Discontinued The Firefly Vaporizer

studmuffin said:

Sorry, 400 degrees is 400 degrees, which is well below the material's ignition temperature Do an internet search for "pyrolysis". ABV can be black and ashy in the Firefly, but that is the end stage of the oxidation phenomenon of pyrolysis. The oxidation rate of pyrolysis is less than that of combustion, which has a very rapid rate of oxidation, with it's attendant by-products. I am not trying to be annoying and abstruse here. I am just applying my physics background to vaporizing with the Firefly. I have had my Firefly for two weeks, and it is stellar !

Click to expand...

You can do an internet search for any word you want but you are wrong. I have combusted in the FF before and it was true combustion.

Anyhow, others have given reasons why this happens. There you go...you learned something today.

Word.

WildChild said:

You can do an internet search for any word you want but you are wrong. I have combusted in the FF before and it was true combustion.

Anyhow, others have given reasons why this happens. There you go...you learned something today.

Word.

Click to expand...

I think part of reason for the occasional combustion is the "perfect storm" of dryness, grind and airflow over the heated material. Kind of like starting a fire with a flint on dry straw by blowing on the spark. Does that make sense?

On another note, I sure do miss my Firefly. It's somewhere between here and Seattle on a FedEx truck. My learned Firefly technique has definitely improved my MFLB results, but it's no Firefly.

Almost time to learn what the FF is all about! FedEx don't fail on me now

vapin baby boomer said:

I think part of reason for the occasional combustion is the "perfect storm" of dryness, grind and airflow over the heated material. Kind of like starting a fire with a flint on dry straw by blowing on the spark. Does that make sense?

On another note, I sure do miss my Firefly. It's somewhere between here and Seattle on a FedEx truck. My learned Firefly technique has definitely improved my MFLB results, but it's no Firefly.

Click to expand...

That certainly makes sense to me.

@masaki

Good luck...I hope it arrives soon!

Just picked up my FF from Fedex by my house. It's a beautiful device but sadly I received it with a small scratch on the lid :/

Other than that it's beautiful


Edit: The vapor is amazing! Really cool hits and tasty clouds. I still need dial it in but so far so good

I just bought a Firefly. I have asthma, and haven't been able to smoke boo comfortably in many years. I finally gave up trying after paying for the attempt for a week, so I have great hope for my Firefly!

Have any of you heard how the Firefly works for people that have asthma? I will use it for the first time this coming Saturday.

I bought the Firefly based on the reviews I've seen. I'd used an old clunky vaporizer about 6-7 years back at a friend's and was just amazed when my asthma never kicked in! I wanted something that was portable, and after reading about the different types, thought convection would be the way to go.

One thing that has worried me about the various videos I've seen: the people in them are usually going for "clouds of vapor". These clouds look awfully like smoke to me. Can you guys let me know for sure whether or not there is any smoke in these? I used a pen vape for a single hit last year and it killed me..

TooflessGranny said:

I just bought a Firefly. I have asthma, and haven't been able to smoke boo comfortably in many years. I finally gave up trying after paying for the attempt for a week, so I have great hope for my Firefly!

Have any of you heard how the Firefly works for people that have asthma? I will use it for the first time this coming Saturday.

I bought the Firefly based on the reviews I've seen. I'd used an old clunky vaporizer about 6-7 years back at a friend's and was just amazed when my asthma never kicked in! I wanted something that was portable, and after reading about the different types, thought convection would be the way to go.

One thing that has worried me about the various videos I've seen: the people in them are usually going for "clouds of vapor". These clouds look awfully like smoke to me. Can you guys let me know for sure whether or not there is any smoke in these? I used a pen vape for a single hit last year and it killed me..

Click to expand...

I literally got my FF yesterday and only got the chance to run one bowl through it .. It came in a day early, I wasn't ready! But from my very little experience I believe you'll be fine. You can control the density of your vapor with draw and button press. I also have very light asthma and it didn't trigger anything like combusting would.

Today I'll get more Flower for some FF fun! Pretty excited, hopefully work goes by quick!

TooflessGranny said:

One thing that has worried me about the various videos I've seen: the people in them are usually going for "clouds of vapor". These clouds look awfully like smoke to me. Can you guys let me know for sure whether or not there is any smoke in these? I used a pen vape for a single hit last year and it killed me..

Click to expand...

No smoke.
Vapor can be pretty dense if conditons are good.. giving a smoke -like appearance.

