dkavn

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WOW, I ordered a LB from Blisssville on Thursday morning and it arrived this morning to NY. But since I've already had a V Tower session this morning :ko: I'll save those 2 batteries (which arrived charged) for tonight. Now I just need a quick charger and extra batteries. It's amazingly small, the pictures do it no justice. a very nice looking piece. :peace:
 
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gonna order a 2nd one for a friend...quite a few people interested in this unit...they seem to be a bit paranoid about buying it online....
 
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blazin said:
im not makeing a post. just want to know if anyone is intersted in tradeing a mflb complete. only used it about 4-5 times. im wanting a vapor gene. please let me know. the mflb is in perfect condition:):D
Apologies for junking up this thread, but the PM/emails don't seem to send notifications. I have an extra VG that I'd like to trade. It's brand new, never used. Blazin, hit me up and maybe we can work it out. Thanks.
 
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Thought I'd share my thoughts on my new LB. First, I ordered it from Blisssville on Thursday morning and it arrived to NY on Saturday morning. It arrived well wrapped, and the batteries were charged. Thanks Blisssville.
The box seems well made and is atractive looking. I loaded it up, popped in a battery and tried it out. It does work as advertised. With my V Tower I usually load the elbow screen. It seemed like a bigger pinch of material to load the trough in the LB. The vapor felt hotter than the V Tower but I attribute this to not drawing through a 3 foot whip. Something else I noticed was that some of the vaped material stayed pretty green while some blackened. I will chalk this up to my inexperience with the box and will work on my technique with it. Yes I inverted the box and shook between draws. So after I got to where I wanted to be I put it away, and the effects lasted longer than with the tower I think. Maybe because of a higher vapor to air ratio? Or maybe just because the trough seems to hold more than the tower elbow screen.
Bottom line is this thing works great and I think once I get used to it will work even better. Thanks to Magic Flight for a great product.
 
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I decided to spring for the LB, but I'm having difficulty trying to order it.

When I go to blissville's website, the purchase button is replaced by a big splotch of html code. Hacked?

Are there any other reputable dealers of the LB?
 
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Hey everyone, new to the forum and to vaporization. After a lot of reading I've decided that the LB is going to be my first vaporizer, and I just placed an order :D
Can't wait for it to arrive, but until then, some questions:
If I put less than a full trough (much less, say 0.1 gram), will it still work well? That's about the amount I smoke in a bong and it gets me where I wanna be :brow:
When you take a long slow draw, do you get constant vapor supply or is it more 'airy'?
In general, would you say a lungful of vapor is more potent than a lungful of bong smoke?

Thanks :p
 
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seventhc

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Hello everybody, I've been lurking here for a while now and just ordered the LB but blissSville wasn't working at the time so I ordered it from vapenow. My question is, will it come with all of the same stuff as if I ordered it from BlissSville? Their site seems to be working now and I notice the pictures are showing different items than on vapenow. I don't mind spending the extra .99 cents but I did want all of the accessories, so if anyone knows if all is included please let me know. Thank you.
btw, Hi :-) nice to meet you all.
 
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seventhc said:
Hello everybody, I've been lurking here for a while now and just ordered the LB but blissSville wasn't working at the time so I ordered it from vapenow. My question is, will it come with all of the same stuff as if I ordered it from BlissSville? Their site seems to be working now and I notice the pictures are showing different items than on vapenow. I don't mind spending the extra .99 cents but I did want all of the accessories, so if anyone knows if all is included please let me know. Thank you.
btw, Hi :-) nice to meet you all.
MagicFlight has assured another poster that Vapenow has the complete kit and he would take care of an omission.
 
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Thank you for the quick reply rayski, I actually do remember reading that somewhere but I've read so much lately I wasn't sure where I saw it from. So thank you for clarifying for me.
Looking forward to getting this and giving it a test drive. Picking up the quick charger and extra batteries tomorrow. ( I know, I have to peel the bats ) :-)
 
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Hi,

The BlissSville.com website was affected by an unscheduled outage Monday morning until about noon. The service has been restored/fixed and should be available again now.

-- Magic-flight

PS: the VapeNow kits should be the same as the BlissSville ones.
 
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Thanks, I'm really looking forward to getting it, can't wait. :-)
Can't wait to vape.
 
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dkavn

Dave
There's been some talk about batteries and chargers here so I thought I'd mention a cheaper alternative. I picked up a 30 minute AA charger from Radio Shack. It charges 2 at a time and will charge either AA or AAA sized batteries. It came with two 2300 mah radio shack batteries. After I removed the labels the batteries fit nice and snug. Cost was 20 plus tax. Hope this helps some people out. :peace:
 
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... a 30 minute AA charger from Radio Shack...
Hi,

One caution in regards to using Radio Shack chargers: We had one customer report that they had significant overheating issues once they had used a RS charger on the stock batteries a few times.
I am not sure which specific RS charger was used, yet we do know that somehow, repeated use of the RS charger significantly changed the battery discharge characteristics. We are still attempting to determine what exactly it is about the RS charging system that is causing a problem with our batteries -- no other chargers seem to have these issues, and we have been unable to reproduce similar effects in our lab. As such, we recommend/request that people use RS chargers only when no other option is available.

