Soflo
Only birdshit and fools
Working like a charm! Even made a couple of them fully worked
Discontinued Thermovape Cera
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stickstones
Vapor concierge
@OF have you been working for the media lately? All your posts end in question marks instead of periods? Like those headlines that want to say something inflammatory and get away with it with a question mark at the end? Not that your posts are inflammatory, but that's just when the media does it?
OF
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No, I'm retired.
I often end sentences with question marks for one or both of two reasons. Either because what I'm saying is speculative or I'm trying in suggest the reader think a bit and decide if they agree or not. It's definitely not intended to be inflammatory but thought provoking.
I'm sorry that my personal style does not meet with your approval. Folks should, I think, respond to what I might say, not how I say it?
OF
c76man
In search of the best terps and smoothest vapor
My EO routine has settled into about 5 seconds of heating, then I take an initial 5 second or so hit. That first hit is light. The following hits are instant and can be as lung busting as I want or smaller sips as the mood dictates. I'm using CO2 oil.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
That wasn't a post of disapproval, just an observation. I apologize that it didn't come off that way.
OF
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Excellent point! Once hot inside, response becomes much faster. Nearly instant sometimes. Again, my 'take' here is being close to the magic temperature, extra heat radiated onto the surface from the hot filament is enough to trigger vaporization 'on the spot'.
My problem here is I get to enjoying the first hit too long and it cools off......which is OK too. One thing sure, for such a simple looking thing, a lot goes on. Pretty cool Engineering all right.
OF
Haywood
Onward Thru the Fog
Since I don't have a Cera (still waiting for TET to make a 510 adapter), I would defer to your judgement, and the judgement of others that use the Cera LL core. My only thought would be to simulate what it takes to consume a bowlful. If it takes a minute or two to heat up the core from a cold start, then four or five hits to consume the bowlful, then five minutes to cool back off to room temp, I would consider that one cycle of use. But since I don't know, I have to leave it to those that do.
OF said:
Really that much drop in a Cera? The current e-cig clone mechanical mods drop from 0.1v to 0.2v under that kind of load, and they all go for well under $50. They just don't have the correct connector for the new TET cores...
Krazzykid
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I have purchased a couple clones from Fasttech that definitely had more than 0.4v drop under a 1.5ohm load. I have also purchased some from them like the sentinel M16 clone (brass) that have 0.1v and under drop with a 1.5ohm load.
Not all materials used are created equal.
Haywood
Onward Thru the Fog
Absolutely true KK, and one of the parameters that should be looked at when buying a mech mod. My current favorites all have copper bodies with silver plated contacts, and have a black coating on the outside of the "tube". (Copper doesn't smell very good, and the bad smell transfers to your hands). Both copper and silver require periodic maintenance due to the tarnishing and corresponding drop in conductivity. And both are very soft metals, so one has to be careful not to strip the threads or tighten down the core too much.
Brass is also a good choice, with good conductivity and less tarnishing, and you can even get good results with SS if the contacts are either copper or silver plated. Fortunately, the hard-core e-cig users that are into extreme sub-ohm loads (like 0.3Ω to 0.7Ω) are very serious about voltage drops under load, and we can benefit from their experiences and recommendations.
Brass is also a good choice, with good conductivity and less tarnishing, and you can even get good results with SS if the contacts are either copper or silver plated. Fortunately, the hard-core e-cig users that are into extreme sub-ohm loads (like 0.3Ω to 0.7Ω) are very serious about voltage drops under load, and we can benefit from their experiences and recommendations.
Darb
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I'm using BHO. Haven't found any CO2 oil at any Canadian dispensaries yet. I used BHO in the cores for a year with good results. Just seems like my rebuilds are no better than before I sent them in. I'll have to check cart resistance tomorrow I guess.
nopartofme
Over the falls, in a barrel
It takes 10 to 15 seconds for you to see any kind of glow when freshly charged? I usually set my batteries aside as "ready for charging" if I don't see any glow inside of 7 or 8 seconds. I move on to Step 2 after 20 to 25 seconds. Maybe you should revisit the possibility of battery age being the culprit?
Krazzykid
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Have you checked the resistance in your cart? I ask because IIRC the wire is just crimped in place. If it starts to work itself loose in any way it could cause your resistance to rise because of a bad connection. Not saying this is your problem, just something else for you to check. As has been said already a bad or failing battery can also cause your issue. Check resistance on switch and tube also, a switch or strap going out could have a higher resistance.
