Discontinued Pax Vaporizer by Ploom

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euph0ric1

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Usage Tips:"It's a good idea to "burn off" a new Pax before its initial session. Set to high and run empty for 5-10 minutes."

plastic taste: when brand new and empty oven sucking on mouthpiece tasted like plastic... i thought it was the mouthpiece but i think it was coming from the bottom where the oven is (lid) ... maybe i don´t know.... but i am very sensitive i don tknow...

Ahh very interesting. Well, I didn't do a "burn off" so I hope I didn't inhale anything harmful :)

And I think I know what you mean with the plastic taste.. The only time I taste something like that is when I close the mouthpiece and take the final draw of vapor from it. It always tastes so weird.
 
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i had two sessions yesterday... and couldnt detect any plastic taste any more... i will clean it today and then will run the pax empty and check again if there is a plastic taste... could be because it was brand new... i would hope there would be a hybrid from pax and cera... performance of vapor, descreetness, size, easy to use like pax and quality products used like in cera (all ceramic and ss or titanium)...
 

420democrat

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Found a black pax for 75 this weekend locally on cl, what are tale tell signs of a fake? I'm about to go look at it and hopefully head home with a new toy


It was brand new in box packaged the kid got it as a gift and wanted fast cash, I'll probably just sell it myself now, the vapor production not good as my indica
 
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Jethro

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Well, after a good long almost year and a half with this device it finally crapped out last night. All lights work as normal, charges normal, shows full battery, but just does not get hot. Glows purple forever. Time to see if this 10 year warranty is really what people say.
 
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Giddily

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Agreed. When my first one died I was so happy to have another one ready to go.
So, I just got my pax in the mail today, ordered it from a third party site, not the pax site, and I went to turn it on but had to wait 2 minutes while it tried to heat up (purple light). After this time, the light started flashing red and when I took the oven cover off to touch the oven itself it wasn't even warm. Does anyone know what the issue might be? I also fully charged it and cleaned it just to be sure it wasn't any of the other problems I've read about. It's also my first one and I had to wait 3 weeks to get it.
 
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Does anyone know what the issue might be? I also fully charged it
Flashing red light while trying to heat usually means dead battery.

If you charged it, I'm not sure what the problem would be. But I would put it on the charger until it glows green, then try again to be sure.
 

Jethro

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Well, no response to my online ticket with Ploom. I guess I have to call for an RMA#.
 
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Jethro

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Does anyone have a phone number for Ploom? There isn't one listed on their website, no one is responding to my emails... I've submitted a support ticket online... this is a very bad sign for what I have heard is good customer service. Not a happy PAX owner right now... with a broken PAX!!

And if I can get in touch with someone, how do I send it back? I mean, I cleaned it, but it's still a bit sketchy isn't it? Still smells like flower quite a bit. Not very cool.
 
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GraffiX

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Hey all! I'm seriously out of commission lately with chronic pain and facing some surgeries in the future, but I wanted to pop in to share some info, and a solution, regarding a common problem that appears to come up often with the Pax, one I decided to tackle:

The Dreaded Sticking/Frozen Temp Button!!

Background: So, I have owned my Pax now for about 8 months. In that time Ive read this entire thread, contributed a few PicTutorial posts, met some new friends, learned a lot, and hopefully helped and inspired others.

During that time the frozen and sticking temp button has been a fairly common issue for some. As you know from previous posts, I'm a bit geeky and anal about my device with regard to function and maintenance. There are really only 2 mechanical systems on the Pax; the mouthpiece system, and the temp button.

I clean meticulously, and because of the common button issue I kept reading about, I would check mine for function every few cleanings (I leave mine on medium all the time).

I noticed that the button was getting stickier over time. Didn't have as much travel as when new, and most recently noticed that to get the temp to change, pushing the button had no travel at all, just pressure. In other words, it was getting worse and on the verge of becoming stuck. Seriously.

In my reading here particularly, I noted that people were attributing the sticky button to getting Isopropyl Alcohol in the button opening. Some even indicated that Ploom had told them this was the cause of their frozen temp button. I don't dispute people were told this, no reason to...I will address this later.

However, my button was nearly useless/frozen, and as stated, I am meticulous about my cleaning routine and have never gotten even a speck of IA in that temp button.

After freaking out a bit, I decided to study the sitch and it was clear to me that the button is becoming frozen due to resin, the only other logical explanation.

