Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

Still loving the flavor of the herc. Nothing tastes better (IMO). Not my electric ceramic nail, not my electric quartz nail, nothing. The clouds are too thick and trigger my asthma. My question is could the black rod possibly help? Am I correct that the black rod would only need one battery instead of two (allowing the use of ss too)? If I could somehow find the iris would I be able to use the black rod with both batteries regulating it down to 3.7 (to make it last longer then just the 1 battery)? Thanks all-

Andy said:

Still loving the flavor of the herc. Nothing tastes better (IMO). Not my electric ceramic nail, not my electric quartz nail, nothing. The clouds are too thick and trigger my asthma. My question is could the black rod possibly help? Am I correct that the black rod would only need one battery instead of two (allowing the use of ss too)? If I could somehow find the iris would I be able to use the black rod with both batteries regulating it down to 3.7 (to make it last longer then just the 1 battery)? Thanks all-

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The iris is for regulating voltage between 3.7 up to 7.4 with the white rod. The black rod is 3.7 only. In other words you cant crank it down with the iris. I suffer from asthma too and sometimes the big high volt clouds can put a hurt on me. With the iris and the white rod you can tone down the voltage to produce smoother (less harsh) and tastier hits. I also use silicone tubing to hook herc up to water filtration. In my case, I use a modified okeanos. The combination really alows me to dial in to what I can handle. Hope this helps.

Andy said:

Still loving the flavor of the herc. Nothing tastes better (IMO). Not my electric ceramic nail, not my electric quartz nail, nothing. The clouds are too thick and trigger my asthma. My question is could the black rod possibly help? Am I correct that the black rod would only need one battery instead of two (allowing the use of ss too)? If I could somehow find the iris would I be able to use the black rod with both batteries regulating it down to 3.7 (to make it last longer then just the 1 battery)? Thanks all-

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Yes. The black rod will help, you can get same size hits with a little more work or whispier tastier hits that will better suit your needs. And yes 1 battery works. Either an 18650 battery with the regular tube or 1-18350 with the SS tube.

And you can dial the herc black rod up to 4.0V with the iris. But as the wise and mighty @Hedonismbot has pointed out many a time (usually towards me) there is no need to dial the black rod up. You also can't use it with the SS tube and the Iris so there really is no advantage. I use my herc white rod and Iris at about 6.0-6.3V and love it. Just for comparison the black rod at 3.7V is comparable to the white rod on the iris set at 5.7V I believe.

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

I was going to wait till next week but you guys are just killing me.

I have in my hands the final version of the Mech top.


Like i said i deliver on my promises. Once testing is done and ready to rock and roll we will put it to production.


Ps.


Titanium Protank coils will be available this week, along with our kiss globes second generation wicking systems, along with titanium grade 2 mt4 tanks for your ejuice.


TITANIUM GRADE 2


Moving the industry like we always do.

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You're the best!
I was wondering which tank is better for my e-liquid?
The up tech protank2, or this new mt4 tank?

I'm also wonder what the benfits of this new mechanical top, or the 8?


Once the iris and new hammer top are available, I'm going to buy an ss kit, a black rod for the hercules, prolly a bender with the hammer top; probably the triton; (What is it?; My kiss cart broke within the first few days, and I'd love an oil cart with a warranty)

I already bought a herbalizer for my daily at home driver.
Now the dream is to have my persei as the perfect portable unit.
I've got the core set up in my car, with a travel case for parties.
The dream is to have the original persei sleeve with the hammer top and hercules in my backpack; the ss kit, with the isis, and an e-liquid tank on it; and the core with the classic top plugged into my car.

I'm also wondering if the hercules is my best bet for herbs? The bender seems awesome, but it would probably never be used at work, or school, or in my car; it'd probably be just for going to friend's houses and parties.
Would getting the 3.7v rod prevent the combustion I sometimes experience in my hercules?

Mynameismud said:

Yes. The black rod will help, you can get same size hits with a little more work or whispier tastier hits that will better suit your needs. And yes 1 battery works. Either an 18650 battery with the regular tube or 1-18350 with the SS tube.

And you can dial the herc black rod up to 4.0V with the iris. But as the wise and mighty @Hedonismbot has pointed out many a time (usually towards me) there is no need to dial the black rod up. You also can't use it with the SS tube and the Iris so there really is no advantage. I use my herc white rod and Iris at about 6.0-6.3V and love it. Just for comparison the black rod at 3.7V is comparable to the white rod on the iris set at 5.7V I believe.

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Wise and mighty, huh? I gotta show that one to the wife! She'll think I have all of you fooled.

Yes, the Iris requires 2 batteries for the input (or a Core) since it is designed to operate off "7.4" volts. So either 2 18350s with the standard Persei tube or 2 18650s using the SS kit.

