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FlyingLow

Team NO SLEEP!
Shalom MotherFucker

I don’t know how to write this without sounding like the kind of person I’m about to sound like, but sometimes you’ve just got to write it like you feel it. And I feel this. I un-friended a ‘friend’ from Facebook the other day.

To be honest, he wasn’t really a friend. He was a professional aquaintance and one whose talent I respect. But that’s it.

I un-friended him because he crossed a line.

I don’t mind that he didn’t write to ask how we’re doing here in Israel. People have their lives and we’re not the center of the world.

No. He started posting videos and images that reek of anti-semitism and an anti-Israel bias the likes of which are posted by people who clearly hate my country.

And I saw these posts.

A video by an English elected official who spewed such anti-Israel rhetoric that it was borderline hatred.

And a post that Robert De Niro supposedly made claiming we’re an apartheid state. (He never said that at all. We’re not – and that post was another spreading of an untruth).

He crossed a line on a day – the other day – that 13 regular Israeli fathers, sons or brothers here were killed defending my country. Men drawn into a war they did not want to fight, but fought to protect their families, friends, and country – and to protect ME. A war others will continue to fight because to not fight it means we will perish. I don’t mean that we will lose our country, but as you can see by the turmoil around us in the Middle East (that has nothing to do with us) we will lose our lives.

He crossed a line following 10 days in which we, the citizens of Israel, have been bombarded the length of the 10 hour drive north to south of our country, and two our drive east to west of our country (that’s the size of Israel) with missiles intended to murder Israelis, no matter what gender, what age, what profession and what religion they follow. (We have over a million Israeli-Arabs living here within our borders as citizens with full rights).

And as I write, coming home from a day of work and having put my son to bed in his crib, we are still being bombarded.

He crossed another line after he saw that I unfriended him when he wrote an email to me saying that it’s ‘…funny to be de-friended for posting a statement from an elected official. As a Jew you should realize that mass murder is never justified’. (His identity will remain hidden, of course).

First of all, don’t give me that ‘as a Jew’ crap. I don’t need to be a Jew to realise that mass murder isn’t justified. I need to be a decent human being.

Secondly, I don’t give a damn that he was an elected official – he said some preposterous, disgusting and very untrue things – and history is full of misguided elected officals.

And third, we’re mass murderers? My country accepts an Egyptian-proposed Gaza cease-fire twice and Hamas keeps firing away. They aim rockets at civilians while we go at great lengths to avoid civilians actually calling them in their areas and dropping warning charges, to give innocents a chance to escape. That’s unprecedented in warfare history. We leave Gaza for a chance at peace 9 years ago and for 9 years we got rockets, hate education, underground tunnels built with the purpose of entering Israeli territory so radicals can murder and kidnap Jews? This is what we get for leaving Gaza unilaterally 9 years ago. And we’re mass murderers?

No – fool. Ours is not the behavior of mass murderers.

I’m tired of the argument lobbed against us where I read people saying it’s ‘not fair’ because more Palestinians have died than Israelis. Of people asking ‘why are we complaining when we’re the stronger ones?’
My heart bleeds for every innocent killed no matter what side they’re on. Palestinain or Israeli innocents – it matters not.

But I will not apologise for surviving.

For surviving missiles intended to kill me. The fact they didn’t kill me doesn’t mean they weren’t sent with the intention to murder. We have a defence system, shelters, evacuation procedures and governments who take care of us – I will not apologise for living and surviving thanks to being prepared because we have a culture that celebrates our lives and cherishes them instead of sending 10-year old children to be fighters and bombers. I will not apologise for having a business, a home, a family and friends here who want normal lives and to live in peace with our neighbors. I will not apologise for existing and I want nothing more than to co-exist quietly with neighbors who accept me here.

But this is not what Hamas wants.

Let me be very clear. Hamas is trying to kill ME. My family. My baby son. All of us here. That is their purpose. Get it through your heads – that is what is happening. And it’s VERY personal. For all of us here.

Our Israeli civilians – people like me – are being targeted to die. Palestinian innocents on the other side are dying because my army is trying to protect us from thugs operating in those areas who are launching rockets at my populated cities. If Palestinian innocents are dying it’s because of jihadists and terrorists (other names for thugs), but NOT because of the State of Israel that is trying to protect its citizens as any sovereign country would do. People are going to die. Innocents will die and it’s awful and it’s ugly. But we have to do what we have to do now. That is not a tone of justification. It’s me telling you the way it is – and believe me, we’re already paying the price with the blood of our people…of families who will never sit together again. Play together again. Hold eachother again.

This is not a game.

