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Jman5280

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No you are not getting it. I have to ask the same question 10 times and take all the partial answers to get a kinda clear yet contradicting answer.

THC says you can load the KiSS way more than what people have been advising. He says you can load above the rim of the KIsS and into the middle air tube by loading through the mouth piece. This contradicts everything people in this thread have been saying about using the KIsS cart.

Additionally, he says that 0.1-0.3 is arbitrary, and I understand that some batches will weigh differently and some will be denser and so forth, just like buds. HOWEVER, this is irrelevant because when you say 0.1 or any type of measurable quantity, it is given that number so it can be measured. Regardless of the change in it's visual size, 0.1 is a specific amount, not arbitrary. It's like saying I'll take a ounce and you get a handful that measures only to 19 grams. That arbitrary ounce just lost you 9 grams, therefore it's not an ounce bc an ounce is 28grams by definition, NOT arbitrary.

When the manual says to load a small amount, and numerous people say to use a small BB sized load in the KiSS it is further confusing when the manual also says to use 0.1-0.3 which is way more than a small BB.

So now the question is, do you load the KISS up over the top of the rim and let oil flow all over everything? Or do you load small BB sized loads? According to THC you can load a massive chunk of 1/3rd of a gram into a KiSS...

If you read the posts, and follow the conversation...the confusion makes sense.
 
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herbivore21

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Jman5280 said:
No you are not getting it. I have to ask the same question 10 times and take all the partial answers to get a kinda clear yet contradicting answer.

THC says you can load the KiSS way more than what people have been advising. He says you can load above the rim of the KIsS and into the middle air tube by loading through the mouth piece. This contradicts everything people in this thread have been saying about using the KIsS cart.

Additionally, he says that 0.1-0.3 is arbitrary, and I understand that some batches will weigh differently and some will be denser and so forth, just like buds. HOWEVER, this is irrelevant because when you say 0.1 or any type of measurable quantity, it is given that number so it can be measured. Regardless of the change in it's visual size, 0.1 is a specific amount, not arbitrary. It's like saying I'll take a ounce and you get a handful that measures only to 19 grams. That arbitrary ounce just lost you 9 grams, therefore it's not an ounce bc an ounce is 28grams by definition, NOT arbitrary.

When the manual says to load a small amount, and numerous people say to use a small BB sized load in the KiSS it is further confusing when the manual also says to use 0.1-0.3 which is way more than a small BB.

So now the question is, do you load the KISS up over the top of the rim and let oil flow all over everything? Or do you load small BB sized loads? According to THC you can load a massive chunk of 1/3rd of a gram into a KiSS...

If you read the posts, and follow the conversation...the confusion makes sense.
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Dude, I get what you are saying. I get that that post contradicts what others have said. But if Gary says it, you can take that shit to the bank! He designed the things after all!

What I am saying is that a weight is not an arbitrary measure, however giving a specific weight as a guide would have to be decided arbitrarily, given that the weight of a concentrate does not equal it's mass. I am pretty sure that is what Gary was meaning by the use of the term arbitrary.

You are correct to highlight the unclear use of the term arbitrary of course!
 
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Jman5280

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herbivore21 said:
Dude, I get what you are saying. I get that that post contradicts what others have said. But if Gary says it, you can take that shit to the bank! He designed the things after all!

What I am saying is that a weight is not an arbitrary measure, however giving a specific weight as a guide would have to be decided arbitrarily, given that the weight of a concentrate does not equal it's mass. I am pretty sure that is what Gary was meaning by the use of the term arbitrary.

