Arizer Solo

c76man · May 10, 2014

I know lots of us have been waiting for planetvape to get their gong adapters back in stock. I checked in with them, as they were still showing as out of stock. Their reply was, in part, "We have lots of adapters available, but are releasing a controlled quantity per day to be able to keep our customer service levels high.". Thought others would be interested.

DoZeY422 · May 10, 2014

So my Solo started to have random shut off and beeping problems after having the unit for a only a few months. I also tried to tighten the screws underneath to make them flush so the Solo would be stable when standing up, bad idea. The bottom started to crack all over. So I contacted Arizer and they sent me a brand new unit (M1Y1) that is sturdy (screws are flush) along with 2 new stems free of charge. They also mailed my unit back to me express. Just wanted to say they take care of their customers and they have awesome customer service. It also seems like the shutoff time was cut down along with the length of the beep.

mystery3m · May 10, 2014

c76man said:
I know lots of us have been waiting for planetvape to get their gong adapters back in stock. I checked in with them, as they were still showing as out of stock. Their reply was, in part, "We have lots of adapters available, but are releasing a controlled quantity per day to be able to keep our customer service levels high.". Thought others would be interested.

Interesting. The rep I spoke to yesterday told me they only got a small supply in and are expecting some to arrive today and or Monday. He told me that they are only getting small batches from their supplier.

olivianewtonjohn · May 10, 2014

I might place an order for a gong, should be an interesting test to see if im forever banned from ordering a gong from planetvape or maybe they will start acting more professional? Who knows. All the posts about their great service is cool but I have a very differing experience and opinion.

For those interested:
-Ordered a PVHE gong, noticed it was loose near where the o-ring would make contact; would fall out if inverted and would rattle if I shook it.
-I let them know, they told me to use the o-ring (even though I already explained I was using the o-ring)
-After almost a month of back and forth and then them going on vacation I send it in
-They received it and tell me they cant figure out what the problem was, im shocked TBH
-Offer me replacement or refund, I opt for refund for now
-I think like a month went by and I ordered a new PVHE, it gets canceled and they say its because of my "negative posts" on this site. I challenge anyone to find "negative" posts; everything I posted was how I was being treated and/or fitment issues. I never once deviated from being polite and respectful (using "Thank you" and all the polite stuff in my emails)

For context, with the o-ring in I would grab my other stems and they all fit snuggly then without touching the cap or oring I would switch back to the PVHE gong and it would be loose. Also in between them asking if I wanted a replacement/refund and me reordering (and getting canceled) I dont believe I even posted about PV so kind of weird how their decision just randomly changed.

EDIT: Looking back at the situation I think I should have just lived with the loose stem. It was still functional just annoying. It caused me alot of wasted time and was just an annoying situation to deal with. When I had the issue, I thought I will just tell PV whats happening they have great customer service; now I know to just shut my mouth and move on next time.

NoName · May 10, 2014

OF said:
Again, unless your Solo is different from mine, that's not the bottom line. In fact it's not really happening. I say this because I've actually measured it. Consider, please, it will run with no battery at all, how does this square with needing a battery to run "lights and timer when in PA mode"?

Here's an experiment to run, change the voltage of the PA. I reported my tests along these lines some time back, I got a couple dozen sessions per battery charge with the PA at 7 Volts, but over 100 with exactly the same test run with the PA at 9 Volts. Why should 'the lights and timer' take so much less power at the higher input voltage?

The answer, from my tests, is that at lower PA voltages the battery contributes progressively more of the power to heat. You can see the increase in battery current when the heater kicks in. The jump is smaller when the PA voltage is higher.

I get what you think, it was my first assumption as well, but IMO objective testing shows otherwise. One should question/test assumptions. As is I think proper, I encourage others to repeat my experiments and draw their own conclusions. A theory is only as good as the proof I guess?

