I`ve just seen a quote attributed to Hecate (dark moon Goddess). "I am the absence of air that waits at the bottom of every breath." Sounds like my technique !
Discontinued Thermovape Cera
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Mini Bones
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Has anyone tried using the Magic Flight Finishing Grinder with the Cera LL? I was wondering if that fine ground herb will make for a better vape or if that grind will be too fine?
llamaman001
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that should be perfect mini bones, I grind mine to almost a powder like texture
FUnhouse
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And my first questions .
I have searched parts of this forum and read a lot but its overwhelming but I will keep looking
I got EO loaded up for the first time with about a 3rd of gram of shatter .
Loaded fine and gave off two or three big nice hits. Then the hits got smaller .
I let it heat up for a while and got very little vapor . I then loaded a small dab of another wax and I got one hit and then nothing.
I know I am doing something wrong . Don't know if it is the loading or hitting that is the problem?
Any Tips
I got my Cera Free form a generous FC member and it does not have the pin . is that something I can buy? Should I bother ?
Anyone got any coll case ideas . I've seen the Pelican cases .Trying to find something different.
Appreciate any help I can get
I have searched parts of this forum and read a lot but its overwhelming but I will keep looking
I got EO loaded up for the first time with about a 3rd of gram of shatter .
Loaded fine and gave off two or three big nice hits. Then the hits got smaller .
I let it heat up for a while and got very little vapor . I then loaded a small dab of another wax and I got one hit and then nothing.
I know I am doing something wrong . Don't know if it is the loading or hitting that is the problem?
Any Tips
I got my Cera Free form a generous FC member and it does not have the pin . is that something I can buy? Should I bother ?
Anyone got any coll case ideas . I've seen the Pelican cases .Trying to find something different.
Appreciate any help I can get
OF
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Perfectly normal. You need a base of about .25 grams, which varies some with concentrate. From dry try starting with .5 grams, putting another .5 (at least .25) when you go down to .25. Once you learn it, you can modify it so suit you. You're just trying to run with too small a load.
The pin is safety related, I'm sure TV will send you another, ask them?
OF
OF
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You're welcome.
Go by weight, try reloading when it drops to .25 over dry. If you didn't weigh it dry (common) assume it's about there now (or even past if the hits are thin), load at least .25 more and go again. Pushing it for vapor 'cooks' the oil, effecting the taste badly. Avoid it. Eventually you'll learn to 'read' the top plate (you want it 'moist looking' but not flooded), as well as production fall off and will no longer need to weigh. At the start, use weight though.
OF
OF
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It's in there, absorbed into the bulk of the ceramic reservoir material. Which is why you can weigh it.....
Some guys call such starting loads 'base'. Does that help?
OF
OF
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Caution is good. But avoid pushing it when it starts to run dry, reload and keep it fresh. Remember those first few hits? Try for better, don't settle for less.
Regards.
OF
OF
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Don't get distracted. You only need to prime that pump once......
Cera LL is very economical in that it very completely extracts, but it's so nice to use you tend to enjoy more than needed if you follow? Excellent taste, easy to maintain.
OF
Psybero
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Well, she is here and Cera proves to be a fickle mistress. She's my first vape experience and it will certainly take getting used to, not only the taste and high resulting from Cera LL use, (so different from spliffs...vape taste seem to be so much smoother in comparison to smoke, as is the high it produces), but getting those decent clouds too.
I found herb easier to work with (and surprisingly nice tasting) so I will master Cera using ground herb, before I switch back to my solid hash.
Do the same principals (loading minimal quantity for good vaperesult) apply to LL as EO? I think I was too careful loading it up, as my experience were similar to FUnhouse. (Albeit his were with EO) Two good clouds, great taste and then close to nothing. Packed the chamber only half, guess that's not enough?
Guess I'll be buying a scale to weigh the loads next time... so I can reproduce exact loads and thus practice and adjust my technique. All advice welcome.
I found herb easier to work with (and surprisingly nice tasting) so I will master Cera using ground herb, before I switch back to my solid hash.
Do the same principals (loading minimal quantity for good vaperesult) apply to LL as EO? I think I was too careful loading it up, as my experience were similar to FUnhouse. (Albeit his were with EO) Two good clouds, great taste and then close to nothing. Packed the chamber only half, guess that's not enough?
Guess I'll be buying a scale to weigh the loads next time... so I can reproduce exact loads and thus practice and adjust my technique. All advice welcome.
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VapoRoor
DAB-a-DAB I'll dooooo
You really don't need a scale unless you are curious for the perfect amount and want to experiment?
