Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

SamuraiSam

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215z said:
False alarm, my center spring is fine, I had pulled a @redijedi808 A quick isobath and I'm rocking and rolling again.

@SamuraiSam NoGoo Vape Scrape The Persei does not provide straight battery voltage, it has a buck-boost converter. When battery voltage is between 4.2V and 3.7V, it will step the voltage down to 3.7V. When battery voltage is between 3.7V and 3.2V, steps ups the voltage to 3.7V. Either way, the Persei drives the Hercules with 3.7V. You are right, in that there is no problem as long as the device drives the Hercules with a constant voltage. The problem with these Evolv devices (DNA12/DNA20/DNA30) and their look-alikes is that they do not give the user the option of selecting voltage. They only let the user select power, which leaves the device to decide what voltage to use.
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I still have a lot to learn about the Persei and way more about the e-cig stuff. Thanks for correcting me. Did even the 1st gen of persei do this? Does the Persei also detect when voltage is between ~6.4-8.4 and regulate it to 7.4V?

That vape tool is the easy to find one I've found. in my experience these don't last long the silicone wears out. What I've seen before looked similar to the metal "wax carving tool" kits made of unknown quality metal that are commonly used as dabbers and scrapers, but these were made of out black or brown (nylon?) plastic.
 
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Just to clear things up the current Persei does not have a buck boost system, it provides battery voltage and that's it.

The Iris is a buck system.

Just clearing things up.

Back to looking for a new temp sensors for the enail testing.
 
Hedonismbot

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215z said:
@SamuraiSam NoGoo Vape Scrape The Persei does not provide straight battery voltage, it has a buck-boost converter. When battery voltage is between 4.2V and 3.7V, it will step the voltage down to 3.7V. When battery voltage is between 3.7V and 3.2V, steps ups the voltage to 3.7V. Either way, the Persei drives the Hercules with 3.7V.
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This is not true! The standard Persei top does not have voltage regulating circuitry. And even the Iris, which is a voltage regulating top is a buck only design. The standard Persei does block out certain voltage ranges to try to protect batteries from draining too much. @SamuraiSam I think you should remove the strikeout in your post. You were right the first time!

By the way, I use the NoGoo Vape Scrape and like it!

Hedo

Edit: Oops. I see @THC SCIENTIFIC beat me to it!
 
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SamuraiSam said:
That vape tool is the easy to find one I've found. in my experience these don't last long the silicone wears out. What I've seen before looked similar to the metal "wax carving tool" kits made of unknown quality metal that are commonly used as dabbers and scrapers, but these were made of out black or brown (nylon?) plastic.
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Are you refering to these teflon coated ones?
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They are available at http://www.bonefolder.com/product_p/t-spatula4piece.htm

I have these and they are OK. They are very thin which is good but the teflon wears off easily. The NoGoo ones are very thick but seem to stick to the concentrates the least. I usually use this (NoGoo) tool for pushing down wax that is stuck to the inside walls of the Herc. I also have the cheap stainless steel tools from India which I prefer for dealing with warm gooey concentrates because I can scape off excess with a blade without damaging the tool.

I use all three types on occasion: stainless steel, teflon coated and silicone. edit: I certainly woudn't use either the teflon or silicone tools for dabbing though! (but I never dab anyway!)

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thevaf

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SamuraiSam said:
What you're having to do is a function of using the "battery" you've chosen. I think what G means is it's constant varying wattage means the voltage it applies is increasing in relationship to the increasing resistance of the ceramic. This is causing you to want to turn down the setting on your battery as the rod gets too hot. What I'm curious about, not knowing a ton about e-cigs, is if in you set it to variable voltage and just leave it at 4v or 3.7V will that solve the problem?