OF

Edit: Here's a post from the past you might find interesting?
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo.3833/page-735#post-451422

Hello FCrs,

I have run these experiments and come to the same conclusions as @OF (caveat: my conclusions are based on tests on my own Solo received 12/26/13). My 'new' Solo works in PA when its' battery has been Removed (so it would seem that "lights and timer while in PA mode" could not be attributed to this 'missing' component?). Good news is: with a PA, you can remove the battery and you're still 'good to go'.

Likewise, when varying the PA voltage, the higher the voltage - the higher the number of available sessions. Tried to 'count' the number of sessions available when using my stock PA (8.68v DC out) - lost count after 75....... Took PA down to around 7 volts - got around the same couple dozen sessions.

NN

Dr. Soxhlet · May 10, 2014

poonman said:
Here was my test results using a PA on a Fully Charged new Solo

I used it for a full hour straight on level 7 with the PA . 5 sessions
It didn't tripped the charge sensor , not once .
By that , I mean the green flashing light didn't come on .

I'd unplugged it , let it cool a few minutes .
Then plugged it in to the regular charger .
It was charging , it was still on 7 , but needed topping up
for about 20 minutes .

I thought it was strange that it didn't kick into charging mode
while using the PA . It definitely lost some battery power .
But then , the other Chap @Pipes , said it may take about 6
sessions to trip the sensor ... more testing

I was also able to use PA mode with the newer model Solo. The PA is an 8.5 volt 5.65 Amp Sony power supply(one of the original "factory" PS2 power supplies).
If simply plugged in and left alone the Solo goes into the charge cycle(green charge light flashes). But if you set the temperature right after the power level is displayed, the charge cycle does not engage(red heat light flashes).

I also tried a 9.5V 1.5 A power supply: no dice; it immediately went into charge mode. My 9V battery pack also went right to charge mode.

So the Amperage may be the key to using true PA mode, as well as the voltage; along with setting the Solo to heat mode before the charge circuit kicks in. So I guess we still have true PA function after all.

wilvape · May 10, 2014

OF said:
Again, unless your Solo is different from mine, that's not the bottom line. In fact it's not really happening. I say this because I've actually measured it. Consider, please, it will run with no battery at all, how does this square with needing a battery to run "lights and timer when in PA mode"?

OF

Edit: Here's a post from the past you might find interesting?
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo.3833/page-735#post-451422

Disagree totally, it will "only" run if the battery is removed , if it was running only on PA it wouldn't care if the battery was dead, be like boosting a car with a completely dead battery, it's only a power source, your changing circuit by removing battery. Even the timer on both solo's work non stop with PA as does my buddies , we may have the only 3. Maybe some others can try this simple test with their PA, time length of session without PA, ours always run 12min , now plug your PA in , set temp do a full session, leave it plugged in and wait 5min, set temp for another session and see if it goes for 12min (as it should) Mine will all run only 7 minutes every time. I'd like others to try to see results. My batteries wear at least twice as fast with PA left plugged in as opposed to unplugging it after each session.

Will

Quetzalcoatl · May 10, 2014

At one point last week, in between my PA and portable use of the Solo, I noted a drop in battery level from 3 to 2. I have the (stoner) habit of forgetting to unplug my Solo from the PA sometimes so it sits there for a few cycles cooling off. I'm not sure if the drop from 3 to 2 was a result of constant PA use or just the battery being at that "barely 3" threshold and then naturally lost enough charge to drop down to 2.

wilvape said:
Maybe some others can try this simple test with their PA, time length of session without PA, ours always run 12min , now plug your PA in , set temp do a full session, leave it plugged in and wait 5min, set temp for another session and see if it goes for 12min (as it should) Mine will all run only 7 minutes every time. I'd like others to try to see results. My batteries wear at least twice as fast with PA left plugged in as opposed to unplugging it after each session.

