My secret to THC E-Cig PG-Liquid... Potent, Effective, Cheap, Easy!!!

urfriend1 · Aug 14, 2014

Hey everybody, been following this extremely informative thread for a few weeks now. Been getting into waxes an concentrates the last couple months and finally ordered my ejmix, protank and battery to get vaping my goods.

Now, still stealth is something I'm definitely striving for, any suggestions for mixing 0 nicotine ejuice to give it a scent and flavor? I figure PG only mix would be the way to go but I want to buy some local and on the off chance I can't find 100% pg ejuice, will ejuice with a small vg % mix well with the ejmix? I plan on doing my first test run with .5 bho and .75ml ejmix, and and increase/decreasing from there. Any idea according to this ratio how much flavored ejuice I should put?

Thanks for the help, gonna make the mixture after the weekend, so look forward to the suggestion. Thanks!

ollent · Aug 14, 2014

2clicker said:
nice report!

get yourself a mod and some 18650s and forget about the ego batteries. then you can stop worrying about running out of power.

Haywood said:
Haven't noticed one; got a link, perhaps.
I have an 18650 copper mod that it works much better on, as well as a two-18650 wood mod with a DNA20 that looks like a tiny 2x4. Maybe I'll use the Nautilus with e-juice for a while...

This is Greek to me. Can I maybe have a link to whatever it is we're talking about here?

AND, as long as we're asking questions, I just got a line on PEG-whateverthehellIwant from a scientist-type friend. Does anyone have an ideal ratio of 400/300/200?

2clicker · Aug 15, 2014

ollent said:
This is Greek to me. Can I maybe have a link to whatever it is we're talking about here?

AND, as long as we're asking questions, I just got a line on PEG-whateverthehellIwant from a scientist-type friend. Does anyone have an ideal ratio of 400/300/200?

a mod is a handle that holds a rechargeable battery. some are mechanical and mostly look like metal tubes for the most part. others come is dif shapes and sizes and can have variable power settings. you attach the atomizer to it just like you would with an ego battery.

the batteries come in different sizes and discharge rates. the number 18650 refers to the size of the cell. 18 = diameter and 650 (or 65 really) = the length in mm. the 18650 is the most popular size of cell for ecig use and are everywhere. they can last considerably longer than any ego battery can. and if you have more than one then you can pop a new one in if the current one needs to be charged.

ego batteries have their place, but if you find yourself running out of power often then an upgrade to a larger cell is in order.

just google "mechanical mod" or "ecig mod" for pics and online retailers. then check out the battery offerings for those mods. i would post a link, but there are sooooooooo many dif options and retailers.

215z · Aug 15, 2014

ollent said:
Does anyone have an ideal ratio of 400/300/200?

@Liquidizer does, but he's not telling! I've considered experimenting, and was going to start with equal volumes of PG/PEG200/PEG300/PEG400. That guy has tried all kinds of combinations of glycols, and I reward his effort and temerity buy buying his EJMix. But, I don't have access to free pharma-grade glycols like your friend does, so enjoy

urfriend1 said:
Now, still stealth is something I'm definitely striving for, any suggestions for mixing 0 nicotine ejuice to give it a scent and flavor?

I find that nic ejuice has no particular smell, regardless of how rich and flavorful its vape tastes. I think mixing bho+ejmix+flavor won't change how it smells to others, it only will change how it tastes to you. My bho clouds don't smell like weed in the first place, though.

urfriend1 said:
I figure PG only mix would be the way to go but I want to buy some local and on the off chance I can't find 100% pg ejuice, will ejuice with a small vg % mix well with the ejmix?

Yes. It won't work as well with high VG juices, but low VG should be fine. Depends on how much EJmix you have in there.

urfriend1 said:
I plan on doing my first test run with .5 bho and .75ml ejmix, and and increase/decreasing from there.