TooflessGranny said:

I just bought a Firefly. I have asthma, and haven't been able to smoke boo comfortably in many years. I finally gave up trying after paying for the attempt for a week, so I have great hope for my Firefly!

Have any of you heard how the Firefly works for people that have asthma? I will use it for the first time this coming Saturday.

I bought the Firefly based on the reviews I've seen. I'd used an old clunky vaporizer about 6-7 years back at a friend's and was just amazed when my asthma never kicked in! I wanted something that was portable, and after reading about the different types, thought convection would be the way to go.

One thing that has worried me about the various videos I've seen: the people in them are usually going for "clouds of vapor". These clouds look awfully like smoke to me. Can you guys let me know for sure whether or not there is any smoke in these? I used a pen vape for a single hit last year and it killed me..

Click to expand...

Big thick vapor clouds. Not smoke, when used properly and working correctly. Not even close.

I have a very mild form of allergy-induced asthma. The FF is smooth and cool...not that inhaling hot air and vapor will never make you cough, but it's way milder, less irritating, and healthier than combustion, obviously. And my personal preference is convection vaping...I find the FF much kinder to my lungs than the many, often harsh, portable conduction vapes that seem so popular these days.

Thanks! I will post again once I've given it a whirl!

The firefly offers pretty cool vapor, especially for a portable;
but for asthma going through water out of a plug-in vape might be even better.

WildChild said:

You can do an internet search for any word you want but you are wrong. I have combusted in the FF before and it was true combustion.

Anyhow, others have given reasons why this happens. There you go...you learned something today.

Word.

Click to expand...

Thanx for the tutorial. I based my conclusion on the premise that the Firefly software program incorporates a thermocouple with a threshold of 400 F. Otherwise, you would introduce too many variables into the process. For example, if a FF was left on the dash of a vehicle parked in sunlight, this would skew the heating process by initializing the heating unit from a higher ambient temperature, potentially creating a temp at or above 451 F, which is the minimum combustion temperature of the material in the bowl. Also, concerns that by "pulsing" the heating button a user could exceed the 400 degree threshold, leading to rapid oxidation "should not" be valid "if" the FF software program is working "properly". This would be the equivalent of pushing a Walk actuation button at a pedestrian crosswalk multiple times in order to expedite the Walk signal. IF it is possible to achieve temperatures at or above 451 degrees F, then the engineers at Firefly need to rewrite code, or fine tune the thermocouple functionality to ensure that this cannot be induced. The Firefly company is a consumer-driven business, and I am encouraged by their customer service excellence. I think that we can presume that subsequent generations of their product will be better than version 1.0. A vaporizer which has the potential to combust the herbal material is not really a vaporizer at my "house".

ps: If you have not already done so, you should provide feedback to the customer service entity. I am positive that they would like "to learn something today". Peace-n-Love

"I think that we can presume that subsequent generations of their product will be better than version 1.0. A vaporizer which has the potential to combust the herbal material is not really a vaporizer at my "house"."

Speak for yourself. "We" love this version of the Firefly. If you can't keep yourself from combusting then; FUCK COMBUSTION!.

This is version #3 I think

mckeen said:

"I think that we can presume that subsequent generations of their product will be better than version 1.0. A vaporizer which has the potential to combust the herbal material is not really a vaporizer at my "house"."

Speak for yourself. "We" love this version of the Firefly. If you can't keep yourself from combusting then; FUCK COMBUSTION!.

Click to expand...

Remember, I said "potential to combust". I personally have had nary an incidence of combustion, personally speaking, for myself, at my "house". Thank you for your concern.

studmuffin said:

ps: If you have not already done so, you should provide feedback to the customer service entity. I am positive that they would like "to learn something today". Peace-n-Love

Click to expand...

All of us here who have had even a whiff of problems (pun intended) with the FF have had multiple, often frequent, contact with FF and their customer service folks (and in some cases engineers directly). They are well aware of the issues with heat profile inconsistencies, including the occasional "too hot" and "too cool" units. It's not a problem with their software...it's razor-thin tolerances regarding heating coil placement that seem to cause variances. I certainly wouldn't expect anyone new to this thread to read all 128 pages, but those of us who've lived with the FF since they were first shipped have jawboned all these problems to death, both among ourselves and directly with the FF people. I'm pretty confident that subsequent versions will contain substantive improvements, but I'm also confident that even those of us with issues have been made very happy by FF's customer service (and speaking for myself, I'm pretty tolerant and accepting of early-adopter growing pains).

grokit said:

This is like version #3 I think

Click to expand...