Will

If I'm reading this right, you're advising:

1. Run a full 12 minute session. This triggers a new cycle/session at the end.
2. Leave it for 5 minutes in the second session. This means you now only have 7 minutes on the session due to not doing anything with it for the first 5.
3. Select a different temperature and use it. You only get 7 minutes because you spent the first 5 not doing anything.
4. Start of the third power cycle is triggered at the end of the limited 7 minute session.
5. You now start with another 12 minute session.

Changing the temperature mid-cycle DOES NOT restart the cycle. I've run into this "problem" before. As noted above, I sometimes forget to unplug the Solo from the PA when done, but at that point it's already X minutes into the cycle/session. Sometimes I'll pick it up, set it to my power level, and if it's close enough to the end of the cycle, I get 1 or 2 pulls before I get nothing, with the Solo sitting at the 1 indicator (cooled down enough to be under the temp for 2, but still high enough to be in the temp range for 1.). Holding the right button down for a bit goes back to the last selected temp and I get another 12 minute cycle.

Again, I have changed temperatures while using it portable mid-session (as I usually go from 2-4 incrementally per load when using it dry), and it doesn't matter if I boost the power at the 10 minute mark, it will stop at the end of the 12 minute cycle.

I have not noticed any battery wear with the PA aside from the one instance I mentioned at the beginning of the post. I am using an "old" Solo which does not support "charge and use" and I only get to use it via battery or PA.

wilvape · May 10, 2014

Quetzalcoatl said:
At one point last week, in between my PA and portable use of the Solo, I noted a drop in battery level from 3 to 2. I have the (stoner) habit of forgetting to unplug my Solo from the PA sometimes so it sits there for a few cycles cooling off. I'm not sure if the drop from 3 to 2 was a result of constant PA use or just the battery being at that "barely 3" threshold and then naturally lost enough charge to drop down to 2.

If I'm reading this right, you're advising:

1. Run a full 12 minute session. This triggers a new cycle/session at the end.
2. Leave it for 5 minutes in the second session. This means you now only have 7 minutes on the session due to not doing anything with it for the first 5.
3. Select a different temperature and use it. You only get 7 minutes because you spent the first 5 not doing anything.
4. Start of the third power cycle is triggered at the end of the limited 7 minute session.
5. You now start with another 12 minute session.

Changing the temperature mid-cycle DOES NOT restart the cycle. I've run into this "problem" before. As noted above, I sometimes forget to unplug the Solo from the PA when done, but at that point it's already X minutes into the cycle/session. Sometimes I'll pick it up, set it to my power level, and if it's close enough to the end of the cycle, I get 1 or 2 pulls before I get nothing, with the Solo sitting at the 1 indicator (cooled down enough to be under the temp for 2, but still high enough to be in the temp range for 1.). Holding the right button down for a bit goes back to the last selected temp and I get another 12 minute cycle.

Again, I have changed temperatures while using it portable mid-session (as I usually go from 2-4 incrementally per load when using it dry), and it doesn't matter if I boost the power at the 10 minute mark, it will stop at the end of the 12 minute cycle.

I have not noticed any battery wear with the PA aside from the one instance I mentioned at the beginning of the post. I am using an "old" Solo which does not support "charge and use" and I only get to use it via battery or PA.

That's exactly what I meant only you explained it better. Yes changing temp during session doesn't do anything, I've done multiple tests and the battery is being used up by being plugged in. The timer and lights never shut in PA mode, when I used to leave mine plugged in, I'd make sure I plugged it in on the hour or at either 12 24 36 48 minute so when I was going to do a session I would look at the time and I'd make sure I had at least 8 minutes left in that cycle.

Will

OF · May 10, 2014

wilvape said:
Disagree totally,

Fine by me, believe as you wish, got anything to back it up with? I just quoted you a set of tests that show:
a) the current drawn from the battery in PA mode depends on the PA voltage
b) the unit will boot up and run with no battery

IMO the first shows that the battery is not 'running the lights and control' in a simple manner since the lights and control don't change with PA voltage.

