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My theory of healthy cannabis usage

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VapechickV

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Than you're not going to fit in very well here at FC simply because most of us do feel an obligation to foster unity here, ESPECIALLY when there are differing opinions. Unity does not have to mean that we all have the same opinion for it can also mean that we are all united in making and keeping FC the community of that which it is.

@MindFork On the contrary. Here's a little sampling of our rules (which you agreed to follow when you signed up here)

'All members must be treated in a respectful and adult manner. All members should respect and adhere to the promotion of harmony within the community. Do not attempt to disrupt the community in any way."

So yes MindFork.. you are under obligation to foster unity within the community here. I suggest you keep that in mind.

Thank you both. This thread was starting to feel a little... Facebookish? I'd like to think that mindfork meant well but things get lost in translation, and I do agree his approach could have been better. We should all have a group bowl now. *grabs freshly loaded Firefly*
 

grokit

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Let's imagine that we're talking about hard alcohol instead of cannabis. How would it sound for someone to recommend taking days off from getting drunk, and also suggesting getting drunk in the evening instead of starting first thing in the morning?
Not a valid comparison, because alcohol is a poison with no medicinal value. Drink a quart of hard booze in an hour and see if you live to tell about it. Cannabis otoh is not at all poisonous, and can cure many ailments; we're really just starting to scratch the surface of all of its wonderful properties.
 

MichaelAB

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What a train wreck--no pun intended--this has become. OP really didn't mean anything by his post and has apologized for his dogmatic tone.
Fostering community? By keeping this thread open to beat the horse further?
 
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Snappo

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Not a valid comparison, because alcohol is a poison with no medicinal value. Drink a quart of hard booze in an hour and see if you live to tell about it. Cannabis otoh is not at all poisonous, and can cure many ailments; we're really just starting to scratch the surface of all of its wonderful properties.
Although there is yet much to learn about the herb (and our receptors), too much is already known to feign ignorance and oversimplify the argument to say that our foot must always weigh heavily on the brakes while cruising down the road. I trust that there is much more responsible use of the herb than is being given credit for, and an overemphasis being given on adverse effects based on a minority guilty of a still undefined measure of over indulgence. The many known merits of responsible herb use stand on their own, and we don't need to lean on examples like alcohol to justify one's choice. I feel the OP is preaching to a choir here at FC who have already matured way beyond the point of needing their weekly confessional and prayer. In fact, the vast majority of our FC membership are the world's proponent stewards of knowledgeable responsible healthful usage. The constant beat to which this thread marches falls flat of its own weight - it is old baggage that simply doesn't apply to this audience, IMO.:2c::2c::peace:
 
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momofthegoons

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What a train wreck--no pun intended--this has become. OP really didn't mean anything by his post and has apologized for his dogmatic tone.
Fostering community? By keeping this thread open to beat the horse further?
If you have a problem with this thread, you should hit the report button or pm one of us mods. Voicing your opinion of our keeping this thread open borders on breaking another rule of ours; questioning mod decisions.

That said, imo this thread has a short shelf life. And if the current tone continues, it will be closed down. Questioning someone's views is one thing; putting them down for it is quite another.
 

mestizo

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Not a valid comparison, because alcohol is a poison with no medicinal value. Drink a quart of hard booze in an hour and see if you live to tell about it. Cannabis otoh is not at all poisonous, and can cure many ailments; we're really just starting to scratch the surface of all of its wonderful properties.
Now, lets not demonized alcohol, it does have a lot of medicinal uses, internally and externally.
 

grokit

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Now, lets not demonized alcohol, it does have a lot of medicinal uses, internally and externally.

Schedule I substances are those that have the following findings:
  1. The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
  2. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
  3. There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
I'm okay with demonizing alcohol. If you compare and contrast the two, alcohol is the potentially lethal, highly-addictive substance, and it meets the schedule 1 criteria above much better than mj does.

