Cheap, high - quality nails

063_XOBX · Jul 6, 2014

Semi relevant to the discussion of cheap nails.

I've been using this carb cap for the past couple days and it's a pretty decent improvement with my domeless ti.

I've mostly been dropping a larger than usual dab on the nail then capping it. The restriction let's me get some really dense hits so I'm able to get 2-3 hits out of just a little more than I used for 1. .

syrupy · Jul 6, 2014

063_XOBX said:
Semi relevant to the discussion of cheap nails.

I've been using this carb cap for the past couple days and it's a pretty decent improvement with my domeless ti.

I've mostly been dropping a larger than usual dab on the nail then capping it. The restriction let's me get some really dense hits so I'm able to get 2-3 hits out of just a little more than I used for 1. .

Have you tried the trick of loading the dab cold and cover it with the cap, then heating all that until vapor comes out the chimney. Low temp dab, and you can refresh the heat with a torch. My record is 9 hits off one large dab that way.

063_XOBX · Jul 6, 2014

syrupy said:
Have you tried the trick of loading the dab cold and cover it with the cap, then heating all that until vapor comes out the chimney. Low temp dab, and you can refresh the heat with a torch. My record is 9 hits off one large dab that way.

I just tried it and got 4 KO dabs out of a couple dabs worth. I put the errl on the opposite side I was torching from, is that how you do it?

syrupy · Jul 6, 2014

063_XOBX said:
I just tried it and got 4 KO dabs out of a couple dabs worth. I put the errl on the opposite side I was torching from, is that how you do it?

Good stuff, huh? I don't pay much attention to which side. It all seems to spread pretty evenly across the nail. If you try different placements, let us know how it works. When I have really good wax, this method brings the taste out.

063_XOBX · Jul 6, 2014

syrupy said:
Good stuff, huh? I don't pay much attention to which side. It all seems to spread pretty evenly across the nail. If you try different placements, let us know how it works. When I have really good wax, this method brings the taste out.

All of my concentrates from shatter to crumble taste much better at lower temperatures.

I have a pretty big carb cap and nail head so I started heating the capped nail for ~10 seconds or so and then giving it a quick hit with the torch as needed.

ataxian · Jul 6, 2014

DieHard said:
So... I'm really medicated on some fresh DIY shatter so excuse the pot thought.
I looked through every listing on ebay under the search "Domeless". There are so many shapes and sizes. I think it would be cool to have a Chess set with some of those nails as the pieces.
Titanium on one side and Ceramic on the other...

DIY SHATTER!
Now your speaking ATAXIAN!

063_XOBX said:
Semi relevant to the discussion of cheap nails.

I've been using this carb cap for the past couple days and it's a pretty decent improvement with my domeless ti.

I've mostly been dropping a larger than usual dab on the nail then capping it. The restriction let's me get some really dense hits so I'm able to get 2-3 hits out of just a little more than I used for 1. .

I have a few devices.
The TI DOMELESS NAIL that I have works the best in my case.

Maybe it's my SHATTER?
Flavor
Power
Effect!

One dab and I'm down for the count.
Pajamas on sheets pulled back.

Clean powerful shatter is good with any type of material.

I'm stoked to have a TI DOMELESS and that's my story!

SSVUN~YAH · Jul 14, 2014

llamaman001 said:
On a second note: I really hope no one here is using ANY of the TI they are receiving from china?

I don't get this? Do you have some information for us?

mod note: This post and 8 more have been moved from the Cheap Bubbler thread. In future, please use the right thread, especially when politely asked to do so as you were in this case.

blankrider · Jul 14, 2014

Haven't you heard that all the TI coming from China is actually lead uranium or something. I know for a fact because I am a self proclaimed expert and I heard it through the grape vine

Titanium is NOT expensive. Nails are not hard to machine! DO NOT fall for the hype around highly educated and other expensive brand name nails. They offer the same product just with an incredibly high mark up

llamaman001 · Jul 14, 2014

SSVUN~YAH said:
I don't get this? Do you have some information for us?

Like jamba said, lets not turn this into a TI argument but it is HIGHLY recommended that you stay away from chi-nails. Read some of task rocks blogs, he breaks the nails down and does tests on them and they are NOT up to par. I trust task over anyone else when it comes to TI.

Feel free to not research it properly though and use them, my recommendation is that you dont. Ill gladly spend 50 bucks on a nail than 10 bucks from china and have the idea in my head that it MIGHT or might not be putting out harmful chemicals. Your choice.

063_XOBX · Jul 14, 2014

llamaman001 said:
Like jamba said, lets not turn this into a TI argument but it is HIGHLY recommended that you stay away from chi-nails. Read some of task rocks blogs, he breaks the nails down and does tests on them and they are NOT up to par. I trust task over anyone else when it comes to TI.