The second shows that the battery is not even necessary but yet somehow the lights and control still happen, if not from PA power..........

wilvape said:
now plug your PA in , set temp do a full session, leave it plugged in and wait 5min, set temp for another session and see if it goes for 12min (as it should) Mine will all run only 7 minutes every time.

You do understand that five plus 7 is 12, right? I would hope everyone gets the same result her as you do.

Yes, leaving the PA plugged in (and therefore an 'awake' Solo in standby) is probably going to use battery power. That's how it's designed I believe.

OF

ataxian · May 10, 2014

OF said:
Fine by me, believe as you wish, got anything to back it up with? I just quoted you a set of tests that show:
a) the current drawn from the battery in PA mode depends on the PA voltage
b) the unit will boot up and run with no battery

IMO the first shows that the battery is not 'running the lights and control' in a simple manner since the lights and control don't change with PA voltage.

The second shows that the battery is not even necessary but yet somehow the lights and control still happen, if not from PA power..........

You do understand that five plus 7 is 12, right? I would hope everyone gets the same result her as you do.

Yes, leaving the PA plugged in (and therefore an 'awake' Solo in standby) is probably going to use battery power. That's how it's designed I believe.

OF

I had three SOLO's that all worked well.
@olivianewtonjohn said it was strange to have 3.
So I sold 2.
Now I have 1.
The cool thing is the SOLO is cheap and some new features have been included.
I want to buy the new model however the one I have is working fine.
Is something wrong with it that I don't know about?

wilvape · May 10, 2014

OF said:
Fine by me, believe as you wish, got anything to back it up with? I just quoted you a set of tests that show:
a) the current drawn from the battery in PA mode depends on the PA voltage
b) the unit will boot up and run with no battery

IMO the first shows that the battery is not 'running the lights and control' in a simple manner since the lights and control don't change with PA voltage.

The second shows that the battery is not even necessary but yet somehow the lights and control still happen, if not from PA power..........

You do understand that five plus 7 is 12, right? I would hope everyone gets the same result her as you do.

Yes, leaving the PA plugged in (and therefore an 'awake' Solo in standby) is probably going to use battery power. That's how it's designed I believe.

OF

I wish I could show you a vid of my solo, I can actually unplug and the lights will stay running with no power cord because they were never running on the PA which is also why you need a charge in battery for it to work because that's what runs the timer and lights not the PA.

Oh thanks for confirming the math, you seem to be real good at it with all your fancy figures!

Leaving the PA plugged in wears the battery because it's running timer and lights, and that's what I believe.

Will

OF · May 10, 2014

wilvape said:
I wish I could show you a vid of my solo, I can actually unplug and the lights will stay running with no power cord because they were never running on the PA which is also why you need a charge in battery for it to work because that's what runs the timer and lights not the PA.

This (continuing on for a while after the plug is pulled in PA mode) has been noted and discussed before. IMO it's just another piece of evidence against your idea. The battery is still there, right? Why does it go out eventually then?

I think the answer is there is only one power source inside the Solo. Both the processor (and LEDs) and the heater use it. Normally, both battery and PA contribute to that source in a manner that seems determined by their relative voltages. There is no clean cut 'battery supplies all the power for the processor and display' in play. In fact, when there is no battery at all, the processor still works with the PA supplying all the power.

Again, the battery current varies with the PA voltage, I can see only one explanation for that, do you see another? The lights get no brighter, and I seriously doubt the processor does more just because the PA voltage goes down.

As I said, I initially made the same guess but the evidence from experiments didn't support that. IMO reality beats conjecture so I'm going with what I see rather then imagine.

OF

PlanetHaze · May 11, 2014

olivianewtonjohn said:
I might place an order for a gong, should be an interesting test to see if im forever banned from ordering a gong from planetvape or maybe they will start acting more professional? Who knows. All the posts about their great service is cool but I have a very differing experience and opinion.