OF
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He has two freshly rebuilt carts, both behaving the same. I suspect it's something in common, the unit or aging batteries?
OF
Krazzykid
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Darb
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Sorry, full glow in 10 to 15 seconds. LL core starts to glow in approx 5 seconds with charged battery. Both EO carts measure 1.4 ohms resistance. Just cleaned carts. Will try again when they dry out.
OF
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Sounds reasonable to me. The actual core resistance is probably lower, what do you get when you hold the probes together? A good correction to make is to subtract that number from all following (small) numbers.
OF
Vape Dr.
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Has anyone here compared the Cera LL or EO to the Persei with a Hercules (EO) or bender for (LL)?
Just out of curiosity, I compared the Persei V3 with a Hercules to the Cera EO and wanted to know if any one else did as well, and what your guys thoughts and opinions are, comparatively speaking.
Thanks
Just out of curiosity, I compared the Persei V3 with a Hercules to the Cera EO and wanted to know if any one else did as well, and what your guys thoughts and opinions are, comparatively speaking.
Thanks
I compared the cera EO to the Hercules SR71 white rod and black rod...
Main point: they're both the top of the oil vapes both have pros and cons...
I like the design of the cera cartridge better, it's smaller and looks better to me but I don't like that you can't take it apart and clean it like the Hercules.
Hercules is also easier to load.
Taste wise: Hercules white rod and cera EO are pretty equal. Black rod wins hands down over both but takes more work...and white rod on the iris is hands down the overall winner.
I personally loved the way the cera looked aesthetically but I also was constantly scared of dropping and cracking. Not so much with Persei.
Neither are really stealthy or portable, together cera is smaller but weighs more...
Learning curve: cera is hands down the winner. Load and go...
As you an see, I lean slightly towards the herc just because it can be loaded and cleaned easier and being able to control power is amazing. But there is no clear winner you can't go wrong with either
Vape Dr.
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I agree, but I find myself using the Persei, because as you said, its way easier to maintain. It doesn't roll off the table, its lighter and more portable. I also think the batteries last longer in the persei.
I find the taste to be equal IMO. I think the Persei is faster and easier to learn, also I like the style of it better.
Anyway, I was curious what other Cera-Persei owner thought about the 2, and which one they prefered.
Reason for asking, I have my eye on a miniVap and might be selling one of my Ceras to help fund it if anyones interested, I gotta figure out how to post, and if I want to get rid of the Ti or SS Cera.
Figured I'd ask others opinions and go from there.
Thanks @Mynameismud I'm kinda torn, I agree with everything you said except learning curve (IMO cera is harder to learn) and asthetics which really comes down to personal preference. I have 2 though so I'll still have a Cera to enjoy regardless. Thanks.
@Vape Dr. I don't know how you think the cera has a bigger learning curve unless your talking about LL.
The EO cart you just drop some oil, melt in and your good to go.
Hercules, you have to assemble correctly. Make sure it's assembled correctly. Load the right amount, then work on technique so it doesn't leak
The EO cart you just drop some oil, melt in and your good to go.
Hercules, you have to assemble correctly. Make sure it's assembled correctly. Load the right amount, then work on technique so it doesn't leak
Vape Dr.
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primarily LL yes. I think the EO cart is pretty straight forward, but still has a longer heat up time.
Im pretty new to concentrates. I came to most of you fellow FCrs to see what works best for oils.
My conclusion was the Persei was what i was looking for in most aspects such as, heat up time, amount, size, weight, DIY, etc.
i am happy with both for oils, but prefer the persei to the cera. i still have yet to get the dry herb attachment for the persei. maybe it has a learning curve as well, ill see soon enough.
the "dildo" look, button placement, and weight of the cera is un appealing to me IMO, but it does work well. that i do know. I just don't like the fact the Ti EO cart is $200. Mine got "lost" sending it to TET and i don't want to dump another $200 for a Ti EO cart so I've been using my SS cera. I'm still not convinced its worth the hefty price tag, maybe its just personal preference, but I love the versatility of the persei.
I might get rid of one of my Ceras, but i am keeping one. I've pretty much got the cera down now, and I'm still keeping one because i do like it for use at home.
I won't take it on the go though. i needed something for that and the kiss cart with one 18350 is super stealth. i need stealth where i live, so to me that's important as well.
