to see or be involved with the ugliness that comes from living in close proximity of society.I will grow my own and distill my own and live in peace with nature and come into society for some resources form time to time.I just want peace and dont want people with attitudes swimming around me or that want to take what I believe in, away from me. Things lately dont look to good,every where there is a serious incident going down,domestic and foreign.It looks ugly but on top of a hill w/30 acres and a sweet big stream and lake on the property will keep ALL of the ugliness away from me and my dogs.Nice big organic garden, some venison, some wild game...yummy ....to each his/her own.... to all I respect all opinions here and I might not agree with some, its the beauty of this great nation FREEDOM and boy it dont come cheap!! but we need to pay it fwd for it to remain that way!!

ou812? said:

its the beauty of this great nation FREEDOM and boy it dont come cheap!! but we need to pay it fwd for it to remain that way!!

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thats just it though. there is this false sense of freedom. ask the peaceful protestors and media in ferguson about their "freedom". im not free to grow my own medicine. check out the documentary "farmagedon"... it shows americans growing and dispersing completely natural foods and the FDA comes in and confiscates it all. they take their animals they use for milk and kill them. fact is that american freedoms are being taken away every day. TRUST me i want this country to be everything that i was told it was growing up... unfortunately those were lies. just like the history they teach in schools are lies and the real truth is swept under the rug.

examples of this shit are EVERYWHERE and most americans follow along like sheople. even if you did try to explain some of this stuff they would laugh it off telling you how its a conspiracy theory.

freedom...? yeah right

i am also the owner of a firearm. i feel it necessary to protect my family in my home. i have been in a home when someone attempts to break in. like your story as soon as i made it known that i was packing heat... the situation was over. my pops was a cop and an avid gun guy so i grew up shooting a lot.

regarding CCW... overall i respect this law. i have considered it myself, but i just havent had any experiences outside of my home to need it. and i live in one of the most dangerous citys in america. now thats not to say that something will never happen. clearly shit does. i just havent felt the need personally.

yup i am a gun owner. ive got an H&K 45C and love it. shooting at the range is so much fun. unfortunately you have to take a loan out just to afford the ammo.

having said all of that... yes we live in a society where i feel having a firearm in my house is a necessity. HOWEVER if everyone on this planet decided "we dont need guns" and everyone decided to destroy them all... i would be the first one to toss mine in. until that day though... ill be keeping it.

ou812? said:

In the case of M.Brown if we are people of the USA we should allow the system of law to take its place.This is an incident that needs time to unravel and get ALL the facts opened up and investigated.If not then, why bother with any laws, all we will have are kangaroo courts and tyrants who can afford to manipulate more than enforce.Does the system have flaws? U BET but its better than any other system in the world.Try doing what Ferguson town did in China, Malaysia, better yet Middle east!! The same thing happened down here in FL with Zimmerman and Martin shooting. People say why do you need guns. Well that has a lot of facets.If you live in a nice Norman Rockwell town you wouldnt understand the need, move down to Miami and go over to O-TOWN or Liberty City and run those streets every day and bet you this... you will be applying for a pistol permit if you value your life and for the most part its easier than carrying a cop around.


There are always going to be evil situations in the world and I try not to add to them. When I dont understand something due to its complexity or due to the undisclosed facts I wait to make my decision.There are a lot of facts here in Ferguson that have not been disclosed yet, as the same with Zimmerman and Martin case.Let the justice system iron it all out and if you dont like the verdict you can do 2 things, accept it or go on a warpath and make it even worse and justify the authorities need to use their weapons and tactics.

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Is it the best system in the world? On any given topic this is usually said about the US and im never really sure if thats true. I really wonder when I hear about minimum sentences, a guy in TX how has a possibility of getting life in prison for making pot brownies (sure it wouldnt happen but the fact that its a possibility is scary), how many police shootings vs other countries (of course we are more violent than some other countries).

I feel like comparing our system to the middle east, china, and malaysia is counter productive. If your comparing heathcare, education, and other basic metrics the same argument can be made that its worse in 3rd world countries. But why not compare our system to other 1st world countries? I havent researched our police vs police in Britain, Switzerland, Denmark, etc. Its a pretty complex question and hard to know how good the police departments are compared to their societies (some have more problems than others) but lets at least try to compare apples to apples. Its easy to say our police is better than the police in mexico, pakestain, russia; its alot harder to compare ours to other modern 1st world countries.

2clicker said:

unfortunately those were lies. just like the history they teach in schools are lies and the real truth is swept under the rug.

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WHAT? So Columbus wasnt a cool hippie just chilling out with Native Americans?

Even the most routine things can become deadly really quick in this world. Sadly it's just a f act of life. Even for small town police chiefs doing community policing.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/23/us/texas-police-chief-killed/index.html?c=homepage-t

Bad things happen on both sides of this story; it's time to find an ending to it.