If you were using the Persei you would be using straight battery voltage so it wouldn't be increasing in overall wattage. It would also be nicer to the battery. The circuitry of a vw/vv battery, is taking a 3.7v battery and stepping it up. the increased drain on the battery to create the higher voltage causes more strain on the battery, too.(wrong)

On a separate note, I recall seeing some pictures of a nylon scraper/carving set that looked very handy for scraping out KISS carts posted earlier in this thread, but searches have yielded no results. Anyone recall what I'm talking about?
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no need for strikethrough because you are right. The persei just gives straight battery voltage. However, unlike a mech, it has circuitry to have low voltage cutoff (blinks 3 times when batteries need to be charged) and over current protection (when you short your hercules it also blinks 3 times).

DNA30 is a VW device, therefore the user can only change the power output and the chip adjusts the voltage based on the resistance reading at the time of firing. So from a cold start @ 20w the Herc will read 1.6ohms/5.6v, then after my first big cloud, I will fire it again and the resistance will read 1.9-2.0 ohms/6.1-6.3v.

@THC SCIENTIFIC If I set my power to 20W, whats wrong with running the herc at 5.6v? what are the issues if it climbs to 6.3v?
Worst case scenario is that if voltage on the battery dips to 3.2V (drained battery) I will be pulling 7-7.5A/23.5W (assuming the DNA has 85-90% efficiency) - but with a 30A limit I have about 93% of headroom. And I should be getting about 20-25min of runtime when battery is charged.
Also since this is the Persei Thread this is the last I'll post regarding this topic - i apologize if I derailed the thread in any way
 
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davidwu

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THC SCIENTIFIC said:
wire heaters aka outdated technology.
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Q. Why does UPTECH uses outdated technology in their products?

I have a KISS cart that lasted a couple of days... why would I pay to have you replace it again with the same outdated tech you used the first time around?

Really.... I'm confused. Your support told me to buy another cart, yet you are telling us that it's outdated?
 
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davidwu

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@thevaf: put your worries to rest, the DNA is a fine device and is likely a much better fit as you will be able to adjust the vape to your liking via user adjustments and safety is something to consider here too... the DNA has many safety features missing here. You are currently comparing apples to oranges. Enjoy your DNA-30!!
 
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davidwu said:
Q. Why does UPTECH uses outdated technology in their products?

I have a KISS cart that lasted a couple of days... why would I pay to have you replace it again with the same outdated tech you used the first time around?

Really.... I'm confused. Your support told me to buy another cart, yet you are telling us that it's outdated?
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The kiss cartridges are outdated when compared to the Hercules SR74 and SR71. Yes our support said that because no company in the world warranties a cartridge of this kind.


davidwu said:
@thevaf: put your worries to rest, the DNA is a fine device and is likely a much better fit as you will be able to adjust the vape to your liking via user adjustments and safety is something to consider here too... the DNA has many safety features missing here. You are currently comparing apples to oranges. Enjoy your DNA-30!!
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As for the DNA being a great device it is. Just not for the Hercules.


@thevaf please understand we are not fans of boost systems. All im saying is just be careful when using such a device. Remember ecig atomizers do not run for 10-15 seconds at a time they are more on the 2-4 second bursts.
 
SamuraiSam

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Hedonismbot said:
Are you refering to these teflon coated ones?
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They are available at http://www.bonefolder.com/product_p/t-spatula4piece.htm

I have these and they are OK. They are very thin which is good but the teflon wears off easily. The NoGoo ones are very thick but seem to stick to the concentrates the least. I usually use this (NoGoo) tool for pushing down wax that is stuck to the inside walls of the Herc. I also have the cheap stainless steel tools from India which I prefer for dealing with warm gooey concentrates because I can scape off excess with a blade without damaging the tool.

I use all three types on occasion: stainless steel, teflon coated and silicone. edit: I certainly woudn't use either the teflon or silicone tools for dabbing though! (but I never dab anyway!)

Hedo
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Those are the ones I was thinking of! The "Wax Scraper" kit is available on Amazon but the "Mini Spatula" kit that you linked to is not :(. I think you have the right idea on the best shapes for handling concentrates/working with the KISS so I'll have to order them up from Bonescraper. Thank you!
 
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thevaf

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ataxian said:
A PERSEI body with a transformer top with a stainless steel heater bowl.
Inter changeable with another portables GonG's and stems!
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Is that a no? Maybe a yes?
Transformer top? Stainless heater bowl? I thought it was ceramic bowl. I think I might need to use my herc before I can decipher your posts!
 