If you are starting with .5g bho, I would start with .25ml ejmix, and increase from there. You can't decrease, ie you can't go backwards if you put in too much ejmix to start with.

urfriend1 · Aug 15, 2014

215Z, thanks! I'm not a smoker, never used an ecig before besides a puff here or there. Some ejuice I've seen thick clouds without a smell, there was one in particular, i think it was like a hard candy flavor, that did smell. But after hearing from your experience I think I'm just going to do pure BHO my first run. See how that turns out flavor and scent wise, I love the taste of BHO so would imagine I'll like the taste of this.

I'll be sure to follow up after the weekend with my results. Can't wait. Any other advice or suggestions would be only a help.

ollent · Aug 15, 2014

HAH! Had no idea @Liquidizer was on this forum. Props on your mix! I've bought a batch myself. I may even be too lazy to bother mixing my own.

So I've now spent the morning researching mechanical mods vs. VV/VW 18650s. I think I'm going with the latter because I don't know jack about battery safety. Picked out a Sigelei Zmax. Just had 2 more questions before I pull the trigger:

1) Am I right to go VV/VW? The only thing I'll be using this with is this nautilus mini tank. Not planning on rebuilding atties or anything. If mech is better, how do I avoid blowing myself up?

2) If I go VV/VW, can someone please explain the VW component and how it works with our m-juice? In my existing VV-spinner, the 3.4 setting seems the best, as 3.8 winds up being very harsh (scorched oil?). How would this change with access to VW?

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And as for ejuice to BHO, I've been just following the directions on the bottle of ejmix -- 1ml : 1g of concentrates. I'm getting fairly ripped off of four or five pulls. Could I actually reduce this ratio even further?

Thanks for your help, @2clicker and @215z

2clicker · Aug 15, 2014

ollent said:
HAH! Had no idea @Liquidizer was on this forum. Props on your mix! I've bought a batch myself. I may even be too lazy to bother mixing my own.

So I've now spent the morning researching mechanical mods vs. VV/VW 18650s. I think I'm going with the latter because I don't know jack about battery safety. Picked out a Sigelei Zmax. Just had 2 more questions before I pull the trigger:

1) Am I right to go VV/VW? The only thing I'll be using this with is this nautilus mini tank. Not planning on rebuilding atties or anything. If mech is better, how do I avoid blowing myself up?

2) If I go VV/VW, can someone please explain the VW component and how it works with our m-juice? In my existing VV-spinner, the 3.4 setting seems the best, as 3.8 winds up being very harsh (scorched oil?). How would this change with access to VW?

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And as for ejuice to BHO, I've been just following the directions on the bottle of ejmix -- 1ml : 1g of concentrates. I'm getting fairly ripped off of four or five pulls. Could I actually reduce this ratio even further?

Thanks for your help, @2clicker and @215z

yes you can mix it for more potency. users here do it all the time. it just has to be runny enough to wick. a .5:1 ratio i hear works well.

regarding the mods... i do t think you need vv/vw unless you are building your own coils and running sub ohm set ups.

mechanical are safe as long as you dont stress he battery. just make sure your battery can handle your coils resistance and you are totally safe.

Skored · Aug 15, 2014

urfriend1 said:
Can't wait. Any other advice or suggestions would be only a help.

You'll find a couple things about smell with BHO. The first is that it does smell, but it will not be totally identifiable with the smell of bud, and it's faint and disappears quickly. Also, when mixed with EJ mix, it will reduce the smell even further. I do agree to start small with you mix to BHO ratio, and wouldn't advise going any higher than 50/50.

If you're really looking for stealth and wan't to diminish smell as much as possible, then you need to burn off the lower temperature monoterpenes (the flowery smell stuff). Some will say that this would be crazy as every single monoterpene is precious. And this is true, but it won't affect the "high", the taste will drop a bit, but the smell goes close to nonexistent. This can be achieved by placing your BHO is an oven at a precise 200 degrees for about 15-20 minutes. The liquidizer people say to do this with the actual bud before extraction to achieve the desired stealth. However, I've tried it with just the oil and it seems to have a similar effect.

