Discontinued Loto Labs Lux (formerly Evoke)

RUDE BOY

Space is the Place
There's a Loto labs evoke thread already in this section of thread candidates, I too am waiting to see more.
 
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Egzoset

Banned
Salutations,

...its the "worlds first induction vaporizer" - not even sure if its intended for use with Cannabis.

Hummm... As i recall the "1st" IH vaporizer was demonstrated a long while ago:


Then this was forgotten in total indiference... Just bad timing i guess!

To be honest i'm not even able to tell with certainty that really was the 1st attempt...

...I too am waiting to see more.

M'yeah, the news sure ain't coming fast even on the other board where he started his venture! But at least i know WizardG is alive: as a matter of fact yesterday he happened to provide me some constructive feedback!

:peace:
 

RUDE BOY

Space is the Place
I won't have a use for it if it only is good for oil although I would like to see how they have progressed with the induction heater, more options are always nice.
 
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Egzoset

Banned
Salutations Rude Boy,

I won't have a use for it if it only is good for oil...

Me neither but if it's true 300 - 310 °C (572 - 590 °F) is the target temperature for a ceramic nail then it seems reasonable to assume that's enough heat for dry flowers as well.

...although I would like to see how they have progressed with the induction heater, more options are always nice.

My guess is that in absence of competition there's plenty of time for that indeed, hopefully for the best.

:peace:
 
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SameOldTim

Previously Known as 'ThermoCoreTim'
Manufacturer
Nice, another campaign!

How powerful is the heater? Watts?

Is there going to be any RF interference that could interfere with pacemakers or other electronics? UL listing? FCC 97?

Is the heater going to be adjustable within each model?

What method does the Loose Leaf version use to heat the plant material?

Cosmetically it looks great!

Tim
 

Loto Labs

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Manufacturer
Dear Tim,

RF shielding is essential and we will obviously comply with FCC. Fortunately, well placed metal foil does the trick - more than one layer if required.

Also some of the answers are in the FAQ section of the indiegogo page

Th amount of wattage depends on geometry but it will be a lot for a portable vaporizer - several 10's. The issue here is that the wick is like a transformer secondary coil that is shorted. By changing the voltage in the primary coil we can put a lot of power into the 'secondary'. The voltage on the primary in turn can be increased by pushing more energy into the oscillator. (The charge is pumped into the oscillator as the voltage crosses zero so the battery voltage does not matter.)
 

Loto Labs

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Manufacturer
Dear SiDankies,

This is for not only for e-liquids. We are making discrete models for oil/wax, Loose-leaf and e-lliquds. Please pick your favorite method and support us here today!
 

Egzoset

Banned
Salutations SameOldTim,
Salutations Loto Labs,

Nice, another...

My guess is this could be interpreted as the expression of a person thinking we've got plenty already, e.g. what's in it that makes this particular project more worthy of my attention than all the others before?

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By chance i may have an entertaining answer to this riddle as i wondered myself! So please, hang around with me a while longer...

:D

The charge is pumped...

Out of curiosity, since i can't resist the urge, while having a manufacturer around who seeks feedback from our FC community.

:tup::clap:

It's a simple question, really.

What would be the absolute minimal amount of electronic components required for a KISS IH vaporizer system?

As in, Keep It Silly Simple!!

:2c:

My motive for asking is that Induction Heating may be viable but i believe that once combined into a structure based on some Curie alloy then such simplification can be reasonably expected to result in a lower failure rate. In fact, if we suppose for the sake of discussion that all it takes to work is a battery, a switch, a power-driver (semiconductor with some discrete parts) and an IH coil of appropriately shape, euh... Then another question could be raised:

Provided the unit follows the KISS design principle, considering it's quite a blessing that this is among the options (because such device is practically equivalent to a lamp dimmer, or a digital household thermostat - even probably sturdier actually); because nothing fancy is requied to implement a magnetic pump (and madame Curie would love to be put to contribution i suspect!)... Which feature would gain FC's preference?

More lights with buttons or a fail-safe unbreakable device?

:nod:

So, what i gues i'm saying is that the route ahead that leads to an "intelligent" chip, euh... Lets put it this way: i'm not saying it's no good, no. But there's potential for a KISS IH product with no displays nor dials and/or switches to fail on us, etc... As a matter of fact even the fixed thermostatic action is garanteed to work once implemented, as long as magnetic energy is pumped in: it's inside the alloy itself!

So, my suggestion has 2 sides but there's only 1 central thing to be honest:

a) DIY kit
b) Deluxe Option

As a DIY kit it would only include the basics: hold the button to heat until the Curie point is reached then release... The Deluxe scenario comes with all the bells and whistles imaginable, USB, WiFi... You name it!

IMO, even if the price tags are eventually (read "theoretically") felt to be fair in both cases, then my impression is the members of FC might like having the choice to trade-off between "intelligence" and a KISS alternative... Especially if there's next to nothing to break.

Euh... Maybe a poll would tell or i've just given it too much imagination already!!

Any impressions?

:peace:
 
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Egzoset,

SameOldTim

Previously Known as 'ThermoCoreTim'
Manufacturer
Dear Tim,

RF shielding is essential and we will obviously comply with FCC. Fortunately, well placed metal foil does the trick - more than one layer if required.

Also some of the answers are in the FAQ section of the indiegogo page

Th amount of wattage depends on geometry but it will be a lot for a portable vaporizer - several 10's. The issue here is that the wick is like a transformer secondary coil that is shorted. By changing the voltage in the primary coil we can put a lot of power into the 'secondary'. The voltage on the primary in turn can be increased by pushing more energy into the oscillator. (The charge is pumped into the oscillator as the voltage crosses zero so the battery voltage does not matter.)
Thanks for the answers!

The question we all have, is how well does it work with oils and flowers? The video only shows efluid I believe.

Also what kind of battery will it use?

Tim
 

Loto Labs

Well-Known Member
Manufacturer
Dear Egzoset,

Your suggestion of a minimalist system and a 'deluxe' system is thought provoking and I have sympathy with it - after all we made the demo circuits in our garage. Unfortunately there is a fundamental contradiction which is that it will take significantly more R&D to develop the simple system than the complex one. This is because what we can do by 'brute force' with a microcontroller at very low cost would require many experiments on alloys and choice of discrete electronic components to do in a minimal system. Really it is Moore's Law vs. analogue electronics and material science and Moore's Law wins.

Dear Tim,

Induction works great with both concentrates and flowers. We've been testing it in the Lab and would be happy to show anyone interested in the San Francisco Bay Area. We will be releasing a buds video shortly, so stay tuned! As far as the battery we will be using something pretty standard, 3.7V, etc. Thanks everyone!
 

thisperson

Ruler of all things person
It sounds like you've got the coils miniaturized and tested for power draws and know that this is feasible.

How close to production are you?

What I saw was a proof of concept and while cool I want proof that it can be miniaturized.
 
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Egzoset

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Salutations,

...what we can do by 'brute force' with a microcontroller at very low cost...

What I saw was a proof of concept and while cool I want proof that it can be miniaturized.

I second the man above...

Maybe i keep being confused by another thread where WizardG explained it's all been done already, around 1957 by the Weller company if i recall correctly... The difference today is that the tip of IH soldering irons no longer actuates a magetic switch to control its heater: the metal simply stops absorbing magnetic energy at the Curie temperature. So, how about hacking an IH soldering iron? My guess is that should cut on R&D expenses, or maybe mister Moore wins again!

And rest assured i'll be pleased to see any successful alternative being dissected in pictures: our imaginative curiosity is absolutely starving!!

...

Also, i was concerned about not making better constructive additions lately so maybe i can improve the situation with comments on the promotional YouTube video:

This face has a natural for visual media i would think, though don't rely on me for professional communications advice! Anyway, my spontaneous human reaction was just that: a familiar North American style of face wipes out the impression of distance somehow... Actually i'm not sure but the specific word would be "caucasian", as in police-chase TV shows, etc.

Oh, my. Well i hope the reader will understand and not jump to conclusions. Veranda here i come!

Euh...


Features??? An array of them?!...

:peace:





ADDENDUM



This is one of those times when i especially wish we could read reactions from FC's DIY-style of enthousiast members. For example, Hippie Dickie who's behind the "Bud Toaster"; or Pipes for his "DIY Bulli Vaporizer"!
 
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SameOldTim

Previously Known as 'ThermoCoreTim'
Manufacturer
Is the wick going to be removable?

How are you approaching impurities building up?

I'm intrested in seeing induction vaping of flower, I've attempted it with some RF equipment ment for curing glue. Mixed results, but true RF vaporazation.
T
 

mrweed

vaporizer review blogger
awesome! didn't know that there will be a loose leaf version, too!
 
mrweed,

Egzoset

Banned
Salutations SameOldTim,
Salutations MrWeed,

...I've attempted it with some RF equipment... ...true RF vaporization.

I liked the questions too but this last item sounds even more creative and hence i believe future readers will want to learn about that, specifically! There's been a quasi-LASER demo once, a few years ago; now this RF Vaporisation concept is something totally unexpected and new!

Thanks for passing by!!

:clap:

...didn't know that there will be a loose leaf version...

Me neither, i heard about it for the 1st time while watching the linked video!

:peace:
 

SameOldTim

Previously Known as 'ThermoCoreTim'
Manufacturer
Salutations SameOldTim,
Salutations MrWeed,



I liked the questions too but this last item sounds even more creative and hence i believe future readers will want to learn about that, specifically! There's been a quasi-LASER demo once, a few years ago; now this RF Vaporisation concept is something totally unexpected and new!

Thanks for passing by!!

:clap:



Me neither, i heard about it for the 1st time while watching the linked video!

:peace:
Might have to give it another shot, it was pre-thermo days back when I did it.

Another question for loto, what kind of lumber is the envoke make from? Is it going to be locally (USA, or region) sourced? Or maybe renewable of some kind, recycled? If so, will it be certified?

T
 

mrweed

vaporizer review blogger
yes, i think so, too. there is no expected release date, yet and it seems like there is still much to do.
 
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t-dub

Vapor Sloth
Excuse my ignorance, but what is the difference between the $79 (Early Bird) and the $99 (Standard) versions? I really want a little portable induction vape to help me work through this blob of grease I have.
 
t-dub,

mrweed

vaporizer review blogger
the early bird version is for early birds only... first come first serve. a lot of campaigns offer a very special price for the first supporters. i think the grasshopper had a early bird perk, too
 
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stickstones

Vapor concierge
I would suggest making it smaller. That wood prototype looked to be just bigger than the Firefly, which I already think is too big. You said in your video that discretion is not your primary goal, but to make a portable that's bigger than the Firefly or Solo would be a mistake, I think. Before I saw the wood prototype I was excited for what appeared to be something small enough to fit on a key ring, but if it is that big you will lose some sales. In the end the success will be based on the feature set and the price. IH is not a feature set to almost all users. We have a few here that will be stoked to see the technology and will want it. But the average Joe in the local head shop isn't concerned with the heating technology. He wants price, size, speed to heat up, taste, efficiency and aesthetics. For the most part he won't care how it achieves these ends.
 
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