Also, if you consider the construction itself, the material between the outside diameter of the mouthpiece stem and the temp button hole is EXTREMELY thin! THIS means that as the unit gets dirty with normal use and lubrication, a film of light resin does build up on the exterior diameter of the mouthpiece. This can then easily, over time, as the mouthpiece is pushed in and out, transfer slight amounts of resin from the mouthpiece tube exterior directly into the button hole via that VERY thin wall between mouthpiece tube and button. Go look, right now, no kidding!! Since the button is out of any direct vapor path, this all seems logical to me, so I set out to resolve the issue.

I chose not to disassemble the unit (I really want to because that's how I roll, but wont for warranty reasons), but I REALLY needed to fix this button or it would DEFINITELY have to go back as it was a use or two away from being frozen. I'm a geek. I can't let it go. I had to think it out, and try something. Fortunately, it worked!

Here is how I restored my button to BRAND NEW condition. (I make NO warranty as to your results, but I CAN tell you that this fixed my unit as if it were brand new from being as good as frozen and useless, and suggest that if you follow my directions, no harm will come to your unit:

You will need:
- 99% Isopropyl Alcohol
- A dropper, or other method of delivering a small amt of alcohol accurately
- Compressed air (standard canned "duster" spray with the small tube attachment)
- Paper towel or small clean absorbent rag
- 10-15 minutes of your time

Directions:

1. Start with a clean unit.

2. Remove the mouthpiece and then place/remove the Pax on the charger for a second to turn the unit off. NO EXCEPTIONS, make SURE the unit is off before you begin!!

3. USE 99% ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL, NO EXCEPTIONS!!! I cant stress this enough!! I said I'd address this issue earlier, so here we go. There are generally 2 flavors of IPA at your pharmacy; 70% and 99%. The 70% is 30% water. Water is NOT good for electronics, and it MAY be that getting 70% IPA in there WILL damage the button, as in during a normal cleaning routine, and as some others have suggested. 70% will work fine for general cleaning, but I STRONGLY recommend that you spring for a bit extra and get the 99% for cleaning the Pax all the time.

...onto the fix...take a breath, it's just wordy to describe clearly what I'm doing, not because it's complicated. Promise.

4. Tilt the Pax at a 45 degree away from the temp button

5. Using a dropper or other method, place 6-7 drops of IPA in oval top of the Pax so it is away from the feed tube and temp button. You want a little pool sitting in there in the mouthpiece well, away from the tube and button.

6. Slowly rotate the Pax so the IPA is settled along the long side of the wall, near the temp button. Again, small pool, now sitting close to the temp button

7. Now slowly level off the top of the Pax carefully so that a bit of the pooled IPA drips into the temp button hole, down the side furthest from the mouthpiece tube, then tilt it back away. You don't want IPA going everywhere, near, or down the mouthpiece hole.

8. Rotate back to the 45 degree to bring the IPA back to the starting position and mop out any pooled IPA with the toweling.

(the idea here is to put a bit of IPA in there and allow a bit to get down into the button. You don't want to soak it, you don't want it to get into the mouthpiece tube, you don't want to drip it down into the button directly with a dropper, just rotating it enough to get a bit into the side of the button furthest from the mouthpiece hole. A dropper MAY work to deliver a drop directly in, but I did not take that route and opted for a more gentle approach. going slowly. Keep in mind this was all experimental, I didn't want to further destroy the thing...but I had a STRONG hunch.)

9. Slowly manipulate the temp button in a circular fashion under your thumb. Use your thumbnail to gently pull/rock the button from one side to the other. You want to work the IPA in and around gently but thoroughly. Do.this for about 15-20 seconds.

10. Mop any remaining IPA from around the temp button and the mouthpiece area

Repeat steps 4-10, and from this time forth, use the compressed air to deliver a few short blasts into the temp button hole, down the sides, when you're done manipulating the button. I don't think drying out the first run is a good idea, hence not using compressed air on the first run. We're trying to do 2 things here; push any resin dissolved in the IPA (and the IPA) away from the button mechanism, and to dry it up. Again, we are talking VERY small amounts of IPA here that you've carefully let drip into the button hole, working it around to dissolve any resin, and then displace the resin/IPA away from the button mechanism inside using compressed air.

You will notice the button beginning to free up after the first dose. It took me 5-6 runs of the steps above, and now my temp button is EXACTLY like brand new. The button moves freely in the hole, it has a distinct click feel to it when selecting a temp. I'm telling you, it was one use away from being completely stuck.

