Reasons I Dislike Concentrates (Personal Reasons)
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Mr. Gweilo 420
Dude
Perhaps I may add one negative regarding concentrates. I am not overly experienced with concentrates but yesterday I vaped a good quantity of some wax/shatter I made on Saturday. Fuck me I have one hell of a stone-over today. I even stopped at 8.30pm last night knowing I would be up at 6am this morning. Oh man I was struggling for the first few hours there. But I must say the negative was pretty well balanced by the positive (being super high all day yesterday).
herbivore21
Well-Known Member
hahahaha man I have woken up still stoned from shatter loads of times! I am so wasted off it right now! I can't believe this stuff exists!
Definitely is more of a time commitment than flowers if you are doing much of it!
Definitely is more of a time commitment than flowers if you are doing much of it!
Mr. Gweilo 420
Dude
Yesterday I fell asleep watching Game of Thrones. I am usually an extremely light sleeper (it is a curse) and I swear it took my wife at least 6 attempts to wake me. Then once I kind of woke up it took me several attempts to comprehend what she was saying. I could hear words but they didn't mean anything. I then thought it was Monday morning and it was time to go to work. Actually, the vegetables I was baking were ready and it was time to eat dinner 
Ha ha I guess I should be happy that my concentrates actually worked. Now I just need to figure out how much to consume 
Ha ha I guess I should be happy that my concentrates actually worked. Now I just need to figure out how much to consume 
Caligula
Maximus
I'd say using a torch/nail is keeping my use in check due to how much of a operation it is to get out the rig, fill it, add CBE, get the nail out, heat it, wait for it to cool, and finally dab only to clean up and put everything away after a few globs get into my system.
I think it may be an e-nail that will finally be the end of me. LOL.
I think it may be an e-nail that will finally be the end of me. LOL.
syrupy
Authorized Buyer
Saturday night I became nostalgic and broke out the torch, the swing, some nails, etc.
Started hitting the Cherry-AK. Wow, forgot how this hits me. Passed out around 9pm or so.
Woke up feeling thirsty. Logged in the FC to check some posts. Waitaminute, it's only been ONE HOUR since I vaped? That doesn't make sense...
Realization hit that Ive been asleep for 25 hours. Didn't wake up once.
Concentrates.... just wow.
Started hitting the Cherry-AK. Wow, forgot how this hits me. Passed out around 9pm or so.
Woke up feeling thirsty. Logged in the FC to check some posts. Waitaminute, it's only been ONE HOUR since I vaped? That doesn't make sense...
Realization hit that Ive been asleep for 25 hours. Didn't wake up once.
Concentrates.... just wow.
aesthyrian
Blaaaaah
haha wow what you guys are explaining has only happened to me over edibles, mostly due to the difficulty on dosing, and the delayed onset of effects. Not the super stoned part, just the wasting a whole day sleeping part. 
2clicker
Observer
i have and still find my QWET to be better. Skunkpharm says that their QWET gets higher ratings flavor wise from their test panels time and time again over their BHO. and i know they know what they are doing.
dont get me wrong really good BHO is fantastic stuff. its just not as good as the QWET that i extract. or as safe.
@Caligula, have you tried a top grade QWET from a high end extract artist before?
Caligula
Maximus
I have some at the moment as a matter of fact. Interesting that you bring this up since I was going to post about it later...
Anyway, I'm not sure if I can taste the EC or if it's just part of the flavor profile? The hint of flavor is barely there, making it hard to pin down and I don't taste it when dabbing... however if I use my Hercules cart at low temp it's more apparent.
Is there a way to determine if all the alcohol was evaporated off or not?
Maybe I should make that post anyway...
Anyway, I'm not sure if I can taste the EC or if it's just part of the flavor profile? The hint of flavor is barely there, making it hard to pin down and I don't taste it when dabbing... however if I use my Hercules cart at low temp it's more apparent.
Is there a way to determine if all the alcohol was evaporated off or not?
Maybe I should make that post anyway...
syrupy
Authorized Buyer
Please do.
2clicker
Observer
that is a good question. the only extract that i get a "taste" from is QWISO. iso adds a nasty taste to oil IMO and i will never extract with it again.
what consistency is the QWET you are working with now? shatter or wax? every single extraction w/ ethanol that i have done has produced a shatter that is very stable to handle. i purge well w/ low heat, a fan, and time. i have never tasted the ethanol in my QWET, but i havent tried anyone elses. do you know what strain the starting material was?
honestly i think the differences in flavor and effect between QWET and BHO are pretty negligible, but i do give the slight edge to QWET. plus its easier and more safe to extract IMO. not sure what is causing the flavor issue you are having. under purging may be the problem.