In that case, charge on.
To answer your question, half a bowl is exactly why you got 2 good clouds.
I scoop up some material from my grinder using a regular sized medicine bottle and tap in the material until it is too the rim. Not overflowing just right at the rim.
You can LIGHTLY pack the Load down or just pop on your top cap. It's up to you.
A few tips for the LL :
- Don't try and vape a fresh bowl if your battery is at 3.8 volts or below. It's better at 4.2 volts ($5 multimeter at harbor & freight)
- If your bowl is getting dirty. Just take 5 or so q-tips and wipe clean. (I like to lightly run the q-tip across my tongue just so no strands of cotton contaminate my LL Hash)
- By LL Hash I mean, after about 5 bowls you will start to see any leftovers turn into hash particles building up from the components you Vape. DON'T THROW AWAY. I never saved it because I figured. It's left overs. it's no good.
- I WAS SO WRONG hahaha
- But seriously that s*** is p-p-p-potent
- Last tip, have a fucking blast with your new toy :-)
FUnhouse
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So after another night I am still frustrated .
I have loaded almost a full gram of wax (at least 3/4 ) and gotten a total of about seven good hits .
I don't have a scale so I cant tell exactly how much .
After about the second hit of a load ( I am guessing about .3-.5) the hits start to taste bad.
The good hits are good and make me want to keep trying but I feel like I am wasting wax .
I was hoping to buy a LL cart down the line and use this as my main vape . But if this keeps up I might have to go anther direction .
off topic a bit .
I have been vaping concentrates for about a month now. Before I was smoking flowers with some hash (and some time wax if i could not find hash)
And I am feeling like I need to vape flowers. Maybe.
I am finding as I have posted other places that I still have to smoke some flower before I go to bed to get to sleep . I have used MM for pain and sleep for a long time now .
Vaping the wax does not seem to make me sleepy . So I think I need a vape for flowers that I can vape at high temps late at night . And I don't know if the Cera LL with have enough control ,or be reliable enough .
I admit I am easily frustrated and want to get my meds in me with as little hassle as possible. But I also want the cleanest least harmful way as I am sure everyone else here does .
Definitely going to keep trying for another day .
I have loaded almost a full gram of wax (at least 3/4 ) and gotten a total of about seven good hits .
I don't have a scale so I cant tell exactly how much .
After about the second hit of a load ( I am guessing about .3-.5) the hits start to taste bad.
The good hits are good and make me want to keep trying but I feel like I am wasting wax .
I was hoping to buy a LL cart down the line and use this as my main vape . But if this keeps up I might have to go anther direction .
off topic a bit .
I have been vaping concentrates for about a month now. Before I was smoking flowers with some hash (and some time wax if i could not find hash)
And I am feeling like I need to vape flowers. Maybe.
I am finding as I have posted other places that I still have to smoke some flower before I go to bed to get to sleep . I have used MM for pain and sleep for a long time now .
Vaping the wax does not seem to make me sleepy . So I think I need a vape for flowers that I can vape at high temps late at night . And I don't know if the Cera LL with have enough control ,or be reliable enough .
I admit I am easily frustrated and want to get my meds in me with as little hassle as possible. But I also want the cleanest least harmful way as I am sure everyone else here does .
Definitely going to keep trying for another day .
OF
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OK sounds like several problems, hopefully not interconnected. Let's take a stab at the two above?
If you're confident you've loaded over half a gram and haven't taken much out I'm starting to question the concentrate. Sounds like it's not feeding up to the surface correctly to refresh it for the next hit. How does it do in the foil test? Especially the residue part. Is there any? What does it look like?
On the second point, if you're craving the heavier components concentrates will be a factor here. Sometimes guys are after the CBD part, I'm one of them who finds high CBD products to have improved MMJ traits. I'm hording a couple of grams of 'High CBD' CO2 oil that was in the local shops a while back, a 'on time deal' I was told, I bought 'em out. You can explore this idea with high CBD bud like Cannatonic and Jamaican Lion (the former being my fav.). Up until lately breeding was done to maximize THC at the expense of CBDs. MMJ has, it seems, started to change that.
The temperatures needed are higher as you say, some 'past popcorn' in fact. This brings up a taste issue that you might address with a WT. Cera LL, having a core running about 1500F to draw on, can deal well with the higher temperatures.
You may or may not have a concentrate performance problem and extra CBD might be what you're looking for. I suggest we start there? How's your foil test doing and can you get such strains locally?
BTW, non solvent extracted hashes (keif, bubble, dry ice, and so on) will carry the full spectrum (not normal in Butane extractions I'm told), so bubble hash in your LL Cera is another potential option.
