EverythingsHazy

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Wouldn't want to risk inhaling any sugar. Sounds like a lung infection waiting to happen if something goes wrong. Not to mention the fact that sugar is annoying as fuck to clean up lol

Anyone know if you can use a coffee grinder (electric) to basically powder your bud and then put that in the volcano? Would it blow through the screens?
 
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hoptimum

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Wouldn't want to risk inhaling any sugar. Sounds like a lung infection waiting to happen if something goes wrong. Not to mention the fact that sugar is annoying as fuck to clean up lol

Anyone know if you can use a coffee grinder (electric) to basically powder your bud and then put that in the volcano? Would it blow through the screens?

I'm not sure what you'd gain by powdering the herb, since the Volcano is a convection vaporizer, and rather efficient at extraction. You can always break up the avb by rubbing it between your fingers and maybe squeeze a little more out of it.
 
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weenstoned

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I got curious so I tried to do a bit of a diy lavatrap. I used a plastic condiment bottle and poked a hole in the bottom. I bought berry sugar since the package described it as extra fine, which was about 5 bucks for a 1 kilo bag. I put 40 grams of sugar in the bottle and used pieces of panty hose to cover the bottom hole and under the cap.

First I tried just inhaling the bags through the sugar apparatus which was kind of a chore. Then I cut a piece of a silicone pad for handling hot dishes and put that over the volcano chamber to make a seal and then poked a hole in the centre for the sugar apparatus to fit into. This was working reasonably well though I had to hold it down. I was definitely getting the sugar flowing like their "special" sugar in the video. Unfortunately then the condiment cap started to melt after a minute or two.

I ate about a quarter of the sugar and don't really think it had much effect. Will probably try the rest tomorrow morning on an empty stomach. I am not sure if it didn't get run enough or maybe the fact that the hole at the top of my apparatus led to it not being exposed long enough.

I am still not totally sold that this process on the actual lavatrap would provide real results. If it does work though I can kind of understand why the company is so secretive since it is a relatively simple process except figuring out what heat resistant materials to use. I'd be having a lot easier time bootlegging this if there was more pictures or videos available. Might stop by the hardware store tomorrow, but I just don't know if I want to put any more money into this.
 

ArthurDent

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Was the sugar able to collect all of the vapor or was there some loss?

When I make edibles I use 1g of good herb per dose. I figure the Lavatrap will need at least that much per dose to make a good edible.
 
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pain101

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after a month with my volcano, i'm loving it. The only thing i miss is the flavour profile of the solo. It's just not quite as delicious, BUT the fact that i'm not having to implode a lung and haul on it for an hour to get my meds in is way worth the trade off.

my temp settings are

386
390
405
420
446

i run about .3 through one bag at each of these temps and it seems to be just perfect for my needs.
i also like to ramp it up to the next temp minus one degree once i pull the bag off. that way when i get back to the next bag, i don't have to wonder if i already hit that temp or not because it's one less than my settings.

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EverythingsHazy

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my temp settings are

386
390
405
420
446

i also like to ramp it up to the next temp minus one degree once i pull the bag off. that way when i get back to the next bag, i don't have to wonder if i already hit that temp or not because it's one less than my settings.


You never combust at those temps? Most people stop before 400F with the volcano don't they?
Also, that's a smart idea with keeping the temp one degree less so you remember you haven't hit it yet.
 

pain101

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lol, i'm pretty sure you're a long way off from combustion.
I'm a medical user, so my goal is not getting a nice buzz on which staying at the lower temps will do, my goal is maximum pain relief, which full extraction gives me.
my solo gets the nugs to a nice dark brown, whereas the 'cano goes to a light brown. (but getting it into me faster is also a big factor in pain control too)


The Marijuana Burn-point. One temp to be aware of is 520 degrees. At this point, the Marijuana will start burning (avoid it if you can).
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=Cannabis&redirect=no
 

EverythingsHazy

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lol, i'm pretty sure you're a long way off from combustion.
I'm a medical user, so my goal is not getting a nice buzz on which staying at the lower temps will do, my goal is maximum pain relief, which full extraction gives me.
my solo gets the nugs to a nice dark brown, whereas the 'cano goes to a light brown. (but getting it into me faster is also a big factor in pain control too)


The Marijuana Burn-point. One temp to be aware of is 520 degrees. At this point, the Marijuana will start burning (avoid it if you can).
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=Cannabis&redirect=no

Makes sense that for medical purposes, the higher temps might be more beneficial extracting the cannabinoids that need more heat to vaporize. However, you also risk releasing Benzene as well at those temps.