Try using it without the "toasting" and gauge what people say about the smell. Then try toasting. See if there is a difference.

ollent · Aug 15, 2014

2clicker said:
regarding the mods... i do t think you need vv/vw unless you are building your own coils and running sub ohm set ups.

Noooooope, won't be doing that.

mechanical are safe as long as you dont stress he battery. just make sure your battery can handle your coils resistance and you are totally safe.

The resistance is 1.8ohm. How do I make that determination? Ask the folks at the ecig store?

2clicker · Aug 15, 2014

ollent said:
Noooooope, won't be doing that.

The resistance is 1.8ohm. How do I make that determination? Ask the folks at the ecig store?

you can. or there are grids online you can view. someone posted a good one somewhere in this thread. ill look later.

i can tell you tho that at 1.8ohms you can run just about any protected cell you want w/out fear. i suggest looking at the efest purple cells to start. you can run those sub ohm no sweat so at your 1.8phm coil... that is right in the batteries wheelhouse.

GR · Aug 15, 2014

ollent said:
Noooooope, won't be doing that.

The resistance is 1.8ohm. How do I make that determination? Ask the folks at the ecig store?

Here is a bit on understanding VV/VW mods plus it has a Volt ohm chart. http://www.vapertrain.com/page/utvvb
Basically VW is going to adjust the volts to match your resistance of the atomizer, so adjusting the watts keeps you in a safe range for your atomizer. When you only have Vv you have to be careful not to override the Volts or you burn out the atomizer hence the math work or charts.

Btw I am really loving the kanger aero tanks, I have a few pt3 mini and aero mini's. In the mini's I think the aero tank is a waste of money, the aero needs the airflow at almost closed to match what the stock pt3 already flows at. The 3ml aero tank has a much better airflow system that is sealed at the bottom so it contains any drips that the atomizer may let through, this means no more sticky battery connections and is easy to just ISO soak the airflow base to clean.

kazz · Aug 15, 2014

ollent said:
The resistance is 1.8ohm. How do I make that determination? Ask the folks at the ecig store?

At 1.8 ohm just about any protected or safe chemistry battery will be fine. I know a lot of people here like the Efest batteries. I personally prefer AW batts.

Haywood · Aug 15, 2014

The advantage to VV or VW over mech is that you can adjust the power to your coil to "tune" it to you satisfaction. If your hits are mostly tasting burnt, you can lower the power; if your hits are wispy and mostly non-existant, you can raise the power.

With a pure mech, you can't tune the hit except by winding your own coils and selecting a resistance that works the way you want. I recommend a VV or VW mod...

GR · Aug 15, 2014

Haywood said:
The advantage to VV or VW over mech is that you can adjust the power to your coil to "tune" it to you satisfaction. If your hits are mostly tasting burnt, you can lower the power; if your hits are wispy and mostly non-existant, you can raise the power.

With a pure mech, you can't tune the hit except by winding your own coils and selecting a resistance that works the way you want. I recommend a VV or VW mod...

I don't share the same opinion, I love that VW mods are around now. Ohms change from build up and usage slightly over time and a 2 OhM cart is not always 2 ohms so having a mod that does the math for you is very nice, but if you want to run VV you just switch from VW to VV, variety is the spice of life, lol. Much of my opinion is from doing ejuices and changing tanks all day, countless times I have gone from a tank with a 1.3ohm atomizer to a 2.3ohm and was pushing the volts for a particular juice at 1.3 and burned my 2.3 atomizer up instantly at my volt setting, this no longer can happen with VW. Just my opinion and two cents. I do think when it comes to spiked juice VV and knowledge of what you are doing is easier to fine tune so I think I get what you are saying, however from a newb or just stoned perspective it is hard to screw up VW.

