MikeInMiami
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My set up using SSV tubing and my rooster
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Discontinued The Herbalizer
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My set up using SSV tubing and my rooster
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Vinnie01
Member
If you look close you can see the little piece of the whip .. I can't stress enough how much more enjoyable this makes filling bags. Still haven't tried the ssv hose as a whip .. Bags are too effortless. Thinking about grabbing a nice small water piece now
.. How hasn't the company offered this simple solution to customers though. The bags leak a lot... This makes it work like it should. 700$ For this vape, I would expect bags not to leak ... It's so basic yet crucial. How long does it take to develop a piece of tubing that enables the device to work?
Just used the pn water tool with 3 bags back to back to back! Ahhhhh cooooolerr!
Been Vapin
Fringe Class
Bag hooked up to hydra tube? Interesting.
Nice setups everybody. Inspiring.
Nice setups everybody. Inspiring.
letter never sent
reckoner
@Vinnie01 I agree that a fix should be available by now. I'm actually more concerned with the valves leaking after being removed from the unit. They don't seal properly. I rarely use the bags because of this.
Luckily, the whip is nearly perfect. Still, I would like the bag issues to be addressed so I can enjoy them more.
Luckily, the whip is nearly perfect. Still, I would like the bag issues to be addressed so I can enjoy them more.
nigel
And shepherds we shall be,for Accuracy & Discovery
Hey, just saw this on the site.
http://www.herbalizer.com/squeeze-valve-balloon-survey/
Looks like the Herbalizer guys have been listening to some of the concerns and would like a bit more information from people. I'm filling out my form right now, and if you are an owner, you should probably too.
http://www.herbalizer.com/squeeze-valve-balloon-survey/
Looks like the Herbalizer guys have been listening to some of the concerns and would like a bit more information from people. I'm filling out my form right now, and if you are an owner, you should probably too.
grokit
well-worn member
Hey, just saw this on the site.
http://www.herbalizer.com/squeeze-valve-balloon-survey/
Looks like the Herbalizer guys have been listening to some of the concerns and would like a bit more information from people. I'm filling out my form right now, and if you are an owner, you should probably too.
There's also a new win a free herbalizer (+ other prizes) contest on facebook; you get one entry for "liking" them, and up to eight more entries if you want to authorize the facebook app for the contest.
MikeInMiami
Well-Known Member
I filled out the survey, it's nice to see them colllecting public opinions and trying to get feedback on their product. And who knows, maybe one of our ideas might turn into the Herbie V2
Vinnie01
Member
Bags still leak with a little piece of SSV tubing 
Starting to hate on the herbie again ...
The whip performs MUCH better using the SSV hose IMHO. You can use the fan to compare the original whip and the SSV one ... There's really a big big difference in my opinion. I can use the whip without fan assist using the SSV whip .. With the original it seemed much harder
Starting to hate on the herbie again ...
The whip performs MUCH better using the SSV hose IMHO. You can use the fan to compare the original whip and the SSV one ... There's really a big big difference in my opinion. I can use the whip without fan assist using the SSV whip .. With the original it seemed much harder
Vinnie01
Member
Don't get me wrong - it produces good vapor .... But so do my solo and other vapes. Also, the herbie looks nice and heats up quickly. Other than that ... I don't see what I paid for. It literally does not work. I bought it mainly to fill bags ... Also when with friends it mainly get used to fill bags. It fills bags .. But not well. Every time I use the bag I get frustrated. In groups of people everyone notices the leaking vapor too. We've done the volcano/herbie comparison several times... Besides heating up quicker the herbie isn't doing well. How could it be a volcano killer when vapor steadily streams into the air as you fill bags... And when you smoke them. Like I said .. The only way I can use this thing is with a SSV whip. What I once thought was a robust vaporizer has been relegated to a one method of delivery vape.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
I posted a while back about the tolerance issue with their bags. I don't use them much either due to the leaking, although I had one work well two nights ago. They are re-doing the bags at some point, but I don't think they are there yet...
I've only had my Herbalizer for 2 & 1/2 weeks, but I've noticed that for my purposes this vaporizer is much better than the volcano. Yes, I do agree that the bag system could be *much* better, but where this vaporizer shines (other than heat-up time and why I think it's on top right now) is the accurate and consistent temperature control. If you wanted a vape that just created vapor, then yes most any vaporizer on the market will work. However, I find that I can now use my bud throughout the day. Before it was difficult to control dosing and get the desired effects without going over the top and ruining the next hour or two of activities.