OF
FUnhouse
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Well both of the waxes (one was shatter ) so no foil test for them
I have another half gram of shatter I will try a foil test on . But I was thinking the same thing . I am still new to concentrates and still am learning how to tell quality before I buy .If that wax is questionable do I need to clean and start over or should I leave that as the "base".
I got some "high cbd" wax called Cheesil ? it is too crumbly to even make a ball out of and will probably end up getting smoked (would that work in the LL?) I look for high cbd strains but I should probably look harder .
"you might address with a WT" WT?
And this is one thing I was looking forward to as I have always done well with hash in the past .
Thanks again Will run foil test on my other wax and let you know !
clean the cart, send it for a rebuild for $25, issue solved
FUnhouse
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clean the cart, send it for a rebuild for $25, issue solved
I just got the Cera and was told the carts were recently rebuilt .
But maybe I will clean it today . i just don't want to put another third of a gram in jut to get a hit or two and wast the rest of my wax .
And do I need to do this every time ? Why is the Crea is this picky about wax . I can not guarantee the quality of the wax ( I can only rely on what I am told . And i have no possibility of making any ) And I can trow it on My Omicron light and it works fine now splattering or sparking .
I have no problem foil testing my wax but if i didn't have the other vape I would just be screwed ? Just have to put half of it in the Cera cart and see if maybe it will work ?That just makes no sense to me ?
I am more than willing to learn this thing and I really want to but It now seems like you have to have more control over the wax than I think I can get .
I don't trust that most of the dispensaries around here are even giving me the correct strain all the time but I have enough experience with flower to know and to be able to tell quality But not with wax . And i don't think they know either usually.
I am just looking for the safest most economical way to deliver my meds .
I am thinking I might just have to go back to flowers . At leas i know what I am getting (for the most part) But with all this frustration I don't know if I will bother with the Cera LL . Then I need to choose a flower vape and that's a whole other problem
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llamaman001
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Something is definitely off because I just load .1 at a time with great results. Never did the "base" thing either but I usually have great luck without running into problems and things working the way they should.
Oh man i hear you then. When i loaded shatter in my eo it was just a couple crumbs and i got maybe 20-30 nice hits if that helps. Dont ride the heat though cause itll burn it and taste like shit if you load too much itll clog and if no air is going through itll cook your product and funk the ceramic
if you load too much itll clog and if no air is going through itll cook your product and funk the ceramic
OF
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Well both of the waxes (one was shatter ) so no foil test for them
I got some "high cbd" wax called Cheesil ? it is too crumbly to even make a ball out of and will probably end up getting smoked (would that work in the LL?) I look for high cbd strains but I should probably look harder .
"you might address with a WT" WT?
And this is one thing I was looking forward to as I have always done well with hash in the past .
Bummer. Hard to test after they're loaded......
Crumbly wax should do fine if it passes the foil test. For a while I was using a LOT of very nice SD wax from the local dispensary. It had some residue and fouled slowly, but was just lovely to vape. I didn't mind loosing the occasional .25 grams in cleaning.
Very tough call, but if it's contaminated concentrate putting good stuff in on top is 'throwing good money after bad' as they say. And a third of a gram will get us back to the original 'not really enough for serious sessions point?
Sorry to be too cryptic, WT is Water Tool. Some sort of water pipe. The Cera top is designed to mate up with the standard (14 and 18mm) connector sizes. The water takes some of the harshness out, cools the vapor and traps some of the waxes and junk. Small ones are often called 'bubblers', there's a cheap glass thread worth reading, the "F Bomb" and "Pinnacle Water Tool" are also common favorites. I kinda like this guy:
http://www.pipesdaddy.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VP-0022
OF
OF
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That's how it should work out, not to worry. The SD Wax (Butane extracted) still went 6 or 8 grams between cleanings. I would do 2.5 maybe even 3 grams on an Omicron cart, there are much worse offenders.
I've got an EO core that's probably about an ounce of mixed CO2 oils down the road, I'm starting to think about cleaning it. I've also tested waxes and 'taffies' that would not vape on a bet. I foolishly added a little left over taffy I came across (maybe .25?) in an otherwise well working cart.....killed it.
Bitter pill to swallow, but if you have good concentrate that does well on the foil test I'd be thinking cleaning I think...... If it's contamination, it's not going to get better. You might have some luck draining part of it out as I don't think it's absorbed at all well. I'd try heating it while inverted before I boiled it?
Good luck, IMO it's well worth getting sorted out.
OF