Haywood · Aug 16, 2014

I wasn't comparing VV to VW mods, I was comparing mechanical (non-adjustable) mods to electronic mods. If you're going to use different atty's with a VV device, you gotta understand ohm's law.

I have both VV and VW mods, and I understand the difference, and I too generally recommend VW over VV, but keep in mind the smallest VW device (the itaste VV V3) is considerably larger than a eGo style VV device (like a Vision Spinner 450mAh VV eGo style battery).

GR · Aug 16, 2014

@Haywood, my bad, read to quick, jet lag, very vaped, been taste testing a bunch of different hard ciders, lol.

I like my itaste vv but need two to get through the day and if the day is long best for me to charge one to make sure I can get through the night. I have some eGo 450mAh batteries but not VV, still they are nice for stealth. Since I gave up combusting tobacco I find the bigger mods for the 18350 and 18650 are easiest to go and not worry about power. Still the itaste vv v3 with a mini tank is elegant IMO.

ollent · Sep 14, 2014

All right, a month later:

I'm now rocking a Sergei Zmax VV/VW with the Natulus mini. I've only burnt out one Atty so far. I'm using EJMix as directed on the bottle -- roughly 1ml : 1g.

I'm having some issues with the mix, and would like some advice. Smoking this long term results in a *lot* of mucus production for me, unlike other nic-based ecig products I've tried. After a few hours of rocking the vape, I start to feel like my throat is coated in PEG instead of the good stuff.

Do I need to thin this with something? Or should I consider going the d-limonene route? I'd love to know what the dispensaries around here are actually selling in their disposables, because it hits *much* more cleanly than what I've got here.

When I tried to reduce the amount of EJ Mix I used, the mix seemed to separate from the solids in the tank, which necessitated reheating it. I'm not sure this is because I was hasty in mixing, or because I used too little mix.

edit: p.s., the mini *finally* leaked when I was heating (with a lighter) some mixture to get it back into solution following a hasty mix -- but hasn't leaked under normal operating conditions once. I've dropped it numerous times, still going strong. will probably need a touch of maintenance after i mix the next batch in order to clear the intake holes.

2clicker · Sep 14, 2014

ollent said:
All right, a month later:

I'm now rocking a Sergei Zmax VV/VW with the Natulus mini. I've only burnt out one Atty so far. I'm using EJMix as directed on the bottle -- roughly 1ml : 1g.

I'm having some issues with the mix, and would like some advice. Smoking this long term results in a *lot* of mucus production for me, unlike other nic-based ecig products I've tried. After a few hours of rocking the vape, I start to feel like my throat is coated in PEG instead of the good stuff.

Do I need to thin this with something? Or should I consider going the d-limonene route? I'd love to know what the dispensaries around here are actually selling in their disposables, because it hits *much* more cleanly than what I've got here.

the first thing that comes to mind is to use less ejmix in yer ratio. next time try 1g to .5ml of mix. it will be thicker, but should still wick just fine. lots of users here use this ratio with great success including myself.

ollent · Sep 14, 2014

2clicker said:
the first thing that comes to mind is to use less ejmix in yer ratio. next time try 1g to .5ml of mix. it will be thicker, but should still wick just fine. lots of users here use this ratio with great success including myself.

When I used less mix last time, it would wick little tunnels like an ant farm and wouldn't collapse in on itself. Is this an issue with getting the concentrate into solution, or an issue with the ratio?

Roth · Sep 14, 2014

I always use a VERY low ratio of EJMix to concentrate. Usually in the range of 15% by volume. The liquid will be thick, but have no issues wicking.

However, it should be noted that I typically winterize my solution prior to mixing. I believe removing the waxes allows me to use less EJMix then had I not winterized. This is also why I do my measurements by volume, and not weight. After I winterize, and evaporate off nearly all the Everclear, I suck up the mixture into a syringe. I see how many mL's it is, and add enough EJMix so the EJMix represents about 15% of the total volume.