Hmmm, highly recommended by the people behind Highly Educated? Because that's not much of an argument.

SSVUN~YAH · Jul 14, 2014

llamaman001 said:
Like jamba said, lets not turn this into a TI argument but it is HIGHLY recommended that you stay away from chi-nails. Read some of task rocks blogs, he breaks the nails down and does tests on them and they are NOT up to par. I trust task over anyone else when it comes to TI.

Feel free to not research it properly though and use them, my recommendation is that you dont. Ill gladly spend 50 bucks on a nail than 10 bucks from china and have the idea in my head that it MIGHT or might not be putting out harmful chemicals. Your choice.

So you don't have any information...
Edit-I would just like facts not opinions, I have not said anything in favor or against, btw...

These aren't aluminum nails...

llamaman001 · Jul 14, 2014

research, look it up in the google, I cant say this enough. Im not going to waste my morning looking up back logs of info. If you care about your health, do the research. Thats all Im going to say. This argument is going no where because people who are saying chi-nails are okay have no proof, and Im showing no proof. Go research the topic for yourself. Worst that can happen is learn something new. End of argument and back onto china glass.

its not just highly educated either, ALL american companies suggest not using china ti products (it could be a business tactic, I understand this but choose to support american TI). There are videos and pictures of how they oxidize differently and/or MELT at certain temps. Its your body, do what you want. I myself do not dab at all any more so this has no relevance to me but thought Id spark the idea of researching the topic before you go blindly using a metal that your heating up hot enough to produce chemical reactions and/or vapor.

063_XOBX · Jul 14, 2014

llamaman001 said:
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its not just highly educated either, ALL american companies suggest not using china ti products (it could be a business tactic, I understand this but choose to support american TI). There are videos and pictures of how they oxidize differently and/or MELT at certain temps. Its your body, do what you want. I myself do not dab at all any more so this has no relevance to me but thought Id spark the idea of researching the topic before you go blindly using a metal that your heating up hot enough to produce chemical reactions and/or vapor.

*Yawn*

To save reading time, broken down into 3 statements about smears:

"it is down to the accuser to prove there is substance to the claims in order to avoid punishment"
"forces the target onto the defensive"
"question the motives of the smears."

It's hard not to see people terrified of "chi-nails" as jingoistic IMO.

llamaman001 · Jul 14, 2014

063_XOBX said:
*Yawn*

To save reading time, broken down into 3 statements about smears:

"it is down to the accuser to prove there is substance to the claims in order to avoid punishment"
"forces the target onto the defensive"
"question the motives of the smears."

It's hard not to see people terrified of "chi-nails" as jingoistic IMO.

Show me proof they are safe and a breakdown list of materials used in chi-nails. Like I said, this argument is over because you cant provide proof and neither can I because Im not willing to waste my afternoon researching a topic Ive already read about for hours on end. Explore and research the topic yourself. Theres no smear campaign here, just an idea Im putting out there to inspire people to research what they are using and ingesting in their bodies.

Cannabis Connoisseur Where did you pick that up for 125?

063_XOBX · Jul 14, 2014

llamaman001 said:
Show me proof they are safe and a breakdown list of materials used in chi-nails. Like I said, this argument is over because you cant provide proof and neither can I because Im not willing to waste my afternoon researching a topic Ive already read about for hours on end. Explore and research the topic yourself. Theres no smear campaign here, just an idea Im putting out there to inspire people to research what they are using and ingesting in their bodies.

Cannabis Connoisseur Where did you pick that up for 125?

Did you even read my first statement pulled from the article on smear campaigns?

It's impossible to prove a negative, the burden of proof falls on the accuser. This has gotten way off topic for this thread but you've got no justifiable reason to be doubling down on an argument you can't back up.

Either back up your argument or admit you're just repeating what HE (and others) have claimed without proof.

HUNTER12 · Jul 15, 2014

This is my cheap version of hopefully will last a bit, bucket nail off eBay.

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farscaper · Jul 15, 2014

HUNTER12 said:
This is my cheap version of hopefully will last a bit, bucket nail off eBay.

ive found the thing I hate about the female bangers is that they get messy if you carb cap and dont clean the nail compulsively. with the nail sits down inside the joint (direct inject) these is not really any mess except in the piece...
but they look kool and allow massive dabs if you can hadle that kinda thing.

my quartz castle actually does a more compete vaporization job but cant handle big dabs cause if its 14mm small size.