Again I also strongly agree the bag system must be updated, if the company wants to advertise the versatility of this vaporizer. The Volcano does have the best bag system on the market at the moment.
letter never sent
reckoner
I'm confident they'll get the bags right. Hopefully soon. Luckily it should be a relatively easy fix with no need to modify the unit itself.
As I've mentioned before, I rarely use the bags, but I still feel like I got what I paid for. The precision and extraction offered by the Herbalizer seems pretty unparalleled at the moment. It really changed the way I use cannabis. I have so much more control over my dosage now and the hits are so consistent and flavorful. It almost never tastes bad and doesn't irritate my throat or lungs. I love it.
As I've mentioned before, I rarely use the bags, but I still feel like I got what I paid for. The precision and extraction offered by the Herbalizer seems pretty unparalleled at the moment. It really changed the way I use cannabis. I have so much more control over my dosage now and the hits are so consistent and flavorful. It almost never tastes bad and doesn't irritate my throat or lungs. I love it.
nigel
And shepherds we shall be,for Accuracy & Discovery
Sticks -- See my post above with the link to the survey. (http://www.herbalizer.com/squeeze-valve-balloon-survey/) I think we all suspected a few changes with the bags, but soliciting public comment I think is a fairly clear sign that things are in the works.
Although people here have reported issues with the bags (leaks, etc), the only time I recall people reporting performance issues with the bags is when the bowl has been overfilled, thus impeding airflow, thus impeding bag fill. (I am one of those people.) Your "doesn't work" is incredibly vague, but if you are packing the bowl, try a half-fill loosely packed. The people that are doing that are quite happy with the bag production.
You beat me to making this point while typing above replies.
Perhaps @Vinnie01 is just the kind that sets to max temp and hits it large. In that case any kind of temperature control (outside of on/off) is unnecessary. But in my thinking, that kind of approach is a relic from the combustion days, which was also very binary. (not combusting vs. combusting)
Being able to have temp control opens a whole new world to vaping. As you rightly point out, it grants one the ability to tailor one's high. This opens a whole new world to the combuster that can be difficult to grasp until they try it. (I usually explain it as something akin to trying different strains, and that helps.) And for medicinal patients this can be even more important as it will allow some degree of targeting compounds and the exclusion of others.
A lot of the R&D here went into precision temp control. To buy a unit that was designed with that as a prominent feature, and not use it, seems like a waste to me. As you point out, there are plenty of devices that will just produce vapor indiscriminately and if that is your goal, those can be quite cheap.
But to compare the volcano to the Herbalizer on just the basis of "does it produce vapor?" one might as well use the criteria of "does it turn on and off?" as an equal measure.
Vinnie01
Member
You're right I do just crank it up and go at the highest temp lolSticks -- See my post above with the link to the survey. (http://www.herbalizer.com/squeeze-valve-balloon-survey/) I think we all suspected a few changes with the bags, but soliciting public comment I think is a fairly clear sign that things are in the works.
Although people here have reported issues with the bags (leaks, etc), the only time I recall people reporting performance issues with the bags is when the bowl has been overfilled, thus impeding airflow, thus impeding bag fill. (I am one of those people.) Your "doesn't work" is incredibly vague, but if you are packing the bowl, try a half-fill loosely packed. The people that are doing that are quite happy with the bag production.
You beat me to making this point while typing above replies.
Perhaps @Vinnie01 is just the kind that sets to max temp and hits it large. In that case any kind of temperature control (outside of on/off) is unnecessary. But in my thinking, that kind of approach is a relic from the combustion days, which was also very binary. (not combusting vs. combusting)
Being able to have temp control opens a whole new world to vaping. As you rightly point out, it grants one the ability to tailor one's high. This opens a whole new world to the combuster that can be difficult to grasp until they try it. (I usually explain it as something akin to trying different strains, and that helps.) And for medicinal patients this can be even more important as it will allow some degree of targeting compounds and the exclusion of others.