You are correct to highlight the unclear use of the term arbitrary of course!
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yeaaaa its just confusing lol...this stuff throws me for a whirl

I have been worrying about loading too much into the KISS when I am loading literally 1/50th of a gram and THC says I can load 1/3rd of a gram through the mouth piece. This concerns me because I think it would make a huge mess and constantly clog the KISS BUT since he invented the damn thing...I will give it a try!

so whats up with everyone telling me you can only load the smallest sizes into the KISS? I have seen pictures of FC users saying to use a load smaller than half of a grain of rice, anything else is too big according to 99.99% of this board. Now THC says I can load a giant 0.3 pack which is more towards the size of a nickel...crazy.

who here loads their KISS up above the rim of the cartridge? Doesnt this clog the KISS and leak down through the threading?
 
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Jman5280

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herbivore21 said:
i would quickly clarify with him that he didn't misplace the decimal point first maybe ;)
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I swear all these people actually mean 0.01 NOT 0.1, BUT if he says he loads the KISS carts above the rim than 0.3 makes sense to me. At that point the KISS cart is NOT a LAYG cartridge, it is more of a hercules jr...right?
 
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Sometimes it's best to just try different configurations and see what works best for you. Everything can't be worked out ahead of times. I use the KISS with that half-a-rice-grain sized dab, but mostly because I don't like dealing with a messy coil and cup. Someone else might not like having to unscrew the KISS cart after every dab. For them, loading a larger amount from the top might work better. It's not written in stone.

Also, if you look back, I think G was stating that SOME people have loaded from the mouthpiece, not that he is particularly recommending it.

If you like (over-)analyzing this stuff, you're going to have a ball with the Hercules. :haw:
 
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Jman5280

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Lol yea the Hercules intimidates me with all the small pieces. I also fear that I'll burn through my gram faster if it's all loaded at once. I like LAYG but so far my experience with the KISS is mixed. I love the taste and rips. I have several atomizers for my ego pen and none of hem come close to the KiSS. They taste like machines whereas the KISS tastes good. I had the Gentleman's brand v2 carts where I could load in a gram at a time but they would burn through a gram so fast even at the lowest voltage setting.

The KISS burns the back of my throat, almost like it's too hot, and it gets messy. I don't even use big packs, I stick to small rice size hits and I still get oil splattered up into the mouth piece and into the threads which causes constant maintenance...
 
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syrupy

syrupy

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Jman5280 said:
The KISS burns the back of my throat, almost like it's too hot, and it gets messy. I don't even use big packs, I stick to small rice size hits and I still get oil splattered up into the mouth piece and into the threads which causes constant maintenance...
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A lot of us use water tools with vapes to cool and lessen irritation from vapor. Hooking up a water tool to the KISS cart with silicon tubing is not difficult. I mostly hit the 7.4v Herc with a bubbler this way. When I really want to pamper my throat, I use hot water in the tool. It makes a huge difference. I can't even hit my MFLB or DBV dry anymore, I'm so used to moist vapor now.
 
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Caligula said:
I wish I could get medicated off of 0.1g of anything.
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Ever tried methamphetamine? hahaha

Also, as one of those weird fuckers who likes to understand every little detail about everything he uses, I am one such person who was made for the hercules.

I just stretched my ti coil a little to fit more snugly in the herc tube, loaded in a little more shatter and then put it back in the herc. Gave her threads and air holes a little iso tidy up with a cotton bud and then heated the sr74 3.7v for about a minute (3 x 20 second pulses), then hit it on my LW bubbler with a 14mm reducer.

Clouds as thick as my e-nano at level 10, and even better tasting!!!!!!!! Cheers for the help with getting the ti coil to stay in place, getting better results than I expected! The herc just keeps getting better lol
 
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Jman5280

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is the okeanos worth it? im thinking about getting it for my omicron-lite...

I wish they didnt get rid of the 20% ILIKEUPTECH coupon!
 
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@Jman5280 what I mean by arbitrary is that to you one session might be .025 to someone like @Caligula it would be .3

What this means is he will most likely be loading a larger amount then you per session.


And yes you can load the kiss cartridge from the top by taking out the mouth piece and not the middle cone.