I was speaking to my father this evening and he advised me, like a good father does bless him, to not speak my mind on Facebook. Why go to the trouble? But he’s looking out for his son knowing I’ll face backlash.

Look, we remained silent in the 30′s and look where it got us. We hoped rational people would see sense and refused to believe that people were capable of evil. And where did that get us? Trainrides straight to the gas chambers by REAL mass murderers. And there are those today who follow directly in the footsteps of the Nazis and who state proudly that they want to see all Jews dead, all of israel wiped off the face of the earth. (It is in Hamas’ offical charter – I’m serious – look). And why? Not because of ‘stolen land’ and politics but because they’re misguided, pitiful, hateful people who hate Jews and don’t give a damn about their people. Because anyone who gives a damn about their people would try giving them a future and not use them as pawns in a sick game of death and 72 virgins.

No, I will not remain silent while lies are spread about my country, my people, my culture, my values. I will be the FIRST in line to condemn my leaders and countrymen and women when they do wrong – as we do.
(And we do). But we are in the right here and I will not be quiet.

If anyone doesn’t understand any of the above; if anyone doesn’t get it; if any of my friends are going to post anti-Israel messages in a time where over 500 Palestinians have tragically died in this current conflict yet you remained silent while almost 200,000 Arabs were murdered by Arabs these past few years; if you’re not writing about Assad using chemical weapons against his people; if you’re not writing about ISIS who crucified 8 christians the other day and who are telling Iraqi Christians ‘convert, pay tax, or die’; if you only have criticism for the State of Israel that is doing EVERYTHING in its power to avoid civilian losses to Palestinians during a war; if you’re going to do nothing but sit wherever you’re sitting and just dish out your anti-Israel dirt while rockets are being aimed at my house, family and friends as our boys are fighting to protect us – and you’re going to dish it out simply because we’re living in this land and you haven’t got a clue as to our connection to it; if you’re going to join the anti-semitic and anti-Israel demonstrations flaring up in the world like we’re seeing in France, Turkey, Berlin, most Arab states and even in the US that have nothing to do with this conflict but are really just expressions of hatred directed at Jews and Israelis (and these expressions will be directed at the host countries soon); if you’re going to stay quiet and just accept, then go ahead and unfriend me from Facebook now because you’re probably no friend of mine.

Know this: when someone tries to end my life, IT IS PERSONAL.
And if you’re adding fuel to the fire by posting crap that in some small way will contribute to my demise, then again - un-friend me now.

Because you can have the hatred, the twisted, the sick and evil and be a part of that – or you can have me. But you can’t have both.

Shalom, motherf****r.


- Eitan Chitayat

Read more: Shalom, motherf****r. | Eitan Chitayat | Ops & Blogs | The Times of Israel http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/shalom-motherfr/#ixzz38VIwVAhJ
Follow us: @timesofisrael on Twitter | timesofisrael on Facebook
 

Farid

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We actually have a unique chance to win hearts and minds by giving the Iraqi government funding against ISIS. Maher's blabber about them not wanting anything to do with us is not true. They don't like when we bring war to them during times of peace, but when they're facing an extremist threat so awful that even Sufis have joined government backed militias, they'd be happy receive money or weaponry from the United States. Even the Sunnis who used to be part of the army are against ISIS. They just dropped their weapons because ISIS had better funding and they didn't want to die fighting their own countrymen.

ISIS could not exist without external money. It is the farthest thing from a "people's movement".
 

lwien

Well-Known Member
Shalom MotherFucker

I don’t know how to write this without sounding like the kind of person I’m about to sound like, but sometimes you’ve just got to write it like you feel it. And I feel this. I un-friended a ‘friend’ from Facebook the other day.

To be honest, he wasn’t really a friend. He was a professional aquaintance and one whose talent I respect. But that’s it.

I un-friended him because he crossed a line.

I don’t mind that he didn’t write to ask how we’re doing here in Israel. People have their lives and we’re not the center of the world.

No. He started posting videos and images that reek of anti-semitism and an anti-Israel bias the likes of which are posted by people who clearly hate my country.

And I saw these posts.

A video by an English elected official who spewed such anti-Israel rhetoric that it was borderline hatred.

And a post that Robert De Niro supposedly made claiming we’re an apartheid state. (He never said that at all. We’re not – and that post was another spreading of an untruth).

He crossed a line on a day – the other day – that 13 regular Israeli fathers, sons or brothers here were killed defending my country. Men drawn into a war they did not want to fight, but fought to protect their families, friends, and country – and to protect ME. A war others will continue to fight because to not fight it means we will perish. I don’t mean that we will lose our country, but as you can see by the turmoil around us in the Middle East (that has nothing to do with us) we will lose our lives.