"The family is puzzled as to how he could have shot himself in the chest with his hands cuffed behind his back."

http://www.klfy.com/story/26349989/victor-white-autopsy-findings-released

Seems plausible.

" According to State Police, who are handling the investigation, White refused to exit the vehicle when they arrived at the Iberia Parish Sherrif’s Office. Just as the arresting deputy requested assistance, they claim White produced a handgun was hidden in his pants, accidentally shooting himself in the back."

Caligula said:

Seems plausible.
"According to State Police, who are handling the investigation, White refused to exit the vehicle when they arrived at the Iberia Parish Sherrif’s Office. Just as the arresting deputy requested assistance, they claim White produced a handgun was hidden in his pants, accidentally shooting himself in the back."

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Except the autopsy proved the police lied, and he was shot in the chest.
With his hands cuffed behind his back. Oops!

olivianewtonjohn said:

Is it the best system in the world? On any given topic this is usually said about the US and im never really sure if thats true. I really wonder when I hear about minimum sentences, a guy in TX how has a possibility of getting life in prison for making pot brownies (sure it wouldnt happen but the fact that its a possibility is scary), how many police shootings vs other countries (of course we are more violent than some other countries).

I feel like comparing our system to the middle east, china, and malaysia is counter productive. If your comparing heathcare, education, and other basic metrics the same argument can be made that its worse in 3rd world countries. But why not compare our system to other 1st world countries? I havent researched our police vs police in Britain, Switzerland, Denmark, etc. Its a pretty complex question and hard to know how good the police departments are compared to their societies (some have more problems than others) but lets at least try to compare apples to apples. Its easy to say our police is better than the police in mexico, pakestain, russia; its alot harder to compare ours to other modern 1st world countries.



WHAT? So Columbus wasnt a cool hippie just chilling out with Native Americans?

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I always say to everyone to each his/her own and I wouldnt want to live anywhere else on the planet but the USA. There must be something here that alot of the world wants to come here and live.I would say that other places that are 1st world nations usually model our system. Been around the big blue marble, some nice places to visit but I wouldnt want to live there. Here we have MORE flexibility than other nations.Like I said its not perfect but I will take it and love and honor it. For those who disagree, its all good,at least you can speak your mind here still. There is no nirvana on earth these days. Some places more comfortable than others, but in my own world I'm very happy living in the USA,cops,I keep a healthy distance from them and I know we need em to keep peace and order,when I was younger I hated em because you dont really understand their role, your concerned about getting popped ! I'm still not inviting em over for dinner but they are as I said a necessary evil,and for the most part a lot of peeps are happy they are around. Yep they fuk up too and some depts are draconian, but for the most part sure wouldnt be a fun place with out them keeping the peace.
Being a firefighter, I see them in a different status, I have blasted the ones that were Neanderthals and had no business being a cop and a lot of em were good guys who have a very tuff job.They used to say "how the fuck can you deal with fire and medical calls and all the blood? I would say fire is a bitch but a natural type of ugly with out a mind,so there are tactics dealing with it and they work.You copper have to deal with the human element and that element has a mind of its own....whoa to me thats scarey, might be an old man you pullover and your complacency makes you drop your guard and the old man is a sovereign type and hates authority and pops a cap in your ass and oh no its time to die!!. Im not thinking about who was wrong in the Ferguson fiasco until the judicial system does its job. I dont think the big guy was a saint but I cant say if he did anything to support a bullet to the head, if not see ya copper, if the cop is innocent lets hope the race baiters move on to somewhere else that needs a lynch mob like the middle east!! let Jesse and Al go after ISIS

It's more than just the cops on the streets. It's the way our system is set up now; we're downsizing the military, and militarizing the local police. We have 5% of the world's population but 25% of its prisoners, making us more oppressive than any society existing today, and arguably more oppressive than any society throughout history. America has a habit of creating its own enemies, and the numbers say that americans are now seen as a greater threat to america than foreign terrorists are (to the terrorists in charge that is).

ou812? said:

There are a lot of facts here in Ferguson that have not been disclosed yet, as the same with Zimmerman and Martin case.Let the justice system iron it all out and if you dont like the verdict you can do 2 things, accept it or go on a warpath and make it even worse and justify the authorities need to use their weapons and tactics.

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I agree, all the facts have not been presented to the public and we need to let the justice system work. The problem is that sometimes our justice system does not produce a just verdict. Then what do we do? As you said we could accept the verdict that we feel is unjust, or as you say go on a warpath and further destroy a community, but I think there's a third option. How about peaceful demonstration or using the media to bring attention to the injustice of our justice system, or how about community organisation, petitions or peaceful marches and demonstrations. When a verdict is unjust, I don't think you have to accept it as just and just say that sucks and move on. Sometimes you need to fight for things you believe in!!