The compressed air is critical and NOT optional! After I'd done 2 runs initially, I felt the button was freed up and working fine. However, going back about 30 mins later, the button wasn't as free, sticking again. To me, this meant that the IPA had dried out and left the resin right there where it had dissolved it, which is NOT what we want! So, I ran the steps again, only this time I used compressed air down the temp button hole after each run just after I'd manipulated the button around, ensuring that the blasts of air would displace any IPA containing dissolved resin from the button mechanism. This was KEY in making sure the button got freed up and STAYED freed up. Just use the long skinny tube included with compressed air, place it right on the button hole edge, and blast a few quick blasts of air down in there.

I know this was another really long post, and I hope it helps those with this issue. I was so elated that this worked, DESPITE what apparently Ploom had said to others, and DESPITE what has sort of become "matter-of-fact" regarding getting IPA down into the temp button and causing it to freeze, that I wanted to share and hope it saves some of you some headache and anxiety about your Pax. I know it completely goes against everything we know about the temp button so far, but this really worked and saved my otherwise meticulously maintained Pax.

I absolutely LOVE this thing, and my spare still remains brand new in the box, unused!! W00T!!!

Keep it clean, use some common sense, and happy Paxing brothers and sisters!!

GraffiX
 
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Vape Dr.

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Hey all! I'm seriously out of commission lately with chronic pain and facing some surgeries in the future, but I wanted to pop in to share some info, and a solution, regarding a common problem that appears to come up often with the Pax, one I decided to tackle:

The Dreaded Sticking/Frozen Temp Button!!

Background: So, I have owned my Pax now for about 8 months. In that time Ive read this entire thread, contributed a few PicTutorial posts, met some new friends, learned a lot, and hopefully helped and inspired others.

During that time the frozen and sticking temp button has been a fairly common issue for some. As you know from previous posts, I'm a bit geeky and anal about my device with regard to function and maintenance. There are really only 2 mechanical systems on the Pax; the mouthpiece system, and the temp button.


I clean meticulously, and because of the common button issue I kept reading about, I would check mine for function every few cleanings (I leave mine on medium all the time).

I noticed that the button was getting stickier over time. Didn't have as much travel as when new, and most recently noticed that to get the temp to change, pushing the button had no travel at all, just pressure. In other words, it was getting worse and on the verge of becoming stuck. Seriously.

In my reading here particularly, I noted that people were attributing the sticky button to getting Isopropyl Alcohol in the button opening. Some even indicated that Ploom had told them this was the cause of their frozen temp button. I don't dispute people were told this, no reason to...I will address this later.

However, my button was nearly useless/frozen, and as stated, I am meticulous about my cleaning routine and have never gotten even a speck of IA in that temp button.

After freaking out a bit, I decided to study the sitch and it was clear to me that the button is becoming frozen due to resin, the only other logical explanation.

Also, if you consider the construction itself, the material between the outside diameter of the mouthpiece stem and the temp button hole is EXTREMELY thin! THIS means that as the unit gets dirty with normal use and lubrication, a film of light resin does build up on the exterior diameter of the mouthpiece. This can then easily, over time, as the mouthpiece is pushed in and out, transfer slight amounts of resin from the mouthpiece tube exterior directly into the button hole via that VERY thin wall between mouthpiece tube and button. Go look, right now, no kidding!! Since the button is out of any direct vapor path, this all seems logical to me, so I set out to resolve the issue.

I chose not to disassemble the unit (I really want to because that's how I roll, but wont for warranty reasons), but I REALLY needed to fix this button or it would DEFINITELY have to go back as it was a use or two away from being frozen. I'm a geek. I can't let it go. I had to think it out, and try something. Fortunately, it worked!

Here is how I restored my button to BRAND NEW condition. (I make NO warranty as to your results, but I CAN tell you that this fixed my unit as if it were brand new from being as good as frozen and useless, and suggest that if you follow my directions, no harm will come to your unit:


GraffiX

@GraffiX very nice and helpful article.
Kudos to you for not only taking the time to alleviate a common problem on the PAX thread, but also for sharing it with FC in such detail (mentioning to put the PAX with no MP on the charger and off to turn the unit off was a key point, as not to have the electronics on).
I hope this helps out many PAX owners as I'm sure it will.
I am very much the same as you. When I find a problem I go into "Sherlock Holmes" mode to find the culprit.
I must be one of the lucky ones, none of my 3 Paxs have had the sticky temp button.
I do also start on low, go to medium, cycle past high back to low when I PAX.
Maybe I'm lucky because I'm always cycling through the temps. Possibly also because I charge it right side up (charger on top) to help keep residue away from the mouthpiece area (or a combination of both?) who knows.