Check http://www.316twholesale.com/ for great deals on SS screens for extraction.
Caligula
Maximus
I'm not doing the extracting. It was purchased from an MMJ dispensary. But I see how I worded things, that might be confusing. Sorry about that I meant to say all I got from the bud tender was that they use some sort of natural fiber filter. I assumed he meant a paper filter of some sort.
On a plus side I found out there's a localish place to buy EC if I ever need some.
On a plus side I found out there's a localish place to buy EC if I ever need some.
hishighness
Well-Known Member
can't say much that hasn't been said but just want to comment on two things:
Shit I remember when I started dabbing a few years ago I sat inside every day and probably did like half a gram per day (of much worse oil too lol). Before I started dabbing I smoked an oz of bud a week so the idea that I could take 1 hit and get higher than I would smoking bud non-stop all day was incredibly appealing. I find myself taking less dabs these days but they are still my favorite way to ingest THC.
Really? BHO is the thing that made you say, "wow, humans are different from nature"? Really? The fact that you, I, and countless others are able to exchange words instantaneously thanks to gigantic metallic satellites floating above our atmosphere 24/7 doesn't have the same impact on you?
This is a very biased place to base your opinion of BHO on... that's like going onto Tony Hawk's instagram and saying "wow why do skaters only talk about skateboarding, don't they do anything else"? Well, not really, because that's that person's job, or if it isn't, that's their hobby (same way people like knitting, rock climbing, or anything else). But For every 1 instagrammer there's 5 dudes out there dabbing away in their room alone.
Shit I remember when I started dabbing a few years ago I sat inside every day and probably did like half a gram per day (of much worse oil too lol). Before I started dabbing I smoked an oz of bud a week so the idea that I could take 1 hit and get higher than I would smoking bud non-stop all day was incredibly appealing. I find myself taking less dabs these days but they are still my favorite way to ingest THC.
I have been doing DIY concentrates since 2003. This started it for me. Methods change, but those are my roots.
http://www.cannabisculture.com/content/2003/12/04/Honey-oil-made-easy
There was no scene for that in my area. I don't hear about availability but LHS has all the extraction goodies and oil rigs, nails etc. I never really had the proper tools to enjoy them properly. Now that I have found FC and the wealth of info here, I am enjoying them more. It used to be more of a novelty for me. Now vaping concentrates is how I medicate most. I really don't combust anymore. I am spending 1/2 the money and getting 200% THC
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The Nail is definitely the quickest path to Nirvanna for me...but it is a path I don't travel often.
Mostly it it my W9 TECH KISS Cart, or Hercules SR-71/74. 7.4v re-built HOT KISS w/Persei+ WP = BLISS
Almost as good as the nail but a lot less hassle!
http://www.cannabisculture.com/content/2003/12/04/Honey-oil-made-easy
There was no scene for that in my area. I don't hear about availability but LHS has all the extraction goodies and oil rigs, nails etc. I never really had the proper tools to enjoy them properly. Now that I have found FC and the wealth of info here, I am enjoying them more. It used to be more of a novelty for me. Now vaping concentrates is how I medicate most. I really don't combust anymore. I am spending 1/2 the money and getting 200% THC
.The Nail is definitely the quickest path to Nirvanna for me...but it is a path I don't travel often.
Mostly it it my W9 TECH KISS Cart, or Hercules SR-71/74. 7.4v re-built HOT KISS w/Persei+ WP = BLISS
Almost as good as the nail but a lot less hassle!
the_cascadian
Well-Known Member
no, it's not THE thing, it's just yet another thing that i believe is an indication of a culture moving away from nature, which will ultimately be our downfall. we aren't different from nature, we are one and the same. not sure where you found that in my original post.
Caligula
Maximus
If you really want to get into that nitty gritty, fine line look at things, lighting a flower on fire and inhaling smoke isnt "natural" either (hell, is using fire any more "natural" than using any other tool?) ...Nor is the untold amount of selective breeding (read: GMO) thats been going on to get the strains we have today.
I think you have a noble ideal, however like most ideals, its not grounded in reality.