It's a poison that intoxicates at less than lethal doses; this is the fun part. But it seriously impairs judgement, and it brings out violent tendencies in many people. It ruins many lives even though, or more accurately because, it's so widely and cheaply available. And don't get me started on the brain cells killed from dehydration, that's where the headache comes from the next morning.

Maybe we should ramp up the controls on booze, while we loosen the restrictions on mj. Alcohol does have its allure. I was a fancy hotel bartender for a few years and I was a very good one, I even "invented" a martini or two. I like the fine labels and have my favorite concoctions, even though I hardly ever indulge anymore. It's great for tinctures and killing germs, but beyond that alcohol's medicinal utility is limited.

Just think of a marijuana culture compared to the culture we have built around alcohol. Alcohol is the drug of choice for wall street warriors and soldier/cop types that are trained for functional violence and institutional theft, because it will numb you enough to let you continue to function after you have compromised yourself from an ethical standpoint. We've all seen it in the movies, when we are traumatized we "drink to forget; "I never killed a guy before", "here have a memory eraser, you'll be fine". I can't help but wonder how different our world would be if mj was the acceptable substance and alcohol was the demonized one.

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Snappo

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Schedule I substances are those that have the following findings:
  1. The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
  2. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
  3. There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision
I'm okay with demonizing alcohol. If you compare and contrast the two, alcohol is the lethal substance, it's not even close, and it meets the schedule 1 criteria above much better than mj does.

It's a poison that intoxicates at less than lethal doses, it seriously impairs judgement, and it brings out violent tendencies in many people. It ruins many lives even though, or more accurately because, it's so widely and cheaply available. Maybe we should ramp up the control of this deadly substance while we loosen the restrictions on mj. Alcohol does have its allure, I was a fancy hotel bartender for a few years and I was a very good one. I like the fine labels and have my favorite concoctions, even though I hardly indulge ever anymore. It's great for tinctures and killing germs, but beyond that alcohol's medicinal utility is limited.

Just think of a marijuana culture compared to the culture we have built around alcohol. Alcohol is the drug of choice for wall street warriors and soldier/cop types that are trained for functional violence and institutional theft, because it will numb you enough to let you continue to function after you have compromised yourself from an ethical standpoint. We've all seen it in the movies, when we are traumatized we "drink to forget; "I never killed a guy before", "here have a memory eraser, you'll be fine". I can't help but wonder how different our world would be if mj was the acceptable substance and alcohol was the demonized one.

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...and the moral of it all is ...MODERATION! A powerful word that has been known to end even the most circular "dead horse" discussions. Love to all!
 

mestizo

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Schedule I substances are those that have the following findings:
  1. The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
  2. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
  3. There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
I'm okay with demonizing alcohol. If you compare and contrast the two, alcohol is the potentially lethal, highly-addictive substance, and it meets the schedule 1 criteria above much better than mj does.

It's a poison that intoxicates at less than lethal doses; this is the fun part. But it seriously impairs judgement, and it brings out violent tendencies in many people. It ruins many lives even though, or more accurately because, it's so widely and cheaply available. And don't get me started on the brain cells killed from dehydration, that's where the headache comes from the next morning.

Maybe we should ramp up the controls on booze, while we loosen the restrictions on mj. Alcohol does have its allure. I was a fancy hotel bartender for a few years and I was a very good one, I even "invented" a martini or two. I like the fine labels and have my favorite concoctions, even though I hardly indulge ever anymore. It's great for tinctures and killing germs, but beyond that alcohol's medicinal utility is limited.

Just think of a marijuana culture compared to the culture we have built around alcohol. Alcohol is the drug of choice for wall street warriors and soldier/cop types that are trained for functional violence and institutional theft, because it will numb you enough to let you continue to function after you have compromised yourself from an ethical standpoint. We've all seen it in the movies, when we are traumatized we "drink to forget; "I never killed a guy before", "here have a memory eraser, you'll be fine". I can't help but wonder how different our world would be if mj was the acceptable substance and alcohol was the demonized one.