He crossed a line following 10 days in which we, the citizens of Israel, have been bombarded the length of the 10 hour drive north to south of our country, and two our drive east to west of our country (that’s the size of Israel) with missiles intended to murder Israelis, no matter what gender, what age, what profession and what religion they follow. (We have over a million Israeli-Arabs living here within our borders as citizens with full rights).

And as I write, coming home from a day of work and having put my son to bed in his crib, we are still being bombarded.

He crossed another line after he saw that I unfriended him when he wrote an email to me saying that it’s ‘…funny to be de-friended for posting a statement from an elected official. As a Jew you should realize that mass murder is never justified’. (His identity will remain hidden, of course).

First of all, don’t give me that ‘as a Jew’ crap. I don’t need to be a Jew to realise that mass murder isn’t justified. I need to be a decent human being.

Secondly, I don’t give a damn that he was an elected official – he said some preposterous, disgusting and very untrue things – and history is full of misguided elected officals.

And third, we’re mass murderers? My country accepts an Egyptian-proposed Gaza cease-fire twice and Hamas keeps firing away. They aim rockets at civilians while we go at great lengths to avoid civilians actually calling them in their areas and dropping warning charges, to give innocents a chance to escape. That’s unprecedented in warfare history. We leave Gaza for a chance at peace 9 years ago and for 9 years we got rockets, hate education, underground tunnels built with the purpose of entering Israeli territory so radicals can murder and kidnap Jews? This is what we get for leaving Gaza unilaterally 9 years ago. And we’re mass murderers?

No – fool. Ours is not the behavior of mass murderers.

I’m tired of the argument lobbed against us where I read people saying it’s ‘not fair’ because more Palestinians have died than Israelis. Of people asking ‘why are we complaining when we’re the stronger ones?’
My heart bleeds for every innocent killed no matter what side they’re on. Palestinain or Israeli innocents – it matters not.

But I will not apologise for surviving.

For surviving missiles intended to kill me. The fact they didn’t kill me doesn’t mean they weren’t sent with the intention to murder. We have a defence system, shelters, evacuation procedures and governments who take care of us – I will not apologise for living and surviving thanks to being prepared because we have a culture that celebrates our lives and cherishes them instead of sending 10-year old children to be fighters and bombers. I will not apologise for having a business, a home, a family and friends here who want normal lives and to live in peace with our neighbors. I will not apologise for existing and I want nothing more than to co-exist quietly with neighbors who accept me here.

But this is not what Hamas wants.

Let me be very clear. Hamas is trying to kill ME. My family. My baby son. All of us here. That is their purpose. Get it through your heads – that is what is happening. And it’s VERY personal. For all of us here.

Our Israeli civilians – people like me – are being targeted to die. Palestinian innocents on the other side are dying because my army is trying to protect us from thugs operating in those areas who are launching rockets at my populated cities. If Palestinian innocents are dying it’s because of jihadists and terrorists (other names for thugs), but NOT because of the State of Israel that is trying to protect its citizens as any sovereign country would do. People are going to die. Innocents will die and it’s awful and it’s ugly. But we have to do what we have to do now. That is not a tone of justification. It’s me telling you the way it is – and believe me, we’re already paying the price with the blood of our people…of families who will never sit together again. Play together again. Hold eachother again.

This is not a game.

I was speaking to my father this evening and he advised me, like a good father does bless him, to not speak my mind on Facebook. Why go to the trouble? But he’s looking out for his son knowing I’ll face backlash.

Look, we remained silent in the 30′s and look where it got us. We hoped rational people would see sense and refused to believe that people were capable of evil. And where did that get us? Trainrides straight to the gas chambers by REAL mass murderers. And there are those today who follow directly in the footsteps of the Nazis and who state proudly that they want to see all Jews dead, all of israel wiped off the face of the earth. (It is in Hamas’ offical charter – I’m serious – look). And why? Not because of ‘stolen land’ and politics but because they’re misguided, pitiful, hateful people who hate Jews and don’t give a damn about their people. Because anyone who gives a damn about their people would try giving them a future and not use them as pawns in a sick game of death and 72 virgins.

No, I will not remain silent while lies are spread about my country, my people, my culture, my values. I will be the FIRST in line to condemn my leaders and countrymen and women when they do wrong – as we do.
(And we do). But we are in the right here and I will not be quiet.

