Tek for: Extraction Artists

DieHard · Jul 13, 2014

Awesome, that definitely qualifies as beyond... :rofl:

I did 2 runs today. First, Jack Herer 14 g yield 4.6 a BEFORE purge. Second, even mix 3.5g of each Jack-and-Sour Purple Diesel yield 2.4g BEFORE purge. I will post finished product pics later. Here's work in progress round one.

farscaper · Jul 13, 2014

DieHard said:
I have one of those but it takes too long to heat up my Pyrex chamber.

I actually dont like how the ss chamber seats with the lid and literally just use a diffrent cook pot. its ss an Ti got stainless steel titanuim cacuum chamber... but it didn't work on induction... fortuna smiles since it fits almost perfect (little to big for it) complementary skillet. have to run it a little hot cause the air void... but I figure a little sand or aquarium gravel and itll sit still.

@DieHard you could do the same... get a cookpot that will hold a chamber that fits your lid and just backfill the airvoids with sand to even the heat.

do you run on parchment? and do you buy your circles pre cut? I saw some on ebay... sweet nectar!

DieHard · Jul 13, 2014

I only vac on parchment. I run direct into Pyrex. I cut the circle because my OCD would not allow the square peg in a round hole. The infuser plate sounds like the best thing for me. However, not for extraction purposes. I am pretty happy with my temperature control. It is spot on. I have a lot of quality cookware that won't work on the nuWave. :dog:

CrazyDiamond · Jul 13, 2014

farscaper...you know you can get an adapter for your inductor cooktop that will transfer heat. This way you avoid the air gap and don't have to run your cooktop as high.
Something like: http://www.amazon.com/Max-Burton-6010-Induction-Heat-Proof/dp/B00213L3PK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405306311&sr=8-1&keywords=induction cooktop adapter

farscaper · Jul 14, 2014

420_Villages said:
farscaper...you know you can get an adapter for your inductor cooktop that will transfer heat. This way you avoid the air gap and don't have to run your cooktop as high.
Something like: http://www.amazon.com/Max-Burton-6010-Induction-Heat-Proof/dp/B00213L3PK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405306311&sr=8-1&keywords=induction cooktop adapter

as high as what? low? cause the way its setting its on the lowest it can go (100°f) and inside on the bottom of the vacuum its a perfect 95° so id say the 5 degree offset is working in my favor actually. and the pan was free.

@DieHard im waiting with bated breathe for a Kleen extract capital comparison. your stuff looks nice so im sure im not the only one waiting to value your opinion!

CrazyDiamond · Jul 14, 2014

farscaper said:
I actually dont like how the ss chamber seats with the lid and literally just use a diffrent cook pot. its ss an Ti got stainless steel titanuim cacuum chamber... but it didn't work on induction... fortuna smiles since it fits almost perfect (little to big for it) complementary skillet. have to run it a little hot cause the air void... but I figure a little sand or aquarium gravel and itll sit still.

I thought it was implied you had to run it hotter than you may need to, hence my suggestion. My apologies.

I too look forward to hearing about the Kleen Extract...in the mean time I'll slowly go through 91 and then maybe Grainger for the 99, or the Kleen depending upon results.

farscaper · Jul 14, 2014

420_Villages said:
I thought it was implied you had to run it hotter than you may need to, hence my suggestion. My apologies.

I too look forward to hearing about the Kleen Extract...in the mean time I'll slowly go through 91 and then maybe Grainger for the 99, or the Kleen depending upon results.

damn this internet for its misrepresentation of my sarcasm!

I actually ment to share my astonishment that after spme testing it really doesnt impeed the heat exchange much at all.

I had suspected there would be more dissipation but to my suprise this thing is extremely efficient!

sorry if it seemed I was being rude. contrary, I was suprised i wasnt going to have to turn it up more.

CrazyDiamond · Jul 14, 2014

No no, I didn't take it like that so don't worry...I misinterpreted lol. That's good news that it hasn't lost too much efficiency. I have found with the cooktop I use, it is a little difficult keeping it right at 100-110*F...the temp ranges go up in 40* increments with the lowest setting being 140*. At 140, it maintains at the dish about 90-100, at 180 it jumps up between 115 and 125 at the plate, so it's been a little tricky (pyrex pie plate on top of pot of water). I'm thinking I should have forked out the few hundred for a more precise induction cooktop. I bet I'm leaving it on a little too long as my yields have been a little low for my liking....quality is ok (color is ok, quality very good)...maybe it's the difference between 91 and 99 ISO?