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I never said anything about recreational use, which a lot of people can handle with moderation.
Personally, rubbing pure grain alcohol on my back gives me some of the best relief no other substance can do, also internally, it helps me in the digestion of several foods. I'm not comparing it to MJ, I just stated the fact that it does have its medicinal uses.

Edit: killing germs in a medical environment has saved countless lives.
 
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grokit

well-worn member
I'm just playing devil's advocate for comparison's sake. My favorite cocktail is a mojito, but I have only had them in puerto rico. Stateside, I like either a dirty shaken vodka martini or an old fashioned. I do like a nice muddled drink, but these days if I even have a glass of wine or a beer with my dinner it's an occasion.
 

Magic9

Plant Enthusiast
(Those fucking ad hominems again :))

Since I still feel that a person may (or may not) partake in as much (or as little) as they would like, for whatever reason they feel, with very little negative consequences (excluding the legal damge done by the outlawing of the plant), I can't really add anymore to this conversation. We'll just have to agree to disagree. That's one of the great things about this unified community.

On another note, I am curious about something in your OP.

MindFork said:
Cannabis legalization will happen, and we should all be thinking about good cannabis education for kids and new tokers (soon to be vapers).

Did you mean "better" cannabis education? As in more open and honest (I support that)? Or did you mean that we should double down on DARE programs, Just Say No, etc., and bring back the commercials?

 
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Vitolo

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Caligula

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Not a valid comparison, because alcohol is a poison with no medicinal value.

It's funny you mention that. I believe the federal government stated alcohol has no medical benefits back in the early 1920.

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Needing an Rx to obtain a "medication" with "no medicinal value", whilst it's under prohibition, seems oddly familiar for some reason...

Oh, also this:

http://www.medicaldaily.com/7-health-benefits-drinking-alcohol-247552

Beware black and white statements. They are typically fraught with perils.



edit: sorry I just read everything after that post.

(Those fucking ad hominems again :))

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Gunky

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I find that alcohol works rather well for lower back muscle spasms. It numbs pain and relaxes the muscles in lower back. I use cannabis for neck and shoulder but I notice alcohol works better when I throw out my lower back. I am one of these people who can take or leave alcohol, however. Some people just cannot manage with alcohol and inevitably get into trouble with it, kind of like me and tobacco - I just cannot consume it in a small way and the health problems it causes for me are severe, so I shun it.
 
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mestizo

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I find that alcohol works rather well for lower back muscle spasms. It numbs pain and relaxes the muscles in lower back. I use cannabis for neck and shoulder but I notice alcohol works better when I throw out my lower back. I am one of these people who can take or leave alcohol, however. Some people just cannot manage with alcohol and have to leave it alone.
This is exactly how I feel when I apply alcohol on my lower back. Very true.
 
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Grim Chiclets

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...What? The way some of you are talking it sounds like you're rubbing beer on your spine.. :lol:

Anyway, I think alcohol (beer at least) is pretty helpful to me when I'm unable to vape, because I vape to eat, and if I can't eat- which is pretty much all the time- beer still slightly fills me with calories.
Clearly nowhere near as helpful as cannabis, I wouldn't say that it's purely detrimental; as some do.

Vape+beer though.. :zombie:
 

MindFork

Part-Time Toker
On another note, I am curious about something in your OP.

Did you mean "better" cannabis education? As in more open and honest (I support that)? Or did you mean that we should double down on DARE programs, Just Say No, etc., and bring back the commercials?
I meant open, honest education, as in real-life experiences from real stoners who've gone down the path of "too much use" (whatever that means for them personally) and pulled back. As another person said, moderation is really the keyword in all of this.


To the other posters who reminded me of what I obviously forgot in the rules about promoting harmony, thank you for pointing that out. I stand corrected yet again. :) I will have to work on finding ways to express opinions that I know will be unpopular while still promoting harmony.

As for this thread itself, if a kind moderator would be so gracious as to please lock it, I would be most grateful. (The horse is dead, Jim...)

5:20, here I come. :D

Peace out,
MF
 
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