A lot of the R&D here went into precision temp control. To buy a unit that was designed with that as a prominent feature, and not use it, seems like a waste to me. As you point out, there are plenty of devices that will just produce vapor indiscriminately and if that is your goal, those can be quite cheap.
But to compare the volcano to the Herbalizer on just the basis of "does it produce vapor?" one might as well use the criteria of "does it turn on and off?" as an equal measure.
nigel
And shepherds we shall be,for Accuracy & Discovery
HAHAHAHA! Nailed it.
Well, allow me to encourage you at some point to try different temp points out. (The Herbie has three different suggested ranges that might be a starting point.) You might find after a few sessions you get different enjoyment out of different temps. Or you might not care, but at least you tried so you know.
Cheers!
Chill Dude
Well-Known Member
I still don't understand what's wrong with the original stock whip? I'm also wondering why you cut your whip to half length? Is it just for convenience and storage or do you find you get quicker and thicker vapor by shortening the whip?
The only thing I've noticed with the stock whip is that it takes an inordinate amount of draw time to get good vapor for the first 2 or 3 hits off of a fresh bowl. Or perhaps it just takes a couple of hits to get the herb heated through the convection process??
Been Vapin
Fringe Class
I'm still crushing bowls in one hit using stock whip @445 w/fan assist.
Draw slowly and Stand up when taking a hit. Concentrate on your draw. Don't over pack the bowl.
Edit. Apparently laying down gives one the greatest lung capicty and highest quality of breathing.
http://www.colorado.edu/eeb/courses/1230jbasey/abstracts 2008/18.htm
Draw slowly and Stand up when taking a hit. Concentrate on your draw. Don't over pack the bowl.
Edit. Apparently laying down gives one the greatest lung capicty and highest quality of breathing.
http://www.colorado.edu/eeb/courses/1230jbasey/abstracts 2008/18.htm
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Chill Dude
Well-Known Member
Well, I'm getting great vapor using the stock whip too. It just seems like it takes 2 or 3 hits to get the vapor really flowing. So are you saying you get thick vapor even on the first hit using fan assist?
Vitolo
Vaporist
I cut it in length because I do not need my vapor depositing itself on twice as much hose.
I prefer a shorter vapor path.
The vapor is the same....
Thick and rich, no matter what tube I use.
(or no tube, just my 2 inch glass piece)
FaceDownScutUp
Well-Known Member
When I was recording tryout tapes my choir director always made me lay on my back while singing. You feel ridiculous but it's totally true!
I find that diaphragmatic breathing is also important for big draws.
Been Vapin
Fringe Class
@Chill Dude I am getting super thick vapor on the first hit. It extracts so well on the first hit that the 2nd hit is almost nonexistent. I find myself having to put on exhaust fan after one or two fresh hits becuase it clouds my room out very quickly. There is very little thin vapor produced on my 2nd hit. I don't mess with the 3rd with flowers.
Material, moisture,grind, bowl pack size, etc may have something to with it? I am getting lungbhsting 1st rips that fog out the room.
@Vitolo I am cutting my whip right now.
Material, moisture,grind, bowl pack size, etc may have something to with it? I am getting lungbhsting 1st rips that fog out the room.
@Vitolo I am cutting my whip right now.
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Chill Dude
Well-Known Member
I think I'll start at higher temp. right from the get go next time. I usually start at around 390F and work my way up to 445F. Next session I'll start at like 420F with fan assist and see if I can get thick lung busters with the first hit....
As to whip length, I think I'll cut one to half length, but keep another at original length. Here's why:
The shorter whip will be easier to clean and maintain and might be best for medicating alone. However, I've found the length of the stock whip advantageous when vaping in social settings as it's easy to pass the whip around without moving the entire unit. You know, the times when you're vaping a heavy indica in a group setting and everyone sinks deeper and deeper into the sofa..LOL. The longer whip would just be more practical in that setting....
As to whip length, I think I'll cut one to half length, but keep another at original length. Here's why:
The shorter whip will be easier to clean and maintain and might be best for medicating alone. However, I've found the length of the stock whip advantageous when vaping in social settings as it's easy to pass the whip around without moving the entire unit. You know, the times when you're vaping a heavy indica in a group setting and everyone sinks deeper and deeper into the sofa..LOL. The longer whip would just be more practical in that setting....
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