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thevaf said:
Is that a no? Maybe a yes?
Transformer top? Stainless heater bowl? I thought it was ceramic bowl. I think I might need to use my herc before I can decipher your posts!
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@thevaf hes talking about the transformers robots as a joke.

For a herb vape working on it. The duction and vection h20 versions not sure when it will be out but working on it.
 
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herbivore21

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For all of you who are using the SR74 and have wondered about the 3.7v black rod but avoided it due to inconsistent reports here:

Get it.

Also, get yourself a hammer top. The 3.7v sr74 does take 20-30 seconds to heat up enough to give you good clouds, the hammer top means you only need to press the button once to start heating, and once to stop heating just before you take your cooldown hits. No holding buttons for ages whilst counting in your head lol

This will be even easier to achieve by taking advantage of the sr74x when it comes out, which I believe will make the rod placement easier when you change your herc to 3.7v ;)
 
syrupy

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herbivore21 said:
Also, get yourself a hammer top. The 3.7v sr74 does take 20-30 seconds to heat up enough to give you good clouds, the hammer top means you only need to press the button once to start heating, and once to stop heating just before you take your cooldown hits. No holding buttons for ages whilst counting in your head lol
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Good advice. Technically you only have to press the button less than that. Once to turn the rod on, then when done place the Persei on the table, which will activate shock protection and automatically turn it off.
 
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davidwu

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THC SCIENTIFIC said:
The kiss cartridges are outdated when compared to the Hercules SR74 and SR71. Yes our support said that because no company in the world warranties a cartridge of this kind.
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The KISS cart I have was included in the OKEANOS I purchased from you guys a month or two ago.... maybe I am confused as to the release dates of these products, but I thought the OKEANOS was your latest and greatest device?

THC SCIENTIFIC said:
As for the DNA being a great device it is. Just not for the Hercules.

@thevaf please understand we are not fans of boost systems. All im saying is just be careful when using such a device. Remember ecig atomizers do not run for 10-15 seconds at a time they are more on the 2-4 second bursts.
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Wouldn't the SR-7* be happier running that 10-15 seconds at a constant? Maybe I am also mistaken here as well... or maybe things have changed since I owned a Persei, but isn't the Persei a mech mod? If so, how do you explain the voltage drop over that 10-15 seconds.... and then discount a device that has a regulated output?

Which brings up another question... why the Iris? I thought the whole idea there was.... a regulated output.
 
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davidwu said:
The KISS cart I have was included in the OKEANOS I purchased from you guys a month or two ago.... maybe I am confused as to the release dates of these products, but I thought the OKEANOS was your latest and greatest device?
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The Okeanos is a micro bubbler set on top of the kiss cartridge. The Okeanos also has the Triton cartridge that we are working on. This cartridge will have a warranty on it.

davidwu said:
Wouldn't the SR-7* be happier running that 10-15 seconds at a constant? Maybe I am also mistaken here as well... or maybe things have changed since I owned a Persei, but isn't the Persei a mech mod? If so, how do you explain the voltage drop over that 10-15 seconds.... and then discount a device that has a regulated output?

Which brings up another question... why the Iris? I thought the whole idea there was.... a regulated output.
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Please reread my post. At no place have I mentioned the Persei being a mechanical mod.

I did mention the Hercules likes 10+ seconds run time and most of the time people take it to 20+ seconds.

I have no clue what you are talking about when you say voltage drop then discount the device.


The Iris is made to so that you can fine tune your desired voltage. Hope this explains it all.
 
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davidwu said:
Wouldn't the SR-7* be happier running that 10-15 seconds at a constant?
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But a constant what is the question. The Herc is really looking for constant voltage supply not a constant wattage supply. The fact that Herc increases in resistance during the first few seconds of operation is a performance feature (as well as a safety feature) that delivers a boost of energy initially to get the vapor going and then automatically lowers the power as the resistance increases from the heat. If you use a constant wattage supply, the supply will try to cancel out that automatic drop down in power. Not a fatal problem but I like the natural way the heating rods behave.