If anyone doesn’t understand any of the above; if anyone doesn’t get it; if any of my friends are going to post anti-Israel messages in a time where over 500 Palestinians have tragically died in this current conflict yet you remained silent while almost 200,000 Arabs were murdered by Arabs these past few years; if you’re not writing about Assad using chemical weapons against his people; if you’re not writing about ISIS who crucified 8 christians the other day and who are telling Iraqi Christians ‘convert, pay tax, or die’; if you only have criticism for the State of Israel that is doing EVERYTHING in its power to avoid civilian losses to Palestinians during a war; if you’re going to do nothing but sit wherever you’re sitting and just dish out your anti-Israel dirt while rockets are being aimed at my house, family and friends as our boys are fighting to protect us – and you’re going to dish it out simply because we’re living in this land and you haven’t got a clue as to our connection to it; if you’re going to join the anti-semitic and anti-Israel demonstrations flaring up in the world like we’re seeing in France, Turkey, Berlin, most Arab states and even in the US that have nothing to do with this conflict but are really just expressions of hatred directed at Jews and Israelis (and these expressions will be directed at the host countries soon); if you’re going to stay quiet and just accept, then go ahead and unfriend me from Facebook now because you’re probably no friend of mine.

Know this: when someone tries to end my life, IT IS PERSONAL.
And if you’re adding fuel to the fire by posting crap that in some small way will contribute to my demise, then again - un-friend me now.

Because you can have the hatred, the twisted, the sick and evil and be a part of that – or you can have me. But you can’t have both.

Shalom, motherf****r.


- Eitan Chitayat

Read more: Shalom, motherf****r. | Eitan Chitayat | Ops & Blogs | The Times of Israel http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/shalom-motherfr/#ixzz38VIwVAhJ
Follow us: @timesofisrael on Twitter | timesofisrael on Facebook

WTF?? :doh: (and I'd say the exact same thing if this was a pro-Palistinian thread)
Reported.............

And to everyone else, PLEASE don't respond to this.
 
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tuk

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Crohnie you broke the cease fire ...Ghandi will be turning in his grave.
 
tuk,

FlyingLow

Team NO SLEEP!
THIS IS NEWS
you can report it, that does not change my position against all you motherfuckers out there!

God forbid a Jewish perspective be posted....
 
FlyingLow,

lwien

Well-Known Member
THIS IS NEWS
you can report it, that does not change my position against all you motherfuckers out there!

God forbid you read anything from a Jewish perspective....

I see a ban coming.

Reported again..........and I'm a Jew. FlyingLow, you are wayyyyyy out of line.

From one Jew to another, take your rhetoric someplace else man. It doesn't belong here.

To the mods. Please don't close this thread.
 
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Please, I love FC, and the thing I love most about it is that the members come from a very broad, diverse background (even morso than regular stoners I find). Threads like this are important in that they show how accepting we are, as a community, of different opinions or beliefs. The OP asked for us to avoid a certain subject, and then that's violated without even a link to any news source.

Now you're calling us motherfuckers for wanting to move the discussion elsewhere.
 
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FlyingLow

Team NO SLEEP!
For what? Posting a relevant article?
HERE IS YOUR LINK:
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/shalom-motherfr/

The title of the article is Shalom MotherFuckers- if you took that personal, it is likely because of your own contrary beliefs.

Fact is, this is very personal. And you can't expect to post inflammatory sympathies for one side and not expect a reaction.
 
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lwien

Well-Known Member
And you can't expect to post inflammatory sympathies for one side and not expect a reaction.

And where is that inflammatory sympathy in this thread?

The ONLY person who is doing the inflaming right now is YOU, FL.
 
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Magic9

Plant Enthusiast
@FlyingLow Can you start a new thread to address? It is a deep issue that needs its own thread. It can't be hashed out here for a multitude of reasons. This thread needs to survive.
 
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lwien

Well-Known Member
@FlyingLow Can you start a new thread to address? It is a deep issue that needs its own thread. It can't be hashed out here for a multitude of reasons. This thread needs to survive.

Magic, I have no doubt that if this topic is discussed in it's own thread and it results in the flaming of others, that thread will be closed down as well.
 
lwien,

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I agree. It is an important issue. Especially for those that live it, day in and day out. I don't comment about it much because I don't know enough about it.

I would be emotional too if it was my country and people this was happening to. I sympathize with both sides, It seems like the everyday person is the one that is suffering and caught in the middle.

It should have its own thread. Huge issue.
 

grokit

well-worn member
We can't even grow soybeans in afghanistan, how the fuck are we gonna solve iraq.

also:

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:doh:


Fact is, this is very personal. And you can't expect to post inflammatory sympathies for one side and not expect a reaction.

