R.I.P. Robin Williams

grokit

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cawshook said:
Like I said I refuse to believe suicide is the only way, that's to give me hope. A combination of things sometimes is what it takes. Maybe a complete change in life where you dedicate yourself to a cause, maybe just surrounding yourself with the right environment/people. Try anything and everything. I don't claim to have the cure, and I'm not claiming its easy. Maybe he tried all that and still failed.
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I totally understand where you are coming from, and I think rw would have as well. I don't think I would say that he failed; I would say that while he obviously struggled with depression, substance abuse, and the failed relationships that these first two factors can facilitate, he was pretty successful at what he did proactively to help others. I'm positive these activities helped greatly with his internal struggles over the years.

If I was to guess: it wasn't his demons that pushed him over the edge as much as it was his parkinson's diagnosis, as he was always able to take action against these demons but an incurable illness is a whole different ballgame. He may have even done it out of not wanting to become a burden to those around him, all we can do is speculate what may have been going through his head at the time -- so this was mine.
 
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natural farmer said:
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/77351/fuck-you-robin-williams/
My feelings exactly for Robin...
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If you generalise those opinions to all depressed people that take their lives instead of helping more, and becoming selfless instead of allowing depressive thoughts to turn inward and make us selfish, then yes I agree with it about 10%, the other 90% is insane to agree with unless you are a psycho
Not so much 'fuck him' but fuck what happened :(
Frederick McGuire said:
If that honestly conveys how you feel about this whole thing, then I feel sorry for you, and you're just wrong.

Depression isn't "Oh, woe is me, I scratched my Ferrari #1stWorldProblems" it's a fucking mental illness - as in his brain wasn't entirely working right.
I can only assume you've never experienced any kind of clinical depression between yourself and those you know over the course of your life - that's great, but if you want to go and blame people for their illnesses, or actions caused by their illness, don't do it in a thread where we are trying to process things in a positive way.
Go to the fuck you thread or something, let this thread stay positive.
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As difficult as the struggle with depression has been over the years, what makes it easier to cope with is yearning to be responsible for my actions. I can see partly where the writter is coming from in that regard, but outside of that he is an insensitive prick.. and to aim that at Robin Williams? A man who has done more for the world than a pessimistic blogger will ever achieve is just sad.
 
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Deja Vu said:
If you generalise those opinions to all depressed people that take their lives instead of helping more, and becoming selfless instead of allowing depressive thoughts to turn inward and make us selfish, then yes I agree with it about 10%, the other 90% is insane to agree with unless you are a psycho
Not so much 'fuck him' but fuck what happened :(

As difficult as the struggle with depression has been over the years, what makes it easier to cope with is yearning to be responsible for my actions. I can see partly where the writter is coming from in that regard, but outside of that he is an insensitive prick.. and to aim that at Robin Williams? A man who has done more for the world than a pessimistic blogger will ever achieve is just sad.
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Fuck what happened is what that article is all about imo... I enjoy watching Robin as much as anyone. But frankly I don't care that he took his life when he had SO MUCH in life.
Thousands of species go extinct every day and the planet gets sicker by the minute cause of humans over-consuming planet's finite resources! People like Robin who want more than they need in life bring humanity to an inevitable end faster and faster. Why would I shed a tear for them?
You are looking at the tree but missing the forest my quick-to-judge friends...
 
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lwien

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natural farmer said:
Fuck what happened is what that article is all about imo... I enjoy watching Robin as much as anyone. But frankly I don't care that he took his life when he had SO MUCH in life.
Thousands of species go extinct every day and the planet gets sicker by the minute cause of humans over-consuming planet's finite resources! People like Robin who want more than they need in life bring humanity to an inevitable end faster and faster. Why would I shed a tear for them?
You are looking at the tree but missing the forest my quick-to-judge friends...
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Normally, I am never at a loss for words. I mean, I know that I can find them, but for some odd reason, I don't even feel like looking for them.
 
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lwien said:
Normally, I am never at a loss for words. I mean, I know that I can find them, but for some odd reason, I don't even feel like looking for them.
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If you don't get what I am saying I can explain to you in a PM. DONT BE RUDE MAN... Rude boy is already reported. If you don't like what I am saying just move on. Feel free to ignore me from now on. I am entitled to an opinion as much as anyone.
 
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CarolKing

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natural farmer said:
Fuck what happened is what that article is all about imo... I enjoy watching Robin as much as anyone. But frankly I don't care that he took his life when he had SO MUCH in life.
Thousands of species go extinct every day and the planet gets sicker by the minute cause of humans over-consuming planet's finite resources! People like Robin who want more than they need in life bring humanity to an inevitable end faster and faster. Why would I shed a tear for them?
You are looking at the tree but missing the forest my quick-to-judge friends...
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It's hard to understand your logic how it fits into the death of a human being who was sick and had a mental illness. I guess it seems a little insensitive and cold IMO. You stated you're opinion and I stated mine. I feel very defensive of Robin Williams and I think others do to.
 
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While I agree there is 0 need to be rude, if you are going to post an opinion as such in a public venue, you should expect to have to quantify and even defend your position.

It would be no different than if you were to say one vape was better than another in one of the technical threads. If I were to do that I would need to give reasoning otherwise I'd fully expect to get called out on it.

I have my own opinions on the matter but I typically wait for any emotion to go away before posting. Saves me a lot of problems that way.
 
natural farmer

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Why should I be sensitive for the death of one rich entertainer when hundreds or thousands of people die every day along with gazillions of other earthlings cause of the harm the modern western civilisation does to this planet? Maybe I take this too far but why shouldn't I? I am cold, yes. And angry as well. He went on entertaining troops that killed so many innocent people. Was he sensitive cause he gave a lot of money to save a few as well?
 
