Kleen extract

MileHighLife said:

Has anyone ever tried using the same bit of alcohol to run multiple small amounts. For instance taking a full ounce then breaking it down to eighths. Put one eighth in a jar and and use the least amount of KX possible so it barely covers the buds and then repeat with all 8 portions using the same bit of KX. It would cut down on evap time and minimize the amount of alcohol needed but I am still yet to try an alcohol run ... just a thought after reading the last few posts.

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yes I have with everclear.... works quite well.

try not to break up the buds much... it will get beat up in shaking ...then instead of pouring you can just use tongs and pick them out of the jar and squeeze the material to get the last bit o juice out. then filter the trichome heads after all the washes are done.

farscaper said:

yes I have with everclear.... works quite well.

try not to break up the buds much... it will get beat up in shaking ...then instead of pouring you can just use tongs and pick them out of the jar and squeeze the material to get the last bit o juice out. then filter the trichome heads after all the washes are done.

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i love the direction of this, but i have to add to go easy on the squeezing. wouldnt that be forcing unwanted stuff out as well... that may not normally get extracted?

2clicker said:

i love the direction of this, but i have to add to go easy on the squeezing. wouldnt that be forcing unwanted stuff out as well... that may not normally get extracted?

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not really when working sub zero temps (frozen bud and alcohol)... that is why I suggested not breaking up the material... however I will rephrase the "technique" its really more of a shake... but you have to squeeze to pick up the mess... spoon shaped tongs work best... I have these 12 inch tweezers... they go to the bottom of the jar but when you want to pick up the last bit its a bitch...

I digress... if in the case you do pick up some chlorophyll the light bath takes care of that and you can winterize or just filter for particle size.

I do love alcohols for that.... cant do a light treatment with butane to fix a green wash! you still need alcohol to clean up a dirty extract!

sorry my mind is wandery today.

MileHighLife said:

Has anyone ever tried using the same bit of alcohol to run multiple small amounts. For instance taking a full ounce then breaking it down to eighths. Put one eighth in a jar and and use the least amount of KX possible so it barely covers the buds and then repeat with all 8 portions using the same bit of KX. It would cut down on evap time and minimize the amount of alcohol needed but I am still yet to try an alcohol run ... just a thought after reading the last few posts.

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Betcha you would pick up more stuff versus running clean solvent multiple times.
Also some solvent (ethanol) just won't squeeze completely out with a press. Dunno why.

Instead of a second wash, I ran the KX soaked nugs through a butane wash. First wash didn't leave much behind.

Hmm @DieHard so the KX took almost everything on the first pass? Interesting....if the tane didn't get it...maybe it's not as good a solvent as the KX ...I bet a second wash with the KX would pull something.

When I do a run with tane, I find that a second run is nearly pointless. I saved an oz of 4 different strains for a second wash mix. The results were minimal. Not worth the tane and effort. The small amount that I got had lots of green and left a lot of residue behind. Flowers were crispy dry after first run. Kept in freezer and tane was frozen. I think part of the secret to good yields with tane is to freeze the can. It comes out much slower allowing for slightly longer contact with flowers. It is also more likely to stay liquid longer.

I can't do tane unfortunately...in your opinion, if the first wash was done with KX would it worth a second wash of KX? (I'm trying to extrapolate on your earlier findings...I'm thinking that your saying one wash and out for tane and the Kleen?)

I don't think there was much left in there after the KX wash. I'm thinking of treating the stuff like ABV after a first wash with either method. Use it for edibles or something.

Ah very good. Thank you for your diligence on this subject. Your findings have greatly improved mine, and I'm sure other's, knowledge in this area. I will be ordering some after the 23rd...in the meantime, I look forward to more of your postings; from what I've seen, your concentrate is some of the best out there, bravo sir

DieHard said:

I don't think there was much left in there after the KX wash. I'm thinking of treating the stuff like ABV after a first wash with either method. Use it for edibles or something.

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the effects are typically all seditive....
the high is really off balance in my head.

I really dont even like vaping reclaim.... but in a pinch ill dab some...

but I also dont really ever collect abv anymore so.... to each their own.

I just wanted to note that in my experience ive been more disapointed with the waisted efforts from edibles made from once run remains... of any kind be it alcohol or butane.

abv works better imo.

CrazyDiamond said:

I can't do tane unfortunately...in your opinion, if the first wash was done with KX would it worth a second wash of KX? (I'm trying to extrapolate on your earlier findings...I'm thinking that your saying one wash and out for tane and the Kleen?)

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I definitely pull more matter with a second wash of KX . I'm working on med oil so am hoping to pull broad spectrum.

Dabs, maybe don't mix the two runs.

It sounds like you're into stealth. The no heat evaporation is pretty discrete. For dabbing you have to use heat to disappear residual ethyl and to decarb. But you can evaporate it down to shatter, at room temps, with a fan if your're impatient. No heat, no billowing clouds of alcohol. I think it's much more discrete than cooking off any significant volume of weed wash.

Then you decarb the shatter. Less smell, less tell.

wootze said:

I definitely pull more matter with a second wash of KX . I'm working on med oil so am hoping to pull broad spectrum.

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but you made a good point...

what "matter" are you really even pulling? do you know?

cause plant "matter" is more than cannabinoids... so are you really extracting more benificals? or just diluting the purity with contaminants?

are you eating all your medical oil?

farscaper said:

but you made a good point...

what "matter" are you really even pulling? do you know?

cause plant "matter" is more than cannabinoids... so are you really extracting more benificals? or just diluting the purity with contaminants?

are you eating all your medical oil?

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How to know without lab testing? Second wash is the usual second pull , color wise. It doesn't dab as nice as the first wash and is less potent.