How about this for a "new rule":

Post an article summary/link, post your own opinion, just don't directly attack anybody else's opinion or article summary/link.
Anotherwords, offer your own opinion without attacking anybody else's, then move on.

Is this too complicated?
 
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FlyingLow

Team NO SLEEP!
It could have it's own topic, but it does certainly fall into "news" category and current events any way you look at it.

What irritates me is that some would rather censor/report/remove this information rather than inform and share this very personal note with other forum members.
 
FlyingLow,

Magic9

Plant Enthusiast
Magic, I have no doubt that if this topic is discussed in it's own thread and it results in the flaming of others, that thread will be closed down as well.

Agreed, but at least in that case, they can blame themselves for the closing. I'd rather see them flame each other there than here.
 
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Caligula

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We actually have a unique chance to win hearts and minds by giving the Iraqi government funding against ISIS. Maher's blabber about them not wanting anything to do with us is not true. They don't like when we bring war to them during times of peace, but when they're facing an extremist threat so awful that even Sufis have joined government backed militias, they'd be happy receive money or weaponry from the United States. Even the Sunnis who used to be part of the army are against ISIS. They just dropped their weapons because ISIS had better funding and they didn't want to die fighting their own countrymen.

ISIS could not exist without external money. It is the farthest thing from a "people's movement".

I'm going to have to disagree here. The US and it's allies have already tried throwing money at the problem and failed miserably.

For some reason I'm thinking the old saying "those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it" is quite appropriate here.

It's also very possible that ISIS as well as other terrorist organizations can find their own funding.

Sad to say, but it seems to take an iron fisted asshole like Saddam to keep the religious/xenophobic nutters in check over there.
 
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CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
The cruel thing about war is the innocent get killed.


Casualty Numbers Raise Questions About Gaza War

Three-fourths of the Palestinians killed in more than two weeks of Israel-Hamas fighting were civilians, according to U.N. figures. One in four was a minor, it said.


I'm not seeing many pictures online of Israel citizens being killed. I know it's happening, but not as many. One death is too many IMO.
CK
 
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Magic9

Plant Enthusiast
It could have it's own topic, but it does certainly fall into "news" category and current events any way you look at it.

What irritates me is that some would rather censor/report/remove this information rather than inform and share this very personal note with other forum members.

The information itself is not the problem. It's the emotions that people can't control. That leads to attacking and inflammatory posts. That is what gets threads closed down.
 
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It could have it's own topic, but it does certainly fall into "news" category and current events any way you look at it.

What irritates me is that some would rather censor/report/remove this information rather than inform and share this very personal note with other forum members.

There is a HUGE difference between "informing" and "venting".
 
lwien,

Caligula

Maximus

I remember that. Isn't that the one where the US paid $62 million (in 1988 money) to the affected families in compensation?
I believe each surviving family member got something like $250+k USD when the average yearly income in Iran was well under $1k (as per wikipedia).

You'll pardon me if I'm shocked and surprised if the Russians offer compensation of any sort for the Malaysian flight.
 
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Farid

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We cut funding right before the civil war got nasty. Not to mention the current government didn't have as much popular support then, as the threat of extremism was internal and sectarian. Al Quaeda in Iraq isn't nearly as unified and funded the way ISIS is. The threat of ISIS is not sectarian. Sunnis are targeted just as much as Christians and Shias.

Insinuating the people of Iraq need a dictator to be peaceful is out there. This current situation was not caused by Saddam, it was caused by the United States, who propped up Saddam, then destroyed Iraq in the process of deposing him.
 

pakalolo

Toolbag v1.1 (candidate)
Staff member
I'm closing this thread not to stop anyone from posting a particular perspective. The reason is simple: despite the reasons that caused @momofthegoons to shut the last thread, some of you can't restrain yourselves.

The purpose of FC is to discuss and spread information about vapourizing. In recognition of the inevitable desire members will have to chat about things other than vapourizing, @vtac added The Lounge. The intent was to provide a place for respectful, courteous chat. If a topic is inflammatory (and the mid-East is only one of several) then we moderators have to handle it with kid gloves. People tend to get carried away. They cite propaganda or unconfirmed rumours as facts, post provocative and/or shocking material, and engage in personal attacks. All of these things break our rules:
  • All members must be treated in a respectful and adult manner. All members should respect and adhere to the promotion of harmony within the community. Do not attempt to disrupt the community in any way.
FC isn't a political forum and we don't have any obligation to host threads that require constant monitoring to keep members from each other's throats. Remember that you are all guests of vtac and that you agreed to the rules when you registered.
 
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