Im pretty new to concentrates. I came to most of you fellow FCrs to see what works best for oils.
My conclusion was the Persei was what i was looking for in most aspects such as, heat up time, amount, size, weight, DIY, etc.
i am happy with both for oils, but prefer the persei to the cera. i still have yet to get the dry herb attachment for the persei. maybe it has a learning curve as well, ill see soon enough.
the "dildo" look, button placement, and weight of the cera is un appealing to me IMO, but it does work well. that i do know. I just don't like the fact the Ti EO cart is $200. Mine got "lost" sending it to TET and i don't want to dump another $200 for a Ti EO cart so I've been using my SS cera. I'm still not convinced its worth the hefty price tag, maybe its just personal preference, but I love the versatility of the persei.
I might get rid of one of my Ceras, but i am keeping one. I've pretty much got the cera down now, and I'm still keeping one because i do like it for use at home.
I won't take it on the go though. i needed something for that and the kiss cart with one 18350 is super stealth. i need stealth where i live, so to me that's important as well.
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stickstones
Vapor concierge
I'm starting to side with @Vape Dr. on the Cera LL. I wanted to wait until I got a new battery to make any decisions. But the new battery I just got doesn't work any better than some of the ones I already had, so I feel like I know the Cera LL now. I have never used concentrates.
The cons for me are the same...dildo look, heavy feel and a button that is difficult to deal with.
The best pro is that the taste is as good as I've ever had in a portable. My Ascent tasted slightly better in the beginning of the load, but the Cera LL keeps that good taste going much longer. I've never had a nasty hit in the Cera. I also love the vape's signature. I am a fan of convection vapes...I tend to detect a cleaner head high than with conduction vapes. So the Cera gives me the portable effect I am looking for.
If I'm looking for a big hit, I'm not looking for the Cera LL. But if I take the time to do two bowls I am right where I want to be, which makes sense because I think the Cera LL bowl is smaller than other vapes. I consider it to be fairly efficient.
I like that I can get the best, first hit within one minute. I can pretend I am using the bathroom with this vape perfectly.
I think it's going to be a love/hate relationship with this one. I don't like the form factor (despite the absolutely solid build quality), but I love the session characteristics (time, signature, taste). The kicker, and the reason I am going to hang onto it, is I am ready to go whenever I come across some concentrates.
The cons for me are the same...dildo look, heavy feel and a button that is difficult to deal with.
The best pro is that the taste is as good as I've ever had in a portable. My Ascent tasted slightly better in the beginning of the load, but the Cera LL keeps that good taste going much longer. I've never had a nasty hit in the Cera. I also love the vape's signature. I am a fan of convection vapes...I tend to detect a cleaner head high than with conduction vapes. So the Cera gives me the portable effect I am looking for.
If I'm looking for a big hit, I'm not looking for the Cera LL. But if I take the time to do two bowls I am right where I want to be, which makes sense because I think the Cera LL bowl is smaller than other vapes. I consider it to be fairly efficient.
I like that I can get the best, first hit within one minute. I can pretend I am using the bathroom with this vape perfectly.
I think it's going to be a love/hate relationship with this one. I don't like the form factor (despite the absolutely solid build quality), but I love the session characteristics (time, signature, taste). The kicker, and the reason I am going to hang onto it, is I am ready to go whenever I come across some concentrates.
OF
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Well put, IMO.
The cons are all fairly common and quite reasonable I think. For some they will be minor (perhaps even non issues), for others any of them could be disqualifying. Not a vape for everyone for sure.
I think you're right on with the money with it's unique standing in some narrow areas. I put more herb through my Solo than LL Cera, but when it gets really serious that LL cart can carry the day.
Keep thinking good, pure thoughts.....and being nice to kids and all.....concentrate will surely come your way.
OF
Vape Dr.
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I would like to try the Luna to compare it to the Cera and the Persei.
Anyone want to trade a like new Ti Cera LL with all the accessories for a Luna EO?
I do like the design of the Luna over the Cera (mostly the button placement, carbon fiber looks cool too), especially if it will be dedicated to concentrates.
Anyone want to trade a like new Ti Cera LL with all the accessories for a Luna EO?
I do like the design of the Luna over the Cera (mostly the button placement, carbon fiber looks cool too), especially if it will be dedicated to concentrates.