The idea is you find your sweet spot and go with that as it's all arbitrary because different oils different people different techniques and different needs. What is stated in the manual is a guide line you need to understand that go with what works for you is the rule.
 
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Jman5280

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THC SCIENTIFIC said:
@Jman5280 what I mean by arbitrary is that to you one session might be .025 to someone like @Caligula it would be .3

What this means is he will most likely be loading a larger amount then you per session.


And yes you can load the kiss cartridge from the top by taking out the mouth piece and not the middle cone.

The idea is you find your sweet spot and go with that as it's all arbitrary because different oils different people different techniques and different needs. What is stated in the manual is a guide line you need to understand that go with what works for you is the rule.
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understood better now. when you drop 0.3 from the top, wont the amount surely overflow and possibly leak through the threads that connect the middle tube to the bottom coil/wick section? I want to try it but it seems like it will get very very messy.

btw, i just sent a pm about the okeanos.

Thanks!
 
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Boilerboy51

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Who knows how to rebuild or disassemble a KISS cart, I've got a DOA looks like, looks like I have to eat, can't be much to fixing it....
 
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StickyShisha2

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Boilerboy51 said:
Who knows how to rebuild or disassemble a KISS cart, I've got a DOA looks like, looks like I have to eat, can't be much to fixing it....
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after you pull out the center contact from the bottom and then remove the rubbery insulator that it was pushed into, the ceramic cup and wire/wick setup will come out the top.


my friend rebuilt 2 of his burned out ti kiss with non-ti wire wick setup from @Sleepin in CA
and is very happy with them.
 
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Jman5280

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anyone ever use the extract cartridges on a omicron-lite? are they really just a one time use cartridge? why cant you just keep loading in form the top like its never empty?
 
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StickyShisha2

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Jman5280 said:
anyone ever use the extract cartridges on a omicron-lite? are they really just a one time use cartridge? why cant you just keep loading in form the top like its never empty?
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you can get a few grams of use out of those old style carts if your concentrate is very pure
but every bit of contaminant in your oil will build up, clogging the tiny wick in the bottom.
 
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Mynameismud

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Jman5280 said:
understood better now. when you drop 0.3 from the top, wont the amount surely overflow and possibly leak through the threads that connect the middle tube to the bottom coil/wick section? I want to try it but it seems like it will get very very messy.

btw, i just sent a pm about the okeanos.

Thanks!
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I think what he was saying is that while 0.025 might be good for you, 0.3 is needed per session for someone who uses it more regularly. Now that's per session not per load. So while you load 0.025 and are done, someone else is loading it with that amount 4-6 times per session hence layg...I think
 
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Jman5280

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@StickyShisha

are they worth the 8 bucks a piece? is there a similar style cartridge for the omicron lite that isn't disposable?

i want something more than layg...
 
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Jman5280

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Mynameismud said:
I think what he was saying is that while 0.025 might be good for you, 0.3 is needed per session for someone who uses it more regularly. Now that's per session not per load. So while you load 0.025 and are done, someone else is loading it with that amount 4-6 times per session hence layg...I think
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Exactly. Which makes no sense because in the manual it is referring to each pack. It says it can be loaded with 0.3. But it also says to keep it from overflowing into the threads. (0.3 will overflow and get messy, you wouldn't be able to screw off the middle part without oil leaking everywhere)

However,

THC said that you can do what so many people on the forum have been advising not to, and that is to load the shit out of the KISS. He says you can keep the bottom parts screwed together and drop up to 0.3 through the top by removing just the mouthpiece. With loads like this it will be very very messy and oil will get into the threads...but whatever THC said you can do it and he invented it.

and BTW,

My 0.025 was referring to what I am guessing most people on this thread are actually using when they talk about loading a BB sized hit into their KISS cart. If one were to load 0.1 into a KISS it would be overflowing and super messy. I hve been advised numerous times from members here to use WAY less than even what I have been using in the past which completely contradicts everything the manual says and what THC Scientific said previously.
 
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