Kleen extract

NickDlow

NickDlow

Log Hog
My last run of KX I had a 19% yeild and that was a 10 min wash.

I'm just did a wash of 10g's of middle of the road high grade buds that I cut up with a scissor. I did a 3 min wash with a swirl every min on the min. It is evaping right now I'll share my results when I can.

I'll also be doing another 10g wash with a 5 min wash time see if there is any difference.
 
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Skored

Well-Known Member
These are all good experiments to share. I'm starting to wonder that the only variables where we differ can be freezer temperature or the amount of KX used. In other words, is there a saturation point where a certain amount of KX or Everclear used will only be able to pick up a certain yield. If one were to double the amount of KX, would that pick up more and negate a second wash...

If we all share ratios, we might be able to figure out if this is true. My ratio is 1/2 cup to 7 grams bud. @DieHard seemed to be double that ratio. And then there's the question of whether or not to go for high yield. The benefit to lower yield more washes seems to be different properties for each end product - the first being more heady and the second being more sedative. One wash that has a higher yield could be more of a broad spectrum, as if you were mixing your two washes. Am I on to something? If this is the case, than it's all a matter of personal preference - and to keep washing until you end up with about 20+%.
 
NickDlow

NickDlow

Log Hog
I've heard one cup per oz, 1/2cup for 1/2pz, so on n so forth. I usually just get the KX over the flowers. I think the more u add won't extract more I think it will just prolong ur evap time
 
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Skored

Well-Known Member
NickDlow said:
I've heard one cup per oz, 1/2cup for 1/2pz, so on n so forth. I usually just get the KX over the flowers. I think the more u add won't extract more I think it will just prolong ur evap time
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And this is the question I'm hoping solve. I too just cover the buds, but you would use much less liquid to cover the buds if they were broken vs. whole. So I'm really starting to wonder if there is a magic ratio that will dictate yields. In other words, I see you used 1/4 cup per 7 grams, while I used double that amount. I ended up with a 12% yield on one run, you got there in two or three? Diehard used 1 cup to 10g and got 20% off one wash. See where I'm going with this?

Edit: Sorry, I was looking at 063_XOBX results of ratios used, not yours. He did three washes with a 12% return. Just trying to quantify if ratios do or don't have an impact on yields.
 
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NickDlow

NickDlow

Log Hog
I did two washes and had a yeild of 19% when I first tried the kx.

Started with 5.6 of nug. 1st wash was .8 second was .3 with a total of 1.1 out of 5.6 so that's not to bad IMO

Also I think breaking ur bud up increases the yeild vs full bud. At least that's what I've noticed
 
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CrazyDiamond

CrazyDiamond

Crosseyed & Painless
I agree with all the above on this page...more liquid would really just increase evap times I would think. I think more of an effect would be the amount of stirring/shaking, time of wash, and dense nugs/slightly broken up/more broken up/shredded/grind-ed (I think you can eliminate shredding/grinding as that might grab too much green).
 
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Skored

Well-Known Member
Makes sense. I'm gonna play around with those variables and see where it gets me.

I got .6g from my second run, so I'm pleased with the 19% total return from two washes. The second wash was hard shatter. It was a really dark red color. These are definitely the best looking shatters I've made.
 
NickDlow

NickDlow

Log Hog
I just got home from work and the two separate first runs were evaping the whole time so prob over 10hrs at room temp with a fan on low.

Recap: I did two separate runs of QWKX. Both 10g's and same flowers. Material and KX were frozen. Run one first wash was 3 min. Run two first wash was 5 min. IMO both look identical and so were their weights, 1 gram each (10% yeild first wash). So the wash time IMO doesn't really benefit much from 3 to 5 min. I'll post pics later I'm just too tired.

So for the second wash I dryed and re-froze material and combined both runs to get 20grams (didn't weight after first wash but I started with 10g each) and did a 3min wash after wash there was one cup of golden liquid. I didn't measure the first two but they must have been close to a 1/2 cup each. Anyway second wash is evaporating now at room temp with a fan on it n now I'm going to sleep hopefully I wake up to some good things.
 
Severmore

Severmore

Well-Known Member
To conserve ethanol, I've always wanted to use water extraction first, followed by KX...but that would require considerably more dedication and patience...of which, I do not have.

Anyone know of a cheap device to reclaim as much KX as possible during the evap process. A product that allows evaporation in a upper chamber and collection of evaporated ethanol in a lower chamber would make me very happy.
 
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DogBoy

DogBoy

know fear
...looks like I was on the right track when I asked aboot low temperature frezzers...

...from a cost perspective a small -20f unit was what I had in mind...
 
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CrazyDiamond

CrazyDiamond

Crosseyed & Painless
@DogBoy I have one that says it goes to zero, but when I shoot my temp gun inside it I get -8 to -13*F...I have no idea as to the accuracy, but the unit was fairly inexpensive and bought off Amazon, it is small and lives in my closet...I can look up what it is if you desire.
 
DogBoy

DogBoy

know fear
...thanks bro...I have a hard on for the Summit FS22L but will check that unit out...

...there must be an optimal temperature for ethanol extraction...

...is it 0% f...-20% f...-40...???...

...it has been put forth that too low a temp may slow or prevent the extraction process, but where does that start...???...why is 0 better than say, 32% f...???...

...is - 20 a secret sweet spot...???...it would dry shit up, no...???...