For those interested:
-Ordered a PVHE gong, noticed it was loose near where the o-ring would make contact; would fall out if inverted and would rattle if I shook it.
-I let them know, they told me to use the o-ring (even though I already explained I was using the o-ring)
-After almost a month of back and forth and then them going on vacation I send it in
-They received it and tell me they cant figure out what the problem was, im shocked TBH
-Offer me replacement or refund, I opt for refund for now
-I think like a month went by and I ordered a new PVHE, it gets canceled and they say its because of my "negative posts" on this site. I challenge anyone to find "negative" posts; everything I posted was how I was being treated and/or fitment issues. I never once deviated from being polite and respectful (using "Thank you" and all the polite stuff in my emails)

For context, with the o-ring in I would grab my other stems and they all fit snuggly then without touching the cap or oring I would switch back to the PVHE gong and it would be loose. Also in between them asking if I wanted a replacement/refund and me reordering (and getting canceled) I dont believe I even posted about PV so kind of weird how their decision just randomly changed.

EDIT: Looking back at the situation I think I should have just lived with the loose stem. It was still functional just annoying. It caused me alot of wasted time and was just an annoying situation to deal with. When I had the issue, I thought I will just tell PV whats happening they have great customer service; now I know to just shut my mouth and move on next time.

Good ol olivianewtonjohn at it again, this is getting old! We have never responded to all your false accusations and IMOs etc. but eventually we need to represent the truth.
We didn't cut you off because of "negative posts" on this site, you were cut off for being incompetent, allow us to tell the truth please.
For those interested:
- olivianewtonjohn's claim was that the GonG was so small that the o-ring would not make contact with it see: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo.3833/page-670#post-424623
"that's what I'm saying the o-ring does not make contact with the stem. I know loose stems are common I'm saying I have never heard of a stem that's so loose the o-ring does not make contact. It is not a seal issue but the actual stem that is abnormally loose to the point where an o-ring does nothing."

We put the o-ring on every GonG sold that includes one, it would be pretty obvious if the GonG was so small that the o-ring would not stay on, have yet to see a single stem / GonG that is so small that the o-ring doesn't touch.

- of coarse we had never heard of this, unable to provide pictures or a video, we asked olivianewtonjohn to kindly return the GonG for inspection.

- once received, the o-ring fit so tight it was actually difficult to remove from the GonG, we don't get what is wrong with it after testing in several different model Solos. As further "testing" we sold the exact GonG to a known FC member (with their full understanding of the issue reported by olivianewtonjohn), it worked perfect for them too and unfortunately they would not post about it due to fear of reprisal by olivianewtonjohn (we provided links from FC from olivianewtonjohn's posts about the GonG issue).

- only conclusion possible is olivianewtonjohn was using it wrong even after trying to help initially, olivianewtonjohn just insisted that the o-ring didn't even make contact... well yeah maybe when you are using it like this:

Don’t attack products or companies. You can post your opinion, and you can criticize, but posts written to offend are not allowed.
- Please do not revisit an issue unless you have helpful information or constructive comments to add.
- Use of the forum to blackmail companies will not be tolerated.
- Posts in this regard will be evaluated based on perceived intent.

Sorry to derail the thread, but no olivianewtonjohn , we won't be blackmailed by your reprisal of negative posts, sorry.
PV

olivianewtonjohn · May 11, 2014

PlanetVape said:
Good ol olivianewtonjohn at it again, this is getting old! We have never responded to all your false accusations and IMOs etc. but eventually we need to represent the truth.
We didn't cut you off because of "negative posts" on this site, you were cut off for being incompetent, allow us to tell the truth please.

Proving my statements right about being treated poorly by you guys......And if you didnt ban me for "negative posts" then thats fine, those were your words in the email you sent me. Maybe im just to incompetent to read your email?