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natural farmer said:
If you don't get what I am saying I can explain to you in a PM. DONT BE RUDE MAN... Rude boy is already reported. If you don't like what I am saying just move on. Feel free to ignore me from now on. I am entitled to an opinion as much as anyone.
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This is not the place to present your views on depression or how one person's death compares to the problems of the planet.

From the rules page- No trolling. Please do not make posts that disrupt the peace and harmony of this board. Don’t post for or the purpose of starting a dispute.

Your intent may not have been to start a dispute, but that's what it amounts to in view of the circumstances. You need to pick your battles in life and this is one to take a pass on, at least in this thread.
 
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max said:
This is not the place to present your views on depression or how one person's death compares to the problems of the planet.

From the rules page- No trolling. Please do not make posts that disrupt the peace and harmony of this board. Don’t post for or the purpose of starting a dispute.

Your intent may not have been to start a dispute, but that's what it amounts to in view of the circumstances. You need to pick your battles in life and this is one to take a pass on, at least in this thread.
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My first post was not trolling. It was just a different opinion. Some people got offended and started attacking me. And I am the troll ??? So whenever someone posts something that is in contrast to the main opinions disrupts the peace and harmony??? It is getting crazy around here...
 
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Some people got offended and started attacking me.
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And it's disappointing that you'd expect anything else.

So whenever someone posts something that is in contrast to the main opinions disrupts the peace and harmony???
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It's not whenever, it's when we determine that it is, and it is in this case.

We also have this rule, which now applies here- Public discussions of staff decisions are not permitted on the site.
 
lwien

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natural farmer said:
My first post was not trolling. It was just a different opinion. Some people got offended and started attacking me. And I am the troll ??? So whenever someone posts something that is in contrast to the main opinions disrupts the peace and harmony??? It is getting crazy around here...
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This is like if you went into a Jewish Synagogue on the High Holidays and yelled, I hate Jews. Or going to the Vatican and yelling that Catholics are full of shit, or for that matter, doing with the Westboro Baptist church does when they go to gay funerals with posters stating that "God hates Fags". These people could also state that, "Hey, I'm just stating an opinion."

You really shouldn't be surprised that you are getting some major blow-black, nor should you be surprised that you may be escorted out of here, much like what would happen in the examples above.

There are appropriate venues to state an opinion, but to come into, what is basically a Robin Williams eulogy thread and yell that you don't give a shit that he died, is typical to the above stated analogies, but of course, I'm also not surprised that you can't recognize this for if you did, you wouldn't have done what you did in the first place.

Fuck, as much as I didn't want to search for words, I sometimes just can't help myself.
 
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Stu

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He's got 4 movies "in the can" and yet to be released. It's going to be interesting (and probably depressingly sad for me) to hear the promos for these films when I'm sure they'll undoubtedly say " (come see our film bla bla bla) and watch one of his last performances". I hope the promotion for these upcoming films is respectful and that they don't try to exploit the sad situation to the "benefit" of the studios.

We'll find out soon enough, I guess.

:peace:
 
syrupy

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Stu said:
He's got 4 movies "in the can" and yet to be released. It's going to be interesting (and probably depressingly sad for me) to hear the promos for these films when I'm sure they'll undoubtedly say " (come see our film bla bla bla) and watch one of his last performances". I hope the promotion for these upcoming films is respectful and that they don't try to exploit the sad situation to the "benefit" of the studios.

We'll find out soon enough, I guess.

:peace:
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I hate that kind of exploitation. Since most artists (actors) don't die at the very top of their careers, it ends up feeling like over-inflating lesser material just because it was the last few efforts. RW seems in that mold, in that his more recent movies seem too soft to be compete with his best work. Edit: In a sick way, Heath Ledger nailed his exit timing.

I'll never forget Robin and Jonathan getting so far off script on Mork & Mindy, it was like the TV was shaking from the comedic power. Miss you.
 
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Would it be too late to go back and experience Mork and Mindy? The first Robin Williams I had ever seen was Mrs Doubtfire at a drive-in cinema when I was about 5 years old. Loved him ever since, but his standup routines were by far the highlight of his life for me.
 
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Deja Vu said:
Would it be too late to go back and experience Mork and Mindy? The first Robin Williams I had ever seen was Mrs Doubtfire at a drive-in cinema when I was about 5 years old. Loved him ever since, but his standup routines were by far the highlight of his life for me.
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If the cheesy look of fashion back then doesn't bother you, I'd say go for it. There are so many moments when it's clear he's just vibing with the comedy...flowing...and that bright glimmer in his eyes is worth any price.

Also, if you can find the episode of Happy Days that first brought Mork from Ork to life, it's a hoot. The character is played a little more sinister.

Edit: I think it's a testament to the genius of Robin Williams that he found something human and universal in Mork, and turned him into such a lovable character with that child's sense of wonder. There were some genuinely heartwrenching moments to the show where we see Mork's childlike innocence go through the same growing pains we all experience in trying to understand the world.
 
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syrupy said:
If the cheesy look of fashion back then doesn't bother you, I'd say go for it. There are so many moments when it's clear he's just vibing with the comedy...flowing...and that bright glimmer in his eyes is worth any price.

Also, if you can find the episode of Happy Days that first brought Mork from Ork to life, it's a hoot. The character is played a little more sinister.
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I'll make a night of it!

 
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