Thank you very much for sharing with us the fruits of your labor.
Now I know what to try if the temp button starts to stick.:tup:
 
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Thanks for the kind words fellas! I'm glad you enjoyed the info and am more than happy to share with my brothers and sisters out here on FC, it's truly a great community I'm glad to be a part of!

Dr. Vape, you're gonna have to get a warehouse to store all those vapes in, brother!! :) :) :)

Off to the doctor, you all have a wonderful weekend, keep your Pax's clean and happy, and hopefully some folks will be unsticking some temp buttons instead of packing them up for a return! :)

Peace and good energy to you all,
GraffiX
 

GraffiX

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How long does the battery last on medium? How many cycles? And how long is each cycle?

I use medium 100% of the time. My cycles last about 4-5 minutes. I get 6-7 cycles before I notice yellow or red, and another 2-3.before it will die.

I have done 2-3 cycles each day over a 3-4 day period before I am out of juice which roughly correlates to the data above.
 
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imasinner

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So, true story…

Friday night, I decide to treat myself to some mint chip ice cream in the fridge downstairs. I had my PAX loaded up and ready to go in my pocket for later (this part is relevant, I promise). Just as I get to the top of the stairs, my brain decides it is time to reboot, and I learn the hard way that I am not so good at going down stairs in my sleep.

I awoke moments later to a concerned spouse and two cats that think I am insane. Worst pain first, right? Broken toe. Noticed some pain in my left hand. My thumb had been dislocated. I freaked out and popped it back in place (took three tries… yes, I cried).

Off to the hospital, wishing I had something, ANYTHING, to medicate with. My PAX! It was still in my pocket (I told you that detail was important)! My first concern was that it was damaged in my reenactment of Jack and Jill… but NOPE! It was shining as brightly as ever and it was STILL CLOSED!

Needless to say, sweet relief soon followed… along with a very compliant patient (keep the pills, doc. I got this covered). I even got a sticker. :D

This thing is awesome. :rockon:
 
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GraffiX

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So, true story…

Friday night, I decide to treat myself to some mint chip ice cream in the fridge downstairs. I had my PAX loaded up and ready to go in my pocket for later (this part is relevant, I promise). Just as I get to the top of the stairs, my brain decides it is time to reboot, and I learn the hard way that I am not so good at going down stairs in my sleep.

I awoke moments later to a concerned spouse and two cats that think I am insane. Worst pain first, right? Broken toe. Noticed some pain in my left hand. My thumb had been dislocated. I freaked out and popped it back in place (took three tries… yes, I cried).

Off to the hospital, wishing I had something, ANYTHING, to medicate with. My PAX! It was still in my pocket (I told you that detail was important)! My first concern was that it was damaged in my reenactment of Jack and Jill… but NOPE! It was shining as brightly as ever and it was STILL CLOSED!

Needless to say, sweet relief soon followed… along with a very compliant patient (keep the pills, doc. I got this covered). I even got a sticker. :D

This thing is awesome. :rockon:

WOW! OUUUUCH!!! Glad you're alright, and....OUUUUUCH!!!! :(

Awesome story about the Pax though, what a trooper!! Glad you didn't "hip" that thing into oblivion on one of the stairs as you bounced down them!!

Be well, take care, and glad you're around to tell the tale!

GraffiX
 

imasinner

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WOW! OUUUUCH!!! Glad you're alright, and....OUUUUUCH!!!! :(

Awesome story about the Pax though, what a trooper!! Glad you didn't "hip" that thing into oblivion on one of the stairs as you bounced down them!!

Be well, take care, and glad you're around to tell the tale!

GraffiX

I sincerely thank you for your kind words @GraffiX!

I do realize that it could have been much, much worse. I am thankful every day that it was not, and I am much more aware of what my body is saying before I head to the stairs, ha!

I just wanted to share how awesome the PAX is and how it really came in handy when I needed it most. :)
 

euph0ric1

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@imasinner Wowww, that's crazy. Thanks for sharing. Sorry to hear about the incident but I applaud your attitude on the situation. So awesome to hear the Pax came to your rescue :D

I've always considered Pax to be a life-saver ever since day 1 of owning it.. But that right there is putting a whole new meaning to the phrase.

Feel better man!
 
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