HUNTER12 · Jul 15, 2014

farscaper said:
ive found the thing I hate about the female bangers is that they get messy if you carb cap and dont clean the nail compulsively. with the nail sits down inside the joint (direct inject) these is not really any mess except in the piece...
but they look kool and allow massive dabs if you can hadle that kinda thing.

my quartz castle actually does a more compete vaporization job but cant handle big dabs cause if its 14mm small size.

I like that bubbler, that looks really cool. Looks like you got the same bucket nail. Yeah the female joints can get messy, I dont do dabs very often and only very little.

DieHard · Jul 16, 2014

So I reached out to Lamin (@yingmin5 on DhGate) about the titanium nails he has for sale. There are only a couple in his store. Here's the conversation:
JohnMcDieHard 2014-07-16 11:42

Greetings Lamin,
I hope you are well. Thank you for yet another nice bubbler the GB-220. I am enjoying it very much.
I have a question about the Titanium nail TN-001. There are many people including myself, who are very health conscious with smoking products. There is concern about the purity of the metal in these and other nails. Do you have any details about these nails? Exact metal content? Documentation of titanium purity? This information will make many customers comfortable to buy this product. Thank you for your time.
John
DieHard on Fuck Combustion forum.

yingmin5 2014-07-16 11:54

Dear John,
nice to see your information.i do not have much more details about these nails,i just know it is made by titanium,and i do not have the documentation either.but according to the customers' response who have bought it from me,the quality is good,and function well.
ps,these titanium nails not made by our factory,is from another trustworthy supplier.
thanks and best regards
lamin

Reply:

weenstoned · Aug 9, 2014

Don't really know if these qualify as high quality, but Kathy on Dhgate has a couple ceramic nails listed now.

Male:
http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/14-18mm-male-domeless-100-ceramic-nail-oil/202951853.html

Female:
http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/domeless-ceramic-nail-14mm-18mm-male-new/202950774.html

Kinda tempted to pick up one of each. I have heard of ceramic nails not lasting, but for under 10 bucks that wouldn't be a big deal.

ataxian · Aug 10, 2014

063_XOBX said:
*Yawn*

To save reading time, broken down into 3 statements about smears:

"it is down to the accuser to prove there is substance to the claims in order to avoid punishment"
"forces the target onto the defensive"
"question the motives of the smears."

It's hard not to see people terrified of "chi-nails" as jingoistic IMO.

If someone buys a chi-nail from their local smoke shop it's ok?

FlyingLow · Aug 14, 2014

weenstoned said:
Don't really know if these qualify as high quality, but Kathy on Dhgate has a couple ceramic nails listed now.

Male:
http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/14-18mm-male-domeless-100-ceramic-nail-oil/202951853.html

Female:
http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/domeless-ceramic-nail-14mm-18mm-male-new/202950774.html

Kinda tempted to pick up one of each. I have heard of ceramic nails not lasting, but for under 10 bucks that wouldn't be a big deal.

I have the male domeless you linked, $20 at LHS.
I like it as a cheap backup, but I opt for quartz 99.99% of the time.

Ceramic I find tastes as good as quartz and holds heat much better (good for big long dabs), but takes far longer to heat up in comparison to my quartz castle. I find the castle is far easier to judge temps too.

The ceramic is also a bit of a PIA if you are an anal cleaner, takes a lot of heat to torch clean.

farscaper · Aug 21, 2014

I have been using a titanowl 10mm ti nail and carb cap. quite nice. I can see why I didnt like titanium flavor before was a lack of carb cap to use it at proper temp. just wish I had gotten a 10/14 do I dont have to order another to fit my 14mm rig.

Terpenoid · Aug 26, 2014

I'm just getting into dabbing and I'm in the market for a new nail since the cheap glass one that came with my D020 just broke. I'll take the time to read through this whole tread soon, I'm sure it will be a great resource in my decision making. I did a quick scan first and I didn't see anything about this style of nail. Does anyone have experience with one? I thought it was strange so i figured I'd post it up here.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/14mm-Female-...ail-Honey-Wax-Oil-Big-KIDS-toys-/271578016523

DieHard · Sep 1, 2014

Ok so I'm using this today for the first time.http://www.dhgate.com/product/14-18...amic-nail-oil/202951853.html#s1-2-1|849982640
First impression is, that this is a hefty chunk of ceramic. The other thing thing I noticed is that there is a slight ridge around the vertical axis from molding. Causes it to rock in the 18mm joint. Fits pretty tight in a 14mm joint. When I torched it, there was no smell or fumes coming off the nail. No visual indication of how hot it is. I used my infrared thermometer. It seemed to take a long time to heat. Retained heat well but not enough for a second dab. Lots of heat transfer to my Do20. Probably an extension adaptor will help reduce transfer. So...... Cheap? Yes....high quality? Time will tell...

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