The exception would be my last batch. I picked up something labeled as "King's Nectar". Nectar really does describe it. It's SUPER viscous, but definitely a liquid. It might take hours to creep down the side of a container. However, its clarity was unbelievable. Super light color too. I didn't bother to winterize that batch, since it was already liquid. Definitely the right decision, this stuff kicks ass. Just hoping I can find some more of it!

kazz · Sep 14, 2014

ollent said:
All right, a month later:

I'm having some issues with the mix, and would like some advice. Smoking this long term results in a *lot* of mucus production for me, unlike other nic-based ecig products I've tried. After a few hours of rocking the vape, I start to feel like my throat is coated in PEG instead of the good stuff.

Do I need to thin this with something? Or should I consider going the d-limonene route? I'd love to know what the dispensaries around here are actually selling in their disposables, because it hits *much* more cleanly than what I've got here.

I don't care for super concentrated juice. I like to be able to control my buzz and not just get blown away on the first hit.

So, I use a minimal amount of the EJ Mix to mix with the BHO and dissolve it. Usually just a few drops. Then I dilute this with my normal PG. I haven't tried VG or my normal nicotine mix. I haven't had any problems with separation.

If you don't need a single hit to do the job--you might try diluting with regular PG.

Good Luck!

2clicker · Sep 14, 2014

ollent said:
When I used less mix last time, it would wick little tunnels like an ant farm and wouldn't collapse in on itself. Is this an issue with getting the concentrate into solution, or an issue with the ratio?

interesting. i have not experienced this. does it wick at all like this? my only advice would be to slowly add more ejmix until it starts to wick well.

kazz said:
I don't care for super concentrated juice. I like to be able to control my buzz and not just get blown away on the first hit.

So, I use a minimal amount of the EJ Mix to mix with the BHO and dissolve it. Usually just a few drops. Then I dilute this with my normal PG. I haven't tried VG or my normal nicotine mix. I haven't had any problems with separation.

If you don't need a single hit to do the job--you might try diluting with regular PG.

Good Luck!

this can be achieved with ejmix alone as well.

215z · Sep 14, 2014

I agree with @Roth that more ejmix is needed, the more plant wax is in the concentrate.

ollent said:
Do I need to thin this with something? Or should I consider going the d-limonene route? I'd love to know what the dispensaries around here are actually selling in their disposables, because it hits *much* more cleanly than what I've got here.

O-pen cartridges use straight PEG400. Pure Gold use d-limonene.

@ollent how are you mixing your ejmix with your concentrate?

ollent · Sep 14, 2014

@ollent how are you mixing your ejmix with your concentrate?[/QUOTE]
Following the instructions in the bottle -- 37 drops (now 18):1g of material, heat up to temp using water and/or repeated 10 second bursts in the microwave. I'm stirring for considerably longer than the 5 minute recommendation to get all of the concentrate to fall into solution.

The mention of King's Nectar makes me wonder though -- I've been mixing shatter rather than an oil. Should I be purchasing differently? I thought that either would work.

@2clicker: Can I add ejmix to the contents that are already in there? I figured you'd have to make a new batch of solution to get it to dissolve?

2clicker · Sep 14, 2014

ollent said:
@ollent how are you mixing your ejmix with your concentrate?

Following the instructions in the bottle -- 37 drops (now 18):1g of material, heat up to temp using water and/or repeated 10 second bursts in the microwave. I'm stirring for considerably longer than the 5 minute recommendation to get all of the concentrate to fall into solution.

The mention of King's Nectar makes me wonder though -- I've been mixing shatter rather than an oil. Should I be purchasing differently? I thought that either would work.

@2clicker: Can I add ejmix to the contents that are already in there? I figured you'd have to make a new batch of solution to get it to dissolve?[/QUOTE]

you probably could, but i would suck it put of there with a syringe and warm it with some more ejmix in another vessel... or whatever you mixed it in originally. then suck it back into the syringe and finally back into your tank.

shatter works beautifully

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