-- Magic-flight
 
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VivaSativa said:
If I put less than a full trough (much less, say 0.1 gram), will it still work well?
Yes -- it should work fine. However, we do recommend that people load it with ground, unpacked material until it is level with the groove (but do not fill the chamber), even though this may be more than you would normally need. The instant on and instant off heating means that you can control the dosage via the heat and draw time. Remove the battery when you are done taking a hit and the rest of the un-vaped material can simply wait to be cooked later (even hours later). Vapor is only produced when you want it -- no heat latency means no wasted vapors. This is very different than most other vape units which must cook the entire load to completion once they have been started.

VivaSativa said:
When you take a long slow draw, do you get constant vapor supply or is it more 'airy'?
Done properly, you get a constant vapor supply. The draw rate needs to be slow for this -- think of sipping from a teacup. If you pull too fast, it will get more airy -- your taste will be an immediate feedback and a good guide.

VivaSativa said:
In general, would you say a lungful of vapor is more potent than a lungful of bong smoke?
Personally, given the right devices to ensure a fair comparison, I would think that vapor is actually more potent, but that it feels much less potent. To someone not used to vaporizers, they often cannot tell that anything is happening at all -- until about 3 minutes later: :o

In actual practice, there are so many variables involved that it is really a matter of opinion about the relative merits of the devices used. In the specific case of the Box, it will produce somewhat thinner vapor than most Bongs (where vapor is mixed with smoke) -- this is by design. The Box is optimized for convenience and stealth. As part of the stealth aspect, the design attempts to produce only as much vapor on a second per second basis as can be fully adsorbed by the lungs -- this minimizes unwanted visibility and smell (both of which indicate wasted vapor). As such, the Box generates enough vapor to conveniently do the work without letting the person standing next to you know what is going on.

-- Magic-flight

 
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magicflight said:
VivaSativa said:
If I put less than a full trough (much less, say 0.1 gram), will it still work well?
Yes -- it should work fine. However, we do recommend that people load it with ground, unpacked material until it is level with the groove
By filling the recommended amount, do we get better vapor or avoid possible damage to the unit?

Thank you very much for your detailed reply :)
 
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seventhc

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I have a question regarding the RS battery charger, If I get that one and just use it with the batteries that come with the charger everything should be fine yes? So I'd use the RS batteries with the RS charger and the LB batteries with the LB charger. I am asking because I have a RS right around the corner and was planning on getting it there.
 
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max

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NiMH batteries and chargers are interchangeable. Any NiMH batteries will do fine in either charger.
 
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I know they are interchangeable but if you look above they say the RS charger might do damage to the batteries that come with the LB. That doesn't actually make sense to me since I don't see how it would effect different batteries in a different way. My concern is I'll be taking mine out on a fishing boat and I will be at sea for about 1 month, I just don't want it breaking while I'm out there since I will be nowhere near a store until we get back into port.

Edit: That being said I will be bringing a back up, the vapolution pocket vape that works with a lighter but the no lighter for the LB is a huge plus out on the boat as it can get very windy out there, the lighter is windproof but still.
 
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VivaSativa said:
magicflight said:
VivaSativa said:
If I put less than a full trough (much less, say 0.1 gram), will it still work well?
Yes -- it should work fine. However, we do recommend that people load it with ground, unpacked material until it is level with the groove
By filling the recommended amount, do we get better vapor or avoid possible damage to the unit?
Neither -- it is simply more convenient and more efficient that way. By filling, you will be getting move overall vapor per charged battery. The battery will provide the same heat regardless if it is loaded or empty. Therefore, any part of the unit which is hot but not loaded is wasted heat (wasted battery charge). You may as well load it fully and get the full benefit of the battery energy. Also, by under filling, the vapor density (the ratio of vapor to air) will be somewhat less than that identified as optimal by our research.

Since it can be arranged that the Box is only needs to be hot when you are actually hitting it, you get the benefit of having the vapor dispensed only when you want it. When not heating, you may as well think of the Box as 'storing' a very small amount of material. Because the Box is able to heat up nearly instantly (no waiting) it is convenient to use. Because the Box is also able to cool off again nearly instantly, it does not waste any vapor either -- this is one of the things that makes this vaporizer efficient.

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I have a question regarding the RS battery charger, If I get that one and just use it with the batteries that come with the charger everything should be fine yes? So I'd use the RS batteries with the RS charger and the LB batteries with the LB charger. I am asking because I have a RS right around the corner and was planning on getting it there.
Hi -- yes, that would be fine.

Please report back and let us know how the RS batteries hold up in comparison to the stock ones (We believe that having independent reviews is a good thing for everyone).

-- Magic-flight
 
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magicflight said:
seventhc said:
I have a question regarding the RS battery charger, If I get that one and just use it with the batteries that come with the charger everything should be fine yes? So I'd use the RS batteries with the RS charger and the LB batteries with the LB charger. I am asking because I have a RS right around the corner and was planning on getting it there.
Hi -- yes, that would be fine.