For those interested:
- olivianewtonjohn's claim was that the GonG was so small that the o-ring would not make contact with it see: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo.3833/page-670#post-424623
"that's what I'm saying the o-ring does not make contact with the stem. I know loose stems are common I'm saying I have never heard of a stem that's so loose the o-ring does not make contact. It is not a seal issue but the actual stem that is abnormally loose to the point where an o-ring does nothing."

We put the o-ring on every GonG sold that includes one, it would be pretty obvious if the GonG was so small that the o-ring would not stay on, have yet to see a single stem / GonG that is so small that the o-ring doesn't touch.

- of coarse we had never heard of this, unable to provide pictures or a video, we asked olivianewtonjohn to kindly return the GonG for inspection. Not true, you never asked me to take a picture or video, please dont put words in my mouth. I didnt think this would have been such a big deal since the issue was obvious and you guys do have a great reputation. Looking back I wish I had taken a video.

- once received, the o-ring fit so tight it was actually difficult to remove from the GonG, we don't get what is wrong with it after testing in several different model Solos. As further "testing" we sold the exact GonG to a known FC member (with their full understanding of the issue reported by olivianewtonjohn), it worked perfect for them too and unfortunately they would not post about it due to fear of reprisal by olivianewtonjohn (we provided links from FC from olivianewtonjohn's posts about the GonG issue).

- only conclusion possible is olivianewtonjohn was using it wrong even after trying to help initially, olivianewtonjohn just insisted that the o-ring didn't even make contact... well yeah maybe when you are using it like this:

Let me start of by saying I have been using an o-ring longer than you have had them on your website. Your welcome to dig through this thread and find the posts. I started off using a #113 facet ring from homedepot. I believe it was @OF who steered me correctly and I ended up with a #113 high temp ring (same thing PV includes).

Please go through my posts in this thread, I have over 600 posts and most are in this thread. I have been reading for hundreds of pages. I have helped many people and you accuse me of not being able to use the o-ring? How about asking if thats what I did? Like I said without changing anything I swapped the GonG to my stock stem and PHVE straight stem and it fit snugly, was loose with only the GonG. In addition I also tried multiple high temp #113 o-rings to see if there was some variance again was loose with your GonG but was tight with all other stems that I tried. If your theory is correct this wouldnt have worked. Fail picture very much appreciated though .

- we cancelled olivianewtonjohn's order for yet another GonG because why send another perfect GonG if the original returned one was perfect, we had already refunded olivianewtonjohn including shipping at our expense, why sell the exact same item and expect a different result?
olivianewtonjohn says above "I challenge anyone to find "negative" posts (about PV)" well here are just a few from a simple search of your posts only in the Solo thread, there are lots more in other threads:

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo.3833/page-1034#post-579155

I thought this forum was so we can talk about experiences both good and bad? Maybe your definition of "negative" posts is different than mine. I did in fact order the GonG from you? Its not like I was posting about a company I havent dealt with. I have dealt with you and do feel like I was treated poorly, your above reply with name calling, assuming I dont know how to use an o-ring rather than asking me, are all great examples.

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo.3833/page-959#post-548012

^No clue whats negative about this?

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo.3833/page-945#post-541618

^No clue whats negative about this?

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo.3833/page-853#post-499494

Again whats negative about this? He wanted to return a non-defective item to you guys for the newer one; I gave my opinion. If you guys commonly swap non-defective solos for other non-defective solos then I was wrong. He was welcome to follow my advice or email you guys. Dont see the issue here but ok.....

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo.3833/page-840#post-495662

Wouldnt call this negative. Just factual and my experience. I have had a great experience with PIU as stated, I have had a horrible experience with your company as stated.

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo.3833/page-832#post-491901

Looks like I was trying to help someone who asked about the differences from your stems. Please highlight the negative posts.

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo.3833/page-802#post-478365

Again told the guy my opinion.

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo.3833/page-670#post-424623

This is after my initial report of the problem. @OF said to use an o-ring. I replied letting everyone know I was already using one. Again how is this a negative post?