Using a black heating rod with the Iris is problematic for a couple of reasons. First black rods have a resistance of only 0.8 ohms. This is right around the minimum resistance that the Iris can work with. If the resistance is too low the Iris will just display "Lo" as I recall. Secondly, the black rod when operating at 4 volts is 20 watts of power but needs to draw 5 amps (Ohm's law FTW! ). I believe that 5 amps is the design limit for the Iris. If you raise the voltage any higher than 4 volts the current would exceed 5 amps. I read on here that someone was using a black rod at 4.8v. This gives about the same power level as a SR-74 white rod operating at 8 volts (~28 watts) but the current draw would be 6 amps for the black rod (for the SR-74 white rod the current would only be 3.5 amps). Thirdly, the v1 Iris has a bug that sometimes causes full battery voltage to be applied for a few seconds (usually just before it powers down). If 8 volts were accidentally applied to a 0.8 ohm black rod the current demand would shoot up to 10 amps and the power would be 80 watts! This would likely damage something.

By far the best match to the Iris is the 1.5 ohm SR-71 white rod.

(a link to the actual spreadsheet in my sig!)

Designers (and I was one!) try to avoid low voltage high current power distribution in a system because of what are called I²R losses. That is, the parasitic resistance in a circuit (wires, traces and connectors) cause a power loss that is proportional to the square of the current. So if your circuit has say 0.1 ohms additional due to a poor connection at 6 amps you would lose 3.6 watts of power at that connection. Much better to get the power via higher voltage with lower current (within reason). This is what drew me to the Persei in the first place.

Hedo

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

@ataxian single coil .5 should be good to go brotha.

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I let my SHATTER age for 10 days.
Fresh it will knock you out!
OK not you however you know what I mean?
The flavor is incredible so it's ready to load.

My plan is 0.30 to prime then after I get some clouds I will add 0.30 more.

The K.I.S.S. cart whatever it will hold?
It's fun being a beginner!

Is the new Isis coming out soon? Will it work on vv lower than 3.7 v? Will I need to use it with the double stacked batteries?
Is the Triton coming out soon?
When will new ceramic rods for the hammer top be available?

... does the persei bubbler work with the bender? Would it work with a regular bowl piece? Does it work with the core?

I'm trying to prepare for my next order. I don't even know when it will be!

geetimesthree said:

Is the new Isis coming out soon? Will it work on vv lower than 3.7 v? Will I need to use it with the double stacked batteries?
Is the Triton coming out soon?
When will new ceramic rods for the hammer top be available?

... does the persei bubbler work with the bender? Would it work with a regular bowl piece? Does it work with the core?

I'm trying to prepare for my next order. I don't even know when it will be!

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I believe both old and new Iris go down to 3.0v. Yes, you have to use double stacked batteries (or a Core).

BTW, Isis is a terrorist group in Iraq and Syria. Iris is a vv top for the Persei. Easily confused, I know!

That's a

Hedonismbot said:

I believe both old and new Iris go down to 3.0v. Yes, you have to use double stacked batteries (or a Core).

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That's a shame. What's the purpose of using an isis with a core? Isn't that kind of redundant?

I wanted to use an isis with an ss kit to adjust the flavor of my ejuice.

Are you affiliated with W9 tech? How do you know about the new isis?
I'm praying they make it run with a single battery.

Would the bender or the ceramic heating rod that should come with the hammer work with any of the other tops, like the classic, or the isis?

geetimesthree said:

Would the bender or the ceramic heating rod that should come with the hammer work with any of the other tops, like the classic, or the isis?

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It will. I have used my hammer rod with the classic top. The hammer top is the tits though because it has an on/off switch with a timer. You don't have to hold the button so long. I use the rod to rip dabs, and its a little of a pita to hold the button long enough to get a good glow with the classic top. The proper hammer top makes more sense imo.

I ordered a kiss globe as an impulse buy with some stuff I needed. I bought a kiss v1 when they came out and it died on the second hit, so I wrote them off. That's how wire atomizers are..The kiss globe is pretty sweet though. It is put together much nicer, and it comes with an extra atomizer! At $15 it is an absolute no-brainer. I am going to grab one in 510 for some fucked up end of civilization emergency.

I'm thinking that if the isis doesn't work with the shorty battery, I'll adapt an ss kit with a regular button to be a lighter with the ceramic heating rod, with an option to run the hercules, or the triton;
and I'll have my classic case running my ejuice, with 2 new short batteries, and an option to run the bender (or any attachment really)
and my long batterys will be worthless to me.
And then the core will have the hammer hooked up to it.

It's really a perfect all in one.

I might end up getting that globe, but I think I want to wait it out to see the new triton.

geetimesthree said:

I'm thinking that if the isis doesn't work with the shorty battery, I'll adapt an ss kit with a regular button to be a lighter with the ceramic heating rod, with an option to run the hercules, or the triton;
and I'll have my classic case running my ejuice, with 2 new short batteries, and an option to run the bender (or any attachment really)
and my long batterys will be worthless to me.
And then the core will have the hammer hooked up to it.

It's really a perfect all in one.

I might end up getting that globe, but I think I want to wait it out to see the new triton.

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It won't work with one battery. You want a mod that will boost the voltage. Those are harsh on batteries and/or hardware and not something they plan on doing

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

the 8 has been finalized.