Great post, you speak from personal experiences and opinions rather than endless links to news stories. Very refreshing!!!

grokit said:

Except the autopsy proved the police lied, and he was shot in the chest.
With his hands cuffed behind his back. Oops!

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My apologies. The link you provided doesn't work, and the article I found makes no mention of an autopsy.

Speaking of plausibility though. ..



here I'll fix the picture for you too



Edit: found your link. Here you go.

http://m.klfy.com/display/9789/story/0da685953da822b91498cf55e4f6237e

Don't see where it mentions where his hands were behind his back when he was shot though just that the family made a statement about it.

BTW any idea if it was a through and through shot that exited out his back?

IMO this article sucks. They also said the gun used wasn't a service piece. Doesn't mention ballistics tests. Obviously it is rather lacking in detail... Do you have more info from other reputable sources we can look at?

problem is once a verdict is read is pretty much carved in stone.Then only recourse is appeals and thats 99% of the time is moot.I think your idea is the best but the problem in today, 3/4 of the protestors will oblige to a peaceful rally and then you always got some loose cannons that ruin it for all.My advice is with cops, try to be cool, who the fuk knows what this guy is responding from. The ones that are bad can do things that there is no one around to witness.I think the cameras are the way to go and hope that all 50 states make it mandatory. For the most part, we all do something that can hurt us legally(that is if you live in a non legal status state with MJ) so we all are biased in a way and I'm guilty of it too. I have to admit,I think other than doing weed,I break the law very little.I dont drink and drive and I do speed, but for the most part I'm guilty of ripping mattress and pillow tags off that say its illegal to do so. Cops are good when you need em(if you can find em) and a muthafucka when you dont.trick is to not rely on them for what they are employed to do =enforce law and keep the peace. Thats why i say the less you have to deal with them the better, god knows the world is kuked up in some parts and their job is one of the hardest fields to work in. I chose firefighting because i wanted to help and it has more humanitarian facets to the field. lets face it your either real happy a cop showed up or real unhappy.When F/F shows up hes your best friend, were not enforcing any laws for the most part and dont carry guns to do our job,which when you think about it,thats a scarey facet of their job. A carpenter brings a hammer,me,I rely on a hose line, but the po po needs a gun. think about that for a minute....My hats is off to the good ones!!

Caligula said:

Edit: found your link. Here you go.

http://m.klfy.com/display/9789/story/0da685953da822b91498cf55e4f6237e

Don't see where it mentions where his hands were behind his back when he was shot though just that the family made a statement about it.

BTW any idea if it was a through and through shot that exited out his back?

IMO this article sucks. They also said the gun used wasn't a service piece. Doesn't mention ballistics tests. Obviously it is rather lacking in detail... Do you have more info from other reputable sources we can look at?

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Top comment from the reddit page that referred me to that article (link I posted still works 4 me):

"He shot himself in the back because his hands were cuffed behind his back."
"No. He was shot in the chest."
"That's what I meant. Shot himself in the chest with his hands behind his back because we didn't check for weapons."
Edit: "Well he could have slipped his cuffed hands in front because that's really easy to do."
"Yeah! Then he shot himself and put his hands back behind him because that's how we found him!"

http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/2ed0ef/autopsy_of_22_year_old_man_that_was_handcuffed/

ou812? said:

My hats is off to the good ones!!

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could not agree more. problem is that completely honest police officers who work with integrity seem to be few and far between anymore.

as pointed out in this thread earlier 40% of the police force in this country has been accused of domestic violence. this is telling IMO. it seems to me that the profession is attractive to violent people.

and i also agree that the police have an extremely difficult job. there is no doubt about it, but that does not give the police the right to be assholes to anyone they want to. im not even talking about excessive force. im talking about just being dicks because they can. its a public service job. of which they chose to work. they should be respecting EVERY person they come into contact with until that person gives them a reason to not to. some of these guys totally get off on harassing folks.

i agree with a lot of what you say, but i also feel people just blindly give the police way too much authority.

grokit said:

Top comment from the reddit page that referred me to that article (link I posted still works 4 me):

"He shot himself in the back because his hands were cuffed behind his back."
"No. He was shot in the chest."
"That's what I meant. Shot himself in the chest with his hands behind his back because we didn't check for weapons."
Edit: "Well he could have slipped his cuffed hands in front because that's really easy to do."
"Yeah! Then he shot himself and put his hands back behind him because that's how we found him!"

http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/2ed0ef/autopsy_of_22_year_old_man_that_was_handcuffed/

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The link you posted takes me to the stations homepage for whatever reason. I had to dig through it (they need to fire their Web designer BTW) to find the article which is why i posted that other link for you.

In either case, how is a reddit comment a valid source of news? Or did I miss more? I didn't see citation there except for the same link you posted.