Please report back and let us know how the RS batteries hold up in comparison to the stock ones (We believe that having independent reviews is a good thing for everyone).

-- Magic-flight
Will do, I am expecting the box to arrive Fri or Sat and will test both out and report back after a few tries on both to see if there is any difference.
Is there anything special I need to know when peeling the battery cover or do I just cut it and peel it off?
Stupid question I know but I don't feel like ruining the batteries if thats even possible.
 
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seventhc said:
I know they are interchangeable but if you look above they say the RS charger might do damage to the batteries that come with the LB. That doesn't actually make sense to me since I don't see how it would effect different batteries in a different way. My concern is I'll be taking mine out on a fishing boat and I will be at sea for about 1 month, I just don't want it breaking while I'm out there since I will be nowhere near a store until we get back into port.
Sorry, didn't see that post. I suspect that the reason the RS charger has caused a battery problem is because it's a 30 min. charger. Not that all fast chargers are a problem, but a slow charge is easier (and should be safer) to perform.
 
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max said:
NiMH batteries and chargers are interchangeable. Any NiMH batteries will do fine in either charger.
It would seem so for the most part. However, there are some exceptions to this general rule. We have firm evidence that it is not be the case for all situations since some chargers are not as responsive to the needs of the NiMH chemistry as others. At this point, the overall consensus internally is that nearly all NiMH chargers will work with nearly all NiMH batteries, but that poorly built fast chargers are likely to diminish the overall longevity/life of the battery (the number of complete charge cycles).

There are two main issues associated with battery charger quality: 1) the manner in which energy is delivered to the battery, and 2) the method used to determine when charging has been completed. In regards to charge energy delivery, there are two approaches: "slow charging" and "fast charging". In slow charging, energy is delivered at a low constant rate that does not require charge endpoint determination. This is the type of charger we bundle with the Box. They are not the "best" chargers, but they are reliable, simple, and safe.

Fast chargers are much more complex (and thus more expensive), since they deliver energy at a much greater rate than the battery can sustainably withstand. For a fast charger to be "good", it must perform two tasks: 1) it must deliver charge current without surges, ripples, or spikes, and 2) it must reliably determine when the battery is full and shutoff the charge current. Failure in achieving either of these aspects will definitely shorten NiMH battery life (the number of recharge cycles and the max energy that can be stored per cycle). Specifically, the current delivered must be matched against the battery capacity. Also, if there are surges, ripples, or spikes, the battery discharge characteristics can be adversely affected. This in turn can result in a Box running either way too hot or way too cold, depending on the type of battery damage sustained. Furthermore, if the charge endpoint is not determined correctly, the battery can be overcharged, resulting it its getting very hot (too hot to touch) which will also permanently damage the battery.

Unfortunately for fast charger manufacturers, determining when a NiMH battery is "full" is far from easy. The battery itself provides little indication of its internal state. There are three approaches generally taken: 1) use a timer to cut off current after a given interval, 2) to look for a specific sequence of battery voltage changes, and 3) to check the battery temperature and stop charging when the battery is hot. Each of these approaches has significant problems and is likely to fail if used exclusively. A good charger will need to test for at least two, if not all three, of these conditions to function reliably. It is in this respect that good chargers really stand out from their cheaper cousins -- they preserve battery life by not accidentally over-charging the battery. Many fast chargers on the market simply do not test for charge endpoint conditions very well or very reliably.

All of the above is generally accepted 'fact' -- now for some 'opinion': It has been my experience that Radio Shack (Tandy corp) generally cuts corners whenever possible in their product designs and their chargers are no exception. I have on hand one of their 15 minute fast chargers which has been made specifically incompatible with other HiMH batteries via the use of hidden ID circuitry in the RS stock batteries (other non-RS batteries charge in slow mode only). While their newer fast chargers may not have this built-in limitation, they still have issues with charge current regulation and endpoint determination. I have some of our stock batteries (shipped back to us from a customer using a RS charger) which were definitely and identifiably damaged by a RS charger. While it may not be the case that all of the RS chargers will do this, it is known that at least some of them will. As such, I simply cannot recommend that people use RS chargers with our batteries. If people are looking for a good fast charger which we know to be reliable as an alternative to the shipped slow charger, we recommend using the Energizer 15-minute charger with our stock batteries -- this is the best overall all-around combination we can suggest for the needs of 99% of our customers. (Note -- the Energizer batteries themselves are not nearly as good -- take it or leave it).

Finally, for the record, I should point out that we (Magic-flight) do not make the slow chargers that we bundle with the Box, nor do we have any agreements (formal or implied) with any charger manufacturers. We gain no benefit from our recommendations or advice in this respect -- we have absolutely zero association with Energizer corp. Also, as there are hundreds of different chargers and batteries (with millions of possible test configurations), we have NOT tested all batteries and all chargers. Our recommendations are based on best available knowledge to date. If someone on this forum has more, or more accurate, information, they are welcomed to bring it forward.

Best,
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