It's pretty clear that many of us have our vapes set higher than required to get what we want. Further, I believe that the presence of non-cannabinoid by-products affects the buzz. These by-products are released at temps higher than THC volatilization and may not be good for us.

...Vaporized cannabis emits a thin gray vapor...

I believe that years of traditional combustion has us trained that a big smoke = big buzz. I'm now thinking that big smoke means we're vaping at some temp in excess of what is necessary to release THC and related Cannabinols.

See here: http://www.montananorml.org/docs/McPartland-Russo-JCANT-2001.pdf

QUOTE:
"Vaporizer technology may improve the bioavailability of limonene and
other compounds, which volatilize around the same temperature as THC (see
Figures 1-3). Vaporizers are smoking apparati that heat cannabis to 185C
(365F), which vaporizes THC but is below the ignition point of combustible
plant material. Vaporized cannabis emits a thin gray vapor, whereas combusted
cannabis produces a thick smoke. Thus, vaporizers deliver a better cannabinoid-
to-tar ratio than cigarettes or water pipes (Gieringer 1996). In a recent
study, traces of THC were vaporized at temperatures as low as 140C (284F)
and the majority of THC vaporized by 185C (365F); benzene and other carcinogenic
vapors did not appear until 200C (392F), and cannabis combustion
occurred around 230C (446F) (Gieringer 2001)."


I've read countless threads where people appeared dis-satisfied with a thin vapor. Then others come in with their adjustable thermostats and say how they have their temps jacked way up to get the desired thick vapor. It seems clear that all they are doing is releasing the Cannabinoids, and then also releasing other compounds hat are clearly not healthy.

For example THC is volatilized at 185C. At 200C Benzene is also volatilized.
 
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pain101

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i'm not overly concerned about benzene. I only care about pain relief. the main reason i switch to vaping was combustion was triggering my migraines on an extremely regular basis.

need the other cannibinoids and such for medical purposes. simply have to deal with the introduced radicals elements as life in pain and killing myself is far worse than a little benzene.

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/543218-Specific-boiling-points-and-roles-of-cannabinoids


-addition
OH, i'd like to add that the 'thickest' cloud bags happen by setting 405. much like with my solo, i can't take too much at once, and i find my ramping system to be extremely effective. the 420/446 bags are usually pretty thin, but they do work to reign in the edges of the pain not covered by the rest.
 
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btka

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Sorry i don t understand what you want to do with this sugar... ut why don t you buy a long heat resistent silicone tube that fits on the volcano chamber and which is long enough then buy a syringe put one end of the silicone tube on the end where you would normaly put the needle... and put sugar in the syringewith this silicone tube u can also infuse ur drinks cocktails with thc or oil or whatever you want... look up on youtube for volcano infuse....
 

ArthurDent

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Sorry i don t understand what you want to do with this sugar... ut why don t you buy a long heat resistent silicone tube that fits on the volcano chamber and which is long enough then buy a syringe put one end of the silicone tube on the end where you would normaly put the needle... and put sugar in the syringewith this silicone tube u can also infuse ur drinks cocktails with thc or oil or whatever you want... look up on youtube for volcano infuse....

I think the problem with liquids will be getting all(or even most) of the vapor to infuse. That is where the sugar may help. Though, I don't know if even that would do it.

The tubing and syringe(maybe one of those flavor injectors) isn't a bad idea.
 
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weenstoned

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Ya that is a pretty good idea to use silicone tubing. I have the solid valve set otherwise that probably would have crossed my mind. It would probably be easy to rig up some kind of mason jar set up with one hole in the lid for the tube and a smaller exhaust hole (or series of holes) to let vapor slowly drain out. This might actually be better than the lavatrap design since you'd be able to shake the jar yourself while it is infusing. Kinda thinking they may have based the lavatrap on the solid valve set just to make it seem more complex.