1.Stainless steel construction
2.Mechanical top
3. Surprise
4. Surprise #2


Off to production is goes tomorrow.

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5. PROFIT!

3. iris v2 possibly?, the old v1 looked stainless.
4. the universe?

I've been thinking...

If the Triton is a Hercules style heater/chamber for the Okeanos, then sign me up. A SS, Ti, Delrin, other safe durable material chamber for the Okeanos would also be great.

If the secret feature on the mech top is that it allows you to make heating profiles by recording button pulse sequences, then sign me up.

After these things come out, A Titanium water attachment for the Hercules would be nice. I'm not opposed to SS at all, but I think this particular piece would benefit from the weight savings. (I'm gonna draw this one up)

c0rpse said:

I've been thinking...

If the Triton is a Hercules style heater/chamber for the Okeanos, then sign me up. A SS, Ti, Delrin, other safe durable material chamber for the Okeanos would also be great.

If the secret feature on the mech top is that it allows you to make heating profiles by recording button pulse sequences, then sign me up.

After these things come out, A Titanium water attachment for the Hercules would be nice. I'm not opposed to SS at all, but I think this particular piece would benefit from the weight savings. (I'm gonna draw this one up)

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It is and isnt a hercules style chamber for the Okeanos. It is SS only at this time.

First Secret feature on the mech top gives your three wishes, the first wish being that you cant use the other two for fear of world destruction.

A titanium version of the Okeanos was planned, but majority of the people want something cheap and inexpensive. No market for it to make something thats going to cost over $200 retail. We would only use Ti Grade 2 and thats expensve.

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Testing the 8 with a Kayfun Atty. Next test with the Triton.

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

It is and isnt a hercules style chamber for the Okeanos. It is SS only at this time.

First Secret feature on the mech top gives your three wishes, the first wish being that you cant use the other two for fear of world destruction.

A titanium version of the Okeanos was planned, but majority of the people want something cheap and inexpensive. No market for it to make something thats going to cost over $200 retail. We would only use Ti Grade 2 and thats expensve.

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Testing the 8 with a Kayfun Atty. Next test with the Triton.

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how is the kayfun sitting flush with the 8?, 601 kayfun adapter? if so sign me up, finally I can put kayfun on something other than my provari.
secret feature guess, multiple tube options for different batteries?

3.) 510 connection? Or flush mount adapter?
4) world domination mode

vaporchaser420 said:

how is the kayfun sitting flush with the 8?, 601 kayfun adapter? if so sign me up, finally I can put kayfun on something other than my provari.
secret feature guess, multiple tube options for different batteries?

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You will never know until you pre order. When it is available.

thevaf said:

3.) 510 connection? Or flush mount adapter?
4) world domination mode

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See statement made to @vaporchaser420


All I'm saying guys is wait and you shall see.

8's, Tritons, okeanos, Perseis, Omicrons, O-phos, Flexos, minicron lites, minicrons

It's like going to a restaurant which has TOO much on their menu.(Yes, there is such a thing as too many choices)
Cut the menu down, which will save $ to go towards more R & D, and be less confusing to newbies.
I feel I know W9 products, but I have no idea what tritons and 8's are, or why i even need one.


Love W-9, just griping.

Patrick Hughes said:

I am going to grab one in 510 for some fucked up end of civilization emergency.

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You can't be too prepared for the Zombie apocalypse.

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

You will never know until you pre order. When it is available.

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You are such a tease.

I want to verify I understand the differences between the Persei standard tops and the new 8...
The 8 being a mechanical device has no/minimal electronics?
It creates a connection between batteries and attachment at whatever voltage the battery is currently at?
No short circuit or battery overload protection so possibility of battery getting all explodey if not used correctly i.e. matching resistant of cart to battery config etc.?

For the loss of those features I am gaining reliability? Power?

Would the 8 be preferable when using RDA's or the like?

If you've ever been to Apples website, they compare all models of say, Macbook pro on one page showing similarities and differences. That would be helpful here, imo.

Whatever that 8/Kayfun thing is, it LOOKS AMAZING! Sleek and stylish.

MaxVapor said:

You can't be too prepared for the Zombie apocalypse.



You are such a tease.

I want to verify I understand the differences between the Persei standard tops and the new 8...
The 8 being a mechanical device has no/minimal electronics?
It creates a connection between batteries and attachment at whatever voltage the battery is currently at?
No short circuit or battery overload protection so possibility of battery getting all explodey if not used correctly i.e. matching resistant of cart to battery config etc.?

For the loss of those features I am gaining reliability? Power?

Would the 8 be preferable when using RDA's or the like?

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The 8 is no electronics what so ever. It gives you total power what ever the battery can supply, If a fuck up happens then the user is responsible. Reliability with the 8 is 99.9% I'm sorry but nothing is 100% reliable other then death and taxes.

@Silver420Surfer the kayfun is not part of the package something we are testing.

@THC SCIENTIFIC Is the new 8 top something we will need for future UP tech attachments?? Such as the Triton?