Counting all the prototypes, I believe it's version #4! (Though maybe technically FF 1.4 or something...)

This thing gets ridiculously hot to the point it was almost unbearable to hold it.. Is this a malfunction or something FF user deals with?

mitchgo61 said:

All of us here who have had even a whiff of problems (pun intended) with the FF have had multiple, often frequent, contact with FF and their customer service folks (and in some cases engineers directly). They are well aware of the issues with heat profile inconsistencies, including the occasional "too hot" and "too cool" units. It's not a problem with their software...it's razor-thin tolerances regarding heating coil placement that seem to cause variances. I certainly wouldn't expect anyone new to this thread to read all 128 pages, but those of us who've lived with the FF since they were first shipped have jawboned all these problems to death, both among ourselves and directly with the FF people. I'm pretty confident that subsequent versions will contain substantive improvements, but I'm also confident that even those of us with issues have been made very happy by FF's customer service (and speaking for myself, I'm pretty tolerant and accepting of early-adopter growing pains).



Counting all the prototypes, I believe it's version #4! (Though maybe technically FF 1.4 or something...)

Click to expand...

I indeed have not read all of the postings on this thread. And, I only have 2 weeks experience with what must be the latest iteration. However, my unit, which I purchased used, seems to be working just dandy, thanks to an excellent YouTube video from Vape Critic which included helpful usage tips. One of the improvements I would suggest for future versions is a retractable mouthpiece. Overall, this is a really elegant piece of machinery. And I am sure that evolutionary forces will make the future Firefly even better.

masaki said:

This thing gets ridiculously hot to the point it was almost unbearable to hold it.. Is this a malfunction or something FF user deals with?

Click to expand...

After how long of a session? And are you doing back to back sessions?

Ive noticed it retains heat very well until its pushed in a long session (20+ draws), or in back to back sessions where its unable to cool down. Remember that your inhale should be half on, half off. Meaning drawing while pressing the button and generating heat, and continuing/finishing your draw while the button is released to use up that left-over heat.

Also make sure no vents are covered during draws, this can divert heat and restrict airflow.

I have found that, for me, one of the keys to getting everything evenly dark is to leave the lid on the whole time or close to it. I used to open and stir quite a bit, but now i just shake it against my hand and leave the lid closed. It retains heat much better and means that the button push time is reduced. I am getting perfectly cooked ABV every time now!

My technique (similar to a number of you other guys)

I have two batteries. I pick up the FF and give it a 10 second press. Then a 5 second press.
I then put in the fresh battery.
Press for 3 seconds
Hit while holding for 7-10
Release button
Continue hitting for 6-8 seconds.
FIN

Near the very end of the bowl I will sometimes use a second button press.

This device gets way to hot for me to quickly. My abv is black every time which makes me believe I'm combusting. I don't know if I'm using it wrong or the FF is defective. I want to believe it's just me since the device is barely 2 days old.

Is the screen touching the bottom metal plate with the holes in it? It should be raised up only making contact with the glass. If not your ABV shouldn't really get black that each easy. The FF get it black but after like.. quite a few draws and you gotta roast that last hit.

ktom1991 said:

Is the screen touching the bottom metal plate with the holes in it? It should be raised up only making contact with the glass.

Click to expand...

I received my FF am the screen had a little wiggle and it was placed underneath the glass. I don't know if that's necessarily making contact with the metal plate.

masaki said:

I received my FF am the screen had a little wiggle and it was placed underneath the glass. I don't know if that's necessarily making contact with the metal plate.

Click to expand...

Sounds to me like something is wrong. My FF only gets remotely close to uncomfortably hot if I use it repeatedly for a few bowls.

masaki said:

I received my FF am the screen had a little wiggle and it was placed underneath the glass. I don't know if that's necessarily making contact with the metal plate.

Click to expand...

That is the correct placement for the screen. It's meant to sit directly on the steel plate, with the edges just underneath the glass bowl. You shouldn't have black ABV at all....mine never gets that dark. And while the unit will get pretty hot if you have a long session with long button pushes and not enough drawing after the button is released, what you are describing doesn't sound normal to me. Worth a call to FF to see what they say. I would guess your coil is misplaced and causing too much heat too quickly, from what little data we have on your FF so far.