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CrazyDiamond

CrazyDiamond

Crosseyed & Painless
Well I know, at least where I live, as soon as it comes out of the freezer the temps start climbing. I think I'm still below freezing while the flower is in contact with the alcohol (I'm talking just ISO here and not KX as I don't have any yet) so I may be in good shape there. The frezzer/fridge I linked, the temp setting is very vague...I basically have it set at max. I think some of my issues were: using 91 ISO and I don't like my evap setup, so I dropped some coin at the bay today and found a lab hot plate for a really good deal (it is very accurate starting at 5*C up to 575*C IIRC, accurate to within 1% of the set temperature over the entire range of temperatures, digital controller, platinum temperature sensor, and 8"x8" top tray (perfect for the square pyrex). Also, I plan on ordering a slick pad to put into the pyrex....f*ck scrapping!

Edit: @DogBoy I just looked at the freezer you were looking at...it's funny, look at the doors on the Summit and the Edgestar...other than color, they look identical...look at the lock mechanism. I probaly would have gone with the summit, but I was trying to get as small as possible as this has to be in my small closet in my bedroom.
 
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Puffers

Puffers

Micro-Climate Mastermind
CrazyDiamond said:
@sasNW and @DogBoy here it is...the description says zero degree but like I said, my infrared gun said it was in the minus Fahrenheit range

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RHWT3M/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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The temp registered on your IR gun could be a couple different things that might make it inaccurate. You pointed it at the evaporator whether that's a fan driven or static coil (the interior walls are lined with coils no fan is utilized) a freezer's evaporator will typically operate at 5-10 degrees below it's set point temp i.e. your 0*. Another possibility is the reading on your ir gun can vary based on the surface being tested. Ir guns work on emissivity and that carts by the material there are van correction factors designed around them. Or it could just be -8* :lol:



If some of you guys are curious about sub zero extraction a cheap way to try it is to put a safe extraction vessel in a slurry of acetone and dry ice should be somewhere around -105* f or a bit colder plenty of cooling capacity to work with :D
 
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CrazyDiamond

CrazyDiamond

Crosseyed & Painless
I aimed it allover the place in there...walls, door, jars that were inside it, a baggie with flower in it...they all read in the minus Fahrenheit range. So ya, I don't know if it is actually that temp, but I can't really hold anything in my hands for too long pulling it out of there because it feels so damn cold.
 
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DieHard

DieHard

Accessory supplier
Accessory Maker
I have been vaping my Pineapple Kush QWKX since last weekend. I have definitely been liking it. Funny though, every now and then I think I get a faint "alcohol" taste. Then I hit it again and it's not there. Weird...maybe my brain being :freak:.
BUT....
Today I broke out a bit of the butane extraction of the same PK flowers. Wow... It tastes much better. Definitely more terps in the BHO.
I'm thinking of trying this when I do my next BHO run. Little bit of KX in the Pyrex before running the BHO. The liquid will help evap the butane faster/better. I will do this side by side with a straight BHO extraction. To compare flavor. I am in search of the perfect flavor. The next flowers on deck are Sour Purple Diesel.
 
Hashassin

Hashassin

the uniBHOmber
Severmore said:
To conserve ethanol, I've always wanted to use water extraction first, followed by KX...but that would require considerably more dedication and patience...of which, I do not have.

Anyone know of a cheap device to reclaim as much KX as possible during the evap process. A product that allows evaporation in a upper chamber and collection of evaporated ethanol in a lower chamber would make me very happy.
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i have made a fair number of runs reprocessing water extraction "bubble" using alcohol although it was before i ever heard of this product (which was less than an hour ago) and i've had some killer results from it. yield seemed very similar to what i get from reprocessing bubble with butane. also i'll add that i have sometimes let the wash go on for literally several days before with minimal noticeable effect on the end product because there wasn't any plant material to speak of in the source bubble material. i very much recommend you give it a shot if you've been considering it. some of my favorite stashes are reprocessed bubble or dry sift made into oils. saves money on the 'tane or alcohol too because you need less by volume, you just have to pay more in effort and patience which i personally have in greater supply than cash.
 
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farscaper

Well-Known Member
there is no magic volume of solvent to increase your yields....

yield is primarily dictated by the cannabinoid content of your weed... and soak time and temp...

the lower the extractable cannabinoid content the less there is to extract... you can add more or less solvent but it doesnt change how much there is in the plant matter to extract.

hence why even experienced extraction artists can yield a low 10% and up to 20%+....

time and temp for soak is the easiest to manipulate for quality control.

all adding excessive ammount of solvent will do is increase your purge time.

a quick second wash and pour is recommended to ensure all residue has been washed out of jar from first run... that is likely where yield is lost unless using an aeropress or buchner or something to expedite to solvent removal...

@DieHard try putting the KX through the vacuum to see if it cleans up the alcohol taste.... I have and I think it helps... I always notice the occasional alcohol taste from et extraction.

2 cents

peace.
 
NickDlow

NickDlow

Log Hog
Well I wasn't to thrilled with my last run I believe it was around 11.5% but that was because of the material used I believe. I tried to use a less expensive bud and I shouldn't have. That's what I get for not going to my reg grower.

Anyway I have some blueberry, terppin haze, pineapple, and dark star. All look fantastic I can't wait to start extracting.
 
NickDlow

NickDlow

Log Hog
I just revived my 10 micron screens from 316T. They gave me an extra 10 micron screen and 5 50 micron screens. Great customer service I can wait to see if this improves my product.

I'm doing multiple small runs to see which of these strain yeilds the most then I can focus on the higher yielding stain for a large run. Blueberry had a 16% yeild before my new screens. Next run I'm doin the terrpin haze and I used my 10 micron screen. This strain looks the best, hopefully the yeild reflects that. I'll post updates later
 
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