The oils are a whole other discussion. Don't want to rehash but you can check my posts.
I eat the oil. It can be much more stoney than the dab.

From a medicinal oil perspective there aren't many contaminants in the organically grown material I'm working with. But I wouldn't dab the fuller extracted oil because it would be funky for sure. Tastes great to eat it.

CrazyDiamond said:

Ya he is, but I think he'd be interested in the discussion here...I'd like to pick his brain as to my thoughts on adding a little 99iso to the KleenX.

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After my brief look at the KleenXtract stuff, it seems like it is a simple 100% ethanol in a bottle.

However, this could be great to use! As others have pointed out, indeed, residual moisture in the air will eventually get into pure ethanol if exposed to the elements for too long. However, I can only see KleenX being as good or better than ethanol, which when used with appropriate wash times and product/method will have you making great shatter with very little effort!

The burning question is this: Does the KleenX cost less than Spyrytus/Everclear does in your region? If so, get it, I see no reason why using this in QWET would be anything but as good or better than the 95% ethanol products!

So are my thoughts of maybe adding 99 ISO to the KX to help prevent water absorption worth anything? And my second reason for possibly adding a small amount of 99 ISO so you get the aggressiveness of the (( with the thoroughness of the EtOH/KX?

You would need to consider how to the two solvents react to one another, and what the properties of this mixed solvent (ie: hydrophilic/hydrophobic).

I am sure there will be a wealth of scientific literature available on this topic, alcohol based extractions are actually useful for a great many other purposes in chemistry and pharmacy

Unfortunately, I am unsure on what this hybrid ISO/ethanol solvent would be like for our purpose here. This may be a way to mitigate the trouble a lot of people have with wash times and pulling out too much plant stuff with ISO.

It's funny @herbivore21, the original msds that @farscaper found showed the KX having equal to or less than 10% iso, now it doesn't.

CrazyDiamond said:

It's funny @herbivore21, the original msds that @farscaper found showed the KX having equal to or less than 10% iso, now it doesn't.

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I think KX replied that the ISO was not what they were selling for extraction. Maybe that was the formula for cleaning lab ware.

I received my KX in about a week after ordering. Here is my technique and results.

1. Used 9 grams of whole unbroken buds - I did toast at 200 degrees for 20 minutes mainly because this was for a low smell EJ-mix final product.
2. Froze buds and KX over night
3. Did a 10 minute wash (was hesitant as I'm used to a 3 min. wash, but went ahead since others mention success. The result was a golden yellow liquid.)
4. Filtered through a 10 micron SS filter and had about 1/2 cup of liquid
5. Evaporated with aggressive fan at room temperature - took about 6 hours
6. Final product was yellow when thin, dark amber when formed into a clump, and very hard non-sticky shatter consistency
7. Yield was 1.1 Grams - 12% return
8. Very potent, very tasty

I did a second wash as well after breaking up the buds and soaking for 10 minutes. Ended up with green liquid. Can't say if it was the breaking up of the buds or too long of a wash. I put it on the window sill for 2 hours and it turned light/dark amber. I put it back in the freezer to clean it further and filtered through a 10 micron SS filter. It's evaporating now. I'm hoping for a .6 gram yield for an overall 19% return... we'll see.

So overall, this worked very well. I can't speak to how it compares to Everclear because it seems pretty much the same. I feel like I extracted no more on my first run compared to Everclear. Taste seems to be the same. Consistency was better, but that could be due to not using heat for the evaporation where normally I'll use a heating pad. So many variables make it hard to compare unless I do a side by side comparison with a mirrored technique. Overall, I think this is a good product, but maybe not so superior to Everclear as I originally thought. But for those of you who can't get Everclear or can but at a high cost, this is a great alternative.

@DieHard Really interested to see you're amazing yield off your first wash, and to know that you don't have much else on your second wash. Wondering what the differences in technique could be. Obviously buds have a great deal to do with yield, but I seem to be getting a decent yield with a second wash - just checked on it and there seems to be a good amount in the dish.

@wootze, could be. I think I still might experiment with a mixture. I will have to calculate how much fluid to cover the flower, then take that finding and make the mixture 90% KX and 10% 99 ISO..I dunno, I'm very new at this; it might be more plausible if someone more experienced would do it since I know they would be able to notice subtle differences that I might not. Don't get me wrong, I will try it, I just don't know if I am keen enough to notice differences....all I can do is try and report what I see. This won't happen for at least a month though.

Skored said:

@DieHard Really interested to see you're amazing yield off your first wash, and to know that you don't have much else on your second wash. Wondering what the differences in technique could be. Obviously buds have a great deal to do with yield, but I seem to be getting a decent yield with a second wash - just checked on it and there seems to be a good amount in the dish.

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You do know his second run was with tane and not the KX right?

Nice results so far though @Skored

CrazyDiamond said:

So are my thoughts of maybe adding 99 ISO to the KX to help prevent water absorption worth anything?

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I doubt it ... 99% iso is also highly hygroscopic and will become ~ 95% after a short time exposed to the atmosphere.

CrazyDiamond said:

You do know his second run was with tane and not the KX right?

Nice results so far though @Skored

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Yup, caught that. But his first run with KX yielded over 20% leaving not much to grab with the tane. So my point was that he collected what seems to be the majority of useable product on his first wash with only 3 minutes, while I collected just 12% with a 10 minute wash, and still collecting a good amount on my second wash. So wondering what he's doing different to get such great returns on one wash.

@Skored Yes!....I had exactly the same thoughts last night when I first read his post...I mean he got yield and quality.

@MileHighLife I had thought that but just wanted confirmation. However, my second thought on the mix of having the aggressiveness of the iso combined with the thoroughness of the KX might yield something positive...thoughts?