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo.3833/page-670#post-424384

Asking for advice on wobbly stem. Sharing experience. Not seeing the negativity.

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo.3833/page-665#post-423051

I think this was the day I received the stem. The guy posted about his stem falling out, I experience the same looseness and was seeing if there was a change. How is this negative?

FC has rules, one being:

Don’t attack products or companies. You can post your opinion, and you can criticize, but posts written to offend are not allowed.

Please do not revisit an issue unless you have helpful information or constructive comments to add.

Use of the forum to blackmail companies will not be tolerated.

Posts in this regard will be evaluated based on perceived intent.

Sorry to derail the thread, but no olivianewtonjohn , we won't be blackmailed by your reprisal of negative posts, sorry.
PV

How is stating my experience "attacking your products or companies"? Please explain your logic would be great. Your attitude is not appreciated and calling me incompetent is also not appreciated. I think you forgot the beginning of that rule you posted. I will post it here since I think its relevant:
"Be Nice

All members must be treated in a respectful and adult manner. All members should respect and adhere to the promotion of harmony within the community. Do not attempt to disrupt the community in any way."

First I want to say this will be my last response on the issue. If anyone wants to keep this discussion going please PM me. Dont want to break any rules so im going to state my beef and move on. Replies in blue above. Wanted to post the full story since enough time has gone by so im not as annoyed about it anymore. I like PV's products but am shocked by the way I have been treated by them. I have been nothing but polite and clear headed. I still dont see where you decided to go from replacement/refund to banning me from ordering. You already had my stem when you offered to refund/replace, if I was incompetent then why didnt you ban me then? If you want to ban everyone from my area from ordering please do; not sure what this accomplishes other than to me to order from a friend. Says alot about your products that im still willing to order after getting hasty replies (where you told me to use an o-ring after I had already told you I was using it), got attitude in your PV thread:

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/p...-vapes-on-the-planet.4404/page-58#post-425445

had poor communication:

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/p...-vapes-on-the-planet.4404/page-60#post-434296

And again you post with attitude.

Wanted to tag @PlanetVape since I have made some edits and I want them to read it.

Just read our whole email exchange and I welcome @PlanetVape to post any and all emails from me, as long as you dont post anything out of context or post my name I am fine with it. Please show me where I was anything but courteous to you? Even after how I have been treated I have not been rude to you.

Propaganja · May 11, 2014

To be honest, I just started vaping over a month plus and the solo was my first machine, seeing the planetvape gongs and f bomb I knew it was gonna be amazing. Was hard getting the gong, but when I found them downtown thc toronto (last 2 they found in a mixed cubby luckily 14mm reg.) it was an instant buy because I knew it was so hard to get. Surprisingly after unravelling the bubble wrap, I was glad to find an o ring attached onto the gong, tight fit. Too keep things short, I'm glad PV includes it, will prolly need it one day, but for now I don't even use it and my gong is tight Enough, it might move slightly here and there, but no complaints, just so grateful they have such a (great product (gong + f bomb or any bubbler). Still trying to get me a 18mm gong and the 14mm shorty regular gong and stem lol

OF · May 11, 2014

Propaganja said:
Too keep things short, I'm glad PV includes it, will prolly need it one day, but for now I don't even use it and my gong is tight Enough

Kudos to you on that decision. I think entirely too many guys put a ring in with no goal in mind past 'I read it on the web'......

If it was a good idea in all cases, Arizer would no doubt put one in at the factory don't you think? No question about it, the ring lowers air flow (unless you do something like the notches I cut to prevent this), and more air flow is the reason guys want PVHES, right? And see the larger holes in the new version as a good thing? Unless it's to fix another problem (like an annoyingly loose stem) that reason alone speaks against flinging in one at the first opportunity.

Congratulations on several fronts. Picking the Solo, sticking it out to find a GonG and questioning the ring's advