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and welcome to a top notch community!
Discontinued Thermovape Cera
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Psybero
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Undoubtetly so!Nice my dude!
I see you worked you're way through quite an amount of vaporizers. Any favorite?
I'm a complete novice at vaping seriously (only know e-cigs) and wanting to ditch plain cigarettes all together. Now I have to still use them for rolling my spliffs. Think I stand a chance at achieving my goal with just the Cera, or should I look into other models?
btka
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I am from europe and didn t had any problems at the custom... i also quit smoking cigarettes... but only with using the cera i don t know if i would achieved that... i would also buy a plug in vaporizer... i bought the volcano... but i have to say it was my first used and owned desktop vape... i like it a lot... but as mentined can t compare it with other plug in vapes... i think also the high Investment in a cera and a volcano had a lot of impact for me to stop smoking.... i also own a pax because of descreetness but that shouldn t be a problem in holland...
Psybero
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Thanks, that is a suggestion I will have to look at. Although, to clarify, it is not to stop smoking cigarettes, I did that without effort some years ago. Now my precarious constructed spliffs are another matter. I have not yet found a pipe that gives me a similar experience, hopefully this Cera will be enough to substitute my smoking joints.
Encouraging to know that the import into EU did not give you trouble, yet I can only rest assured with my ceramic pal in my hands .
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btka
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What are you meaning with similar experience.... the effects, or if it is technically similar to smoking or? if you mean effects in my experience after one or two maybe a month of really strict only vaping you want miss any thing in my opinion... if you mean drawing, vapour density vs smoke and so on there is a difference with the cera... you have to take long up to 10 to 20 sec. Slowly draws... so i would say that would be the biggest difference.. you can get big vapour clouds with the cera... but as mentioned at first you have to master the technic... that was my problem so i smoked spliffs also.. because i wasnt realy pationed learni g the technic... so after a friend lought at me becuase i purchased the expensive cera and didn tquite smoking i bought me a volcano because there is no learning curve and for me it mimiced smoking spliffs at best...and i had the chance to test it out at my local headshop the volcano... and also keep i mind what will you do when your cera want work... so it would also a good idea to have a second vape...
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Psybero
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It is as much about taste as it is about experienc ing volume or density of the vapor. Your answer covered that and I will surely look into that tablemodel. I find regular pipes giving a better high than joints, as well as being more economical, but lacking in a 'nice' taste sensation. Very subjective, I know, and of course that sensation divers with material used, pipe and hash both. Often find it to harsh and sharp...
Thus I hope to experience a taste of nothing but the smoking material itself, cannot wait to play with the Cera...
As to having another pipe as back-up , I thought of a second heating unit as a spare. Not a complete failsafe as the body is also a factor, albeit a minor one in my opinion. I have not read many reviews complaining about that.
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btka
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in my opinion the taste of the cera is really good... especially the first few hits are superb (i like clouds)... but if you are not after vapor you can get more tasteful hits of it... in my opinion there is a tradeoff between big vapor clouds and taste, which have to do with lower vs higher temps. as i understand... and the terpens and other essential oils which dissapear faster with high temps... but with good technic you should master the temp./taste you like....
Psybero
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That was my conclusion when I ultimately ordered it, so great to hear you confirm that -learning curve aside- it is device that can be personalized. I am more after great taste then great clouds, although I love the sensation of a satisfactory cummulus nimbus upon exhaling ...
Trade off is -as far as I can judge of course- a good term. One that I can work with. I like fiddling with stuff until it is as I like. Cera looks to be very promising in that respect.
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To be honest, I've never met a bad vaporizer!
for all the Cera newbs this can make it a whole different machine! Use lefty or righty with a fist grip. Very comfy!
Here is a pic of the little plastic grommet I spoke of earlier in my last post. Super comfy now just resting on the inside pinky finger. I'm a righty and I can even hold it in my left without a problem. There is a slight adhesive on it but it wipes right off and for some reason this little plastic Cera-Tunnel-Syndrome saver will stay put with just a lick and stick. I love the Cera as is without any extreme mods (I love the mods I've seen though in the forum) I just think TET made it like that for a reason. AWESOME!
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Psybero
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As a newbie let me like your suggestions
I have silicon tubular sleeve ready to use if device gets too hot. I understand that extensive use will heat up the ceramics considerably.
The sleeve is silicon used in microwave and ovens, so heat-resistance properties are fine.
Even better if I do not have to used if of course...
Psybero
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If herb or hash is ground really fine, will it not enter those ventingholes at the bottom of the chamber holding the smoking material? Thus get on or into the heatingsystem itself? Can it clog them?
Feel free to roll around laughing, I will hide behind my inexperience...
Feel free to roll around laughing, I will hide behind my inexperience...
Severmore
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I'd recommend sandwiching your finely ground hash between two layers of herbal material. I would assume that if you did get plant material inside your cartridge...it would simply burn up and clean out with a boil and ISO soak.
I never had an issue with a clogged LL cartridge when I had my Cera.
Psybero
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Thanks, that sounds easy enough, although now I have to hunt for a herbal material that's good to use but does not influence the taste or hinder airflow. If you have suggestions I would like to hear them. I am used to rolling spliffs using bleach-free ultra thin rolling paper, of I punch out a circle to lay at the base of the heating unit, could that work? Or be counterproductive considering airflow obstruction? And ISO is Isopropyl alcohol, or something to that effect?
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Severmore
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I'd usually layer my kief/pressed hash between ground up flowers of the same strain. Yes, ISO is Isopropyl alcohol (91-99% for best results).
Psybero
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Can you recommend a flavorful herb or flower other then the strain that is being smoked at that time? Sounds ideal, but I do not produce hash or grow plants, and I cannot buy those flowers at our coffeeshops, where I buy my (Moroccan) hash. Completely inexperienced I should probably just search the net first, but getting useful answers this easy from you guys is really great... I am lazy, I'll admit...
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OF
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I never found such a problem, and I tested a lot of solid and bubble hashes in Beta testing. Airflow is going the other way, so even if it stayed dust like (which it doesn't) it's still not likely to fall through. During one of the many rebuilds I checked the inside looking for ash or other evidence that anything (either fine herb, or hash) had been there. I failed to find anything of note, 'tapping' it out over white paper.
The LL core was designed from the start to work with solid hashes since this had come up as a shortcoming in the Revolution/DART. IMO it does that job well.
Grind it up some, do the 3 steps and be sure your seatbelt is fastened......it can be quite a ride when Cera gets up to speed.
OF
Psybero
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I bask in you glowing presence o great OF, thank you for this answer.
If you say that Cera works and will not clog, I believe...
Although the seatbelt issue raises concerns, me lacking a drivers license and car an such,
not that I would ever doubt thee, o OF.
You are Cera incorporated in human form.
Massive respect.
***bowing demurely as I walk away quietly***
The sil sleeve is for the mouthpiece. This only gets hot with some extended use. Which once you find your sweet sopt itll be a thing of the past (youll need it though to mate Cera with glassware) The Cera body and switch stay cool the duration. That little knobby thing on my switch just lets me put a lot less pressure to turn her on
Is it just me or does anyone else get excited when Cera users are born?
Psybero
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LOL I cannot wait to be born (again?)!The sil sleeve is for the mouthpiece. This only gets hot with some extended use. Which once you find your sweet sopt itll be a thing of the past (youll need it though to mate Cera with glassware) The Cera body and switch stay cool the duration. That little knobby thing on my switch just lets me put a lot less pressure to turn her on
Still have a couple of agonizing weeks to go though...
Tension is mounting, saliva is drooling, muscles tense up.
I find myself rolling and smoking more spliffs, simply out of stress of anticipation.
Has been a long time since I felt this 'pre-Christmas' sensation so strong.
My sleeve goes out the door. I was under the impression that the main body got warm/hot, all the better it does not. Thanks!
Well worth the wait friend. Just a super cool vape to get started on!
Psybero
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I have a couple of vices, electr(on)ic gadgets, leather bags and tasteful hash. I may have acted hastily, as I do not have the Cera just yet, but I decided to buy a new leather messenger bag, with a custom vertical tubular insert in one of the corners, to accommodate my new pearlescent beauty...Well worth the wait friend. Just a super cool vape to get started on!
Isn't it great to be able to combine ones fetishes?
I cannot possibly be the only Dutch with a TV Cera (on the way), but if there is another one I have not seen or heard of them. Why is the introduction of this device in EU so slow? I believe it has been on the US market for some time now. Maybe we are slow on the uptake over here? Results on Google( with EU background), vending points, reviews are few and far between. I should say that it could use some promotion over here. But I have to admit, the feeling of being an 'early adapter' is a nice one, yeah.
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OF
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Yer welcome. Thanks for the kind words, glad to help.
You guys must get mighty bored up there.........
OF
Psybero
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I was afraid that with this many post I would leave the distinct impression of being lonely.
***smiles***
But kidding aside, you are one of the originators , that commands respect, as does the amount of posts on your name. Hours of dedicated testing makes you Yoda, or OZ, and me, with wobbly knees walking that yellow brick road, like Toto I guess...
Therefor I will curb my excitement (every new relevant discovery does that to me), and leave the next posts for another member. Thanks everybody for good advice, friendly answers and putting up with an overenthusiastic wannabe vaper.
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All members must be treated in a respectful and adult manner. Your opening sentence breaks this rule. Warning point given.
instead of kissing, why not apply the chapstick directly to his butt?
OF I was going to ignore you, but you continue to deliver gratuitous insults to my name.
You ignore the facts, and the questions you are asked that prove my conclusions.
Specifically, why do the unregulated batteries work, and the regulated do not?
I already answered this question. You have not.
also to say it doesnt matter what the capacity and maximum amount of deliverable amps
is in a given battery, shows a basic ignorance of electronics, specifically the internal resistance of the battery..
OF I was going to ignore you, but you continue to deliver gratuitous insults to my name.
You ignore the facts, and the questions you are asked that prove my conclusions.
Specifically, why do the unregulated batteries work, and the regulated do not?
I already answered this question. You have not.
also to say it doesnt matter what the capacity and maximum amount of deliverable amps
is in a given battery, shows a basic ignorance of electronics, specifically the internal resistance of the battery..
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OF
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Since to the best of my knowledge there is no such thing as "unregulated batteries" (that is there are none that are regulated....), I assume you really meant "unprotected"? But there are LOTS of protected batteries that work just fine in Cera. I got two in the 'blind test (color coded) Beta batteries. At least one was custom. There are lots of good ones around, this is one of my personal favorites, based on the Panasonic NCR19650:
http://www.orbtronic.com/batteries-...18650a-protection-ic-made-in-japan-top-button
I also have several of the same beast in a clear jacket (you can see the PCB link), but don't recall where I got them. IMO it's not accurate to say "the regulated (protected?) do not", there are plenty of examples of ones that do just fine. Two things have to happen for that, the maximum current level must be high enough and the internal resistance (including any protection) has to be low enough (which is linked to the maximum current thing, although loosely). Same as with unprotected batteries, the protection PCB is at most part of the deal and as long as it's not a 'deal breaker' it's not a deal breaker.
Please don't misquote me. I never said "it doesnt (sic) matter what the capacity and maximum amount of deliverable amps is in a given battery," did I? If so, can you please point to that? What I said is past a certain point trading higher peak current for useful capacity is no advantage. HUGE difference. And I gave you a specific example, data from a head to head comparison test, to back the point up. Care to offer any evidence for your contention that the 30 Amp is superior for our application?
I'm happy to discuss, on or off line, the technical aspects of this but I doubt calling me ignorant while you're not getting the basic terms and values right is swaying many.
Regards,
OF