I ate the other 30ish grams of sugar that I infused the day after while sober on an empty stomach and definitely felt some effects. I think my infusion probably was not optimal though so I don't think I reached nearly the full potential of this. Also I probably only used between 0.3-0.5 grams of weed so there would also be room to add there.

I would say the appeal to infusing sugar would be for quick small batch edible weed that is easy to transport. Also it would be easier to make into hard or gummy candies than having to make some kind of tincture. Also just stirring it into coffee is pretty nice.

Kinda wanting an easy valve set even more now.
 
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weenstoned

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An easy valve set is nearly the same price as a lavatrap

Ya that's true, but it would also be nice to be able to fill multiple bags when I have friends over.
Also, the minimal pictures/claiming to have some kind of "magic" sugar kind of turns me off from giving lavatrap any of my money. I am sure that it would be possible to rig up some kind of contraption for the solid valve set, but honestly I am not that great at building stuff and a single hose from an easy valve bowl seems a lot easier. Still haven't been to the hardware store since my initial infusion though, so I may be inspired the next time I am there.

I surely am pleased that there was a medicating effect.
30ish grams of sugar on an empty stomache, sounds like a large dose.
Did you get a sugar buzz too?

Not really. I regularly drink soda/slurpees which have more than 30 grams of sugar (a can of soda is about 39 grams). If you have a zero sugar diet then you might get buzzed, though with a better infusion you could probably end up eating less than 30 grams. Also, I mixed it in with coffee so if I were feeling any kind of sugar buzz the caffeine buzz kind of overshadowed it.
 
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Razor

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Why not just stick with brownies for pain management? Its super easy to infuse coconut oil and make a batch where one will keep you medicated for pain relief for several hours. No need to get put carcinogens like benzene in you if you don't have to right? You could just infuse coconut oil and use it with a dropper too. Works extremely well for pain. This sugar thing sounds kind of useless since its much easier to use other things and then add sugar to that...
 
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ArthurDent

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I may purchase one of these once I get more cash. If they have an easy valve adapter that is.
If I do, I will report back, but it will be a few months before more funds arrive.
 
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EverythingsHazy

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Also, what is the point of doing this sugar infusing thing when you can just get the vapor without attaching it to fattening, unhealthy sugar that you have to eat, while lessening the potency of your vapor at the same time...?
 
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ArthurDent

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Also, what is the point of doing this sugar infusing thing when you can just get the vapor without attaching it to fattening, unhealthy sugar that you have to eat, while lessening the potency of your vapor at the same time...?

I like the idea of an edible on demand. I like to make edibles, but it's an all day process.

I would also only want to use it if the sugar can capture at least 80% of the vapor. I don't expect to fill bags with whatever is left after infusion.
 
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Vitolo

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There is no shortcut to making good strong medibles.
I make cannabutter once a week, and cut it into portions for batches of cookies or candies... depending.
I have a leftover dish, for the butter in excess each time.
Just grab a pat of butter when you want.
I know....I know.....
you want to sprinkle sugar in your coffee and get medicated.
In my opinion, it is not happening easily.
When any THC oils touch hot liquid, they form a "sheen" on the meniscus (top) of the hot liquid, and then attach themselves to the glass.
feel around the inner ring of glass, and you will feel the "glue" on the actual coffee cup.

I make glycerin and everclear tinctures....
They can be taken straight, or put in foods.
They do not do well in liquids... Cold liquid is worse, but hot liquids present their own complications.
Volcano Vapor is best inhaled for my uses!
 

Razor

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There is no shortcut but there is a pretty quick way to make extremely potent edibles... coconut oil. It's amazing, easy to infuse and is actually good for you. It can be used instead of butter or oil in most recipes (not cookies). The entire process takes about 3 hours and the since coconut oil has a very low melting point, you can freeze them, take them out when you want, leave them on the counter for 5 minutes and they are soft again.

Its naturally a bit sweet too.
 
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grokit

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I don't know about hyper, but I can definitely feel it when I eat a bunch of sugar, especially if I haven't had much in a while. I've had some sugar trips while on denny's pie runs before, good times :tup:
 
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