I think you have a noble ideal, however like most ideals, its not grounded in reality.
kingtut106
Well-Known Member
Well getting back on topic, has anybody had qwet and bho concentrates made from the same strain from a trusted extraction artist?
the_cascadian
Well-Known Member
why must my original point be reduced to this all-or nothing mentality of, well if x isn't natural, then nothing is? sure, cannabis has been heavily modified by the hands of man, but selective breeding is an ancient practice. it's not like scientists are injecting shrimp genes into cannabis or anything like that. i'm not looking to throw heaps of cannabis onto a fire and dance around it naked while gnawing on a piece of raw meat. i came here trying to incite an interesting conversation. most of the questions i've asked aren't even being considered. sigh.
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2clicker
Observer
you said yourself that we are nature. and you are right we are. so one might argue that everything we create is nature as well. a natural evolution. all of our technology was created from raw nature. so it must also be nature. our evolution as a species will continue and no matter what happens from it... its natural. our space exploration is natural. humans will likely be living in space and or on other planets with stars before we know it.
we arent moving away from nature. we create it.
the_cascadian
Well-Known Member
"natural" is a very broad term so let me specify here: i'm defining natural as that which optimizes the health and wellness of our species, using food plants and medicinal plants, substances, whatever, that have been with our cells for thousands of years, substances that are ancestrally familiar, and that have a long, proven track record of safety within our species. my question here is whether or not dabbing fits within these parameters.
2clicker, just because humans create something doesn't mean it's good for us. we create pthalates and they are not good for us, even if they fit within your parameters of human-made nature. many things we considered to be healthy, i.e. cigarettes, are eventually proven to be unhealthy for us. my concern is that BHO may eventually be proven an unhealthy substance.
I am trying to approach the question of to dab or not to dab from the question of what is ultimately the healthiest choice in consuming cannabis.
also, for the record, a genetically modified organism in the modern definition is entirely different than selective breeding, as is done with cannabis.
2clicker, just because humans create something doesn't mean it's good for us. we create pthalates and they are not good for us, even if they fit within your parameters of human-made nature. many things we considered to be healthy, i.e. cigarettes, are eventually proven to be unhealthy for us. my concern is that BHO may eventually be proven an unhealthy substance.
I am trying to approach the question of to dab or not to dab from the question of what is ultimately the healthiest choice in consuming cannabis.
also, for the record, a genetically modified organism in the modern definition is entirely different than selective breeding, as is done with cannabis.
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Ok, so we are all in agreement here that CANNIBIS IS GOOD. Right. So given that, I think that the words of wisdom that I have not seen here in this discussion: ALL THINGS IN MODERATION. If CANNIBIS is good then it would stand to reason that the extractive of CANNIBIS, likewise, is good. There is nothing added to my concentrates. I am using less flowers overall. And most importantly.
I am HAPPY.
Now, the question at hand is: Is it unhealthy to be inhaling excessively large clouds of vapor, no matter the source? Look at the inside of your vaporizer or water piece... See that gunk, that's going inside your lungs. Granted it doesn't look as bad as my pipes and bongs from combustion but still not so good. Tightly controlled doses of Edibles are probably the safest way to go. But that's no fun is it...?
herbivore21
Well-Known Member
Every chemical is derived from something naturally occurring at some point. The only relevant question about the chemicals we put into our bodies is what does the scientific data tell us about what these chemicals do to us.
We have some idea of what the many terpenoids in cannabis do to our bodies, and it is not anything particularly negative.
However, we have yet to fully understand the effects of cannabis flowers or concentrates on homo sapiens from a scientific standpoint. This is mostly due to international law having prohibited this research for a long time.
Also, we have been modifying genetics of plants and animals since Mendel and before that. Selective breeding is one kind of genetic modification. Genetic modification is not necessarily bad, it depends on the nature and consequences of the modification.
I mean absolutely nothing untoward to anyone here - but we need to avoid the 'naturalistic fallacy' and focus on what the drugs we use actually do to our bodies.
We have some idea of what the many terpenoids in cannabis do to our bodies, and it is not anything particularly negative.
However, we have yet to fully understand the effects of cannabis flowers or concentrates on homo sapiens from a scientific standpoint. This is mostly due to international law having prohibited this research for a long time.
Also, we have been modifying genetics of plants and animals since Mendel and before that. Selective breeding is one kind of genetic modification. Genetic modification is not necessarily bad, it depends on the nature and consequences of the modification.
I mean absolutely nothing untoward to anyone here - but we need to avoid the 'naturalistic fallacy' and focus on what the drugs we use actually do to our bodies.
Mr. Gweilo 420
Dude
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