Maybe I am also mistaken here as well... or maybe things have changed since I owned a Persei, but isn't the Persei a mech mod? If so, how do you explain the voltage drop over that 10-15 seconds.... and then discount a device that has a regulated output?
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The standard Persei top is not a pure mech mod as I understand them because it has a lot of protection circuitry built in but it does no regulation. But if you are getting significant voltage drop in 10-15 seconds I would think you need better batteries! No one's discounting a device with a regulated voltage output.

Which brings up another question... why the Iris? I thought the whole idea there was.... a regulated output.
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Again, regulated voltage output. The Iris because it runs off two batteries in series so can deliver constant regulated voltage up to 7.4v while keeping the current limited to no more than 5 amps. This provides for up to 37 watts of regulated voltage output without the ridiculously high current levels that a single battery would have to supply in a boost type configuration.

Hedo

Is this detail getting too boring for everyone else?

edit: god I miss my Iris! :cry: (almost forgot my usual whine...)
 
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herbivore21

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This thread is sorely, sorely missing videos.

As such, here's my 3.7v herc with shorty tube and an 18350 through my Luke Wilson bubbler. The shortness of the hit was deliberate, to demonstrate the control of clouds going on up in here! Can do much bigger hits also!


There is no other way I can get short, great tasting one-hitter style rips from oils. For those of you who use oils to medicate during the day and don't want to be completely off face - but hate refilling traditional one hit carts - meet the 3.7v herc.
 
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215z

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Hi @davidwu their greatest is the Hercules in combination with the Nibbler XL. The Okeanos is a more portable compact device, and as an owner, I agree that the KISS cart is its Achilles heel.

Filament heating elements are expensive in the long run, but boy are they compact and energy efficient. The Okeanos serves me well because I can't walk down the street with the Nibbler XL on top of the Herc. An Okeanos on top of a 22mm electronic cigarette device looks convincingly like an e-cig tank set up. I have swapped out the KISS cart with a 601-510 adapter and an e-cig rebuildable atomizer.

I hope they some day make an Okeanos base-plate that has a rebuildable atomizer deck built in. A ceramic deck, thumbscrews on posts... my stoner fantasy.
 
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itschad

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THC SCIENTIFIC said:
The Okeanos is a micro bubbler set on top of the kiss cartridge. The Okeanos also has the Triton cartridge that we are working on. This cartridge will have a warranty on it.



Please reread my post. At no place have I mentioned the Persei being a mechanical mod.

I did mention the Hercules likes 10+ seconds run time and most of the time people take it to 20+ seconds.

I have no clue what you are talking about when you say voltage drop then discount the device.


The Iris is made to so that you can fine tune your desired voltage. Hope this explains it all.
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Can you give us ANYTHING about the triton to drool over? I fucking LOVE my okeanos but honestly after using my SR71 for about 2 weeks, i have to fully reload my okeanos like 3 times to get medicated lol
 
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c0rpse

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I am thinking about grabbing a second Hercules to experiment with 3.7v. I have a hammer top with no functional purpose, so I figure they would be a good match.

I am wondering if I should wait to see the the new tops though. THC is really pumping up the Mech Top. I am definitely getting one and I would hate to find out that I should have gone with something besides a second Herc.
 
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itschad

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c0rpse said:
I am thinking about grabbing a second Hercules to experiment with 3.7v. I have a hammer top with no functional purpose, so I figure they would be a good match.

I am wondering if I should wait to see the the new tops though. THC is really pumping up the Mech Top. I am definitely getting one and I would hate to find out that I should have gone with something besides a second Herc.
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same. i definitely want to use a 3.7v setup and feel like you NEED an on / off top. not sure if i should buy a hammer top or wait for one of the new ones
 
Severmore

Severmore

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With the correct 510-610 adapter, is the Persei capable of firing Divine Tribe's latest 0.7-0.8ohm ceramic doughnut atomizer, or will the internal circuitry prevent proper operation?

Thanks!
 
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