CrazyDiamond · Jul 14, 2014

I'll answer my own question...it can't be the difference between 91 and 99, it's me! I only started doing this so I know my tek needs refinement but I will continue to try!

DogBoy · Jul 23, 2014

...I am wondering if ambiant humidity affects the results...

CrazyDiamond · Jul 23, 2014

It does. At least with qwiso/qwet since alcohol absorbs water from the air.

DogBoy · Jul 23, 2014

...another aspect to control for consistent results then...

tuk · Jul 23, 2014

Because your worth it!

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MileHighLife · Jul 23, 2014

Hey guys ... been scraping pyrex for little over a year now. I tried out the old style slick sheet from oil slick early on and liked the idea but hated the fact that the sheet was woven strands of PTFE allowing the super viscous butane and resin mixture of a fresh blast to soak through the sheet. When I heard they changed the design from woven to a solid sheet of PTFE I ordered another roll and was able to do a run last night using it and so far so good. I was able to reclaim every last bit of my run and while the sheet isn't as non-stick as it's silicone brother it's still much easier to work with than having to scrape imo.

Edit: reclaiming your run from the sheet is easiest after a short vac session.

farscaper · Jul 23, 2014

what hg do you all usually run your first vacuum pull to max?

Bouldorado · Jul 23, 2014

I do ~24" Hg, which is about 1" shy of full vacuum up here at elevation.

farscaper · Jul 23, 2014

im about 1000ft above sea level and I have been pushing it all the way to 28-28.5

MileHighLife · Jul 23, 2014

farscaper said:
what hg do you all usually run your first vacuum pull to max?

As @Bouldorado stated full vac up here is about 25 hg. Depending on the size of the run I either blast straight up to full vac or if it's a large run I have to slowly walk it up or it muffins into the lid and walls of the chamber.

DieHard · Jul 23, 2014

I pull full vac at sea level. ( pass 30 on the gauge). After about 2 hours I raise the temperature 5 degrees and lower the vac to 25". Later in the purge I will continue to lower vac in small increments. Also flipping the goods hourly is helpful.

farscaper · Jul 23, 2014

29hg seems my max... and thats a totally dry pull.

in my skunkpharm research as well as observations the higher temps also inhibit how deeply vacuum will go.

edit: does anyone run the vac on a batch any times before they collect?

MileHighLife · Jul 24, 2014

farscaper said:
29hg seems my max... and thats a totally dry pull.

in my skunkpharm research as well as observations the higher temps also inhibit how deeply vacuum will go.

edit: does anyone run the vac on a batch any times before they collect?

I have a pyrex pie plate that fits into my vac chamber and have done full purges on it a few times and just an initial vac session before scraping too. The further the oil is purged the harder it is to scrape but a little heat helps that out.

ataxian · Jul 25, 2014

DieHard said:
I only vac on parchment. I run direct into Pyrex. I cut the circle because my OCD would not allow the square peg in a round hole. The infuser plate sounds like the best thing for me. However, not for extraction purposes. I am pretty happy with my temperature control. It is spot on. I have a lot of quality cookware that won't work on the nuWave.

My last batch is ugly however works!

DieHard · Jul 25, 2014

ataxian said:
My last batch is ugly however works!

That's what counts! It all looks like Liquid Sunshine to me.

MileHighLife · Jul 27, 2014

Strange ... according to skyhigher's findings Ronson butane is "the best" and leaves far less residue behind than capital.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6099306&postcount=28

This list is also up on skunkpharm now too.

farscaper · Jul 27, 2014

I still think that ultimately greywolf recommended pure r600...

although ronson tested lowest... I seem to recall that capital still has the highest N to ISO ratio... but I think they also still recommended lucienne....

anyway... I have a thought and recent experience dictates its potential reality...

cool boil vacuum decarboxylation.

I noticed if winterized shatter is left under vacuum 28hg at around 73°f it will begin to decarb itself...

any thoughts?

Tek for: Extraction Artists

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thermos (flask) tek

tube blasting

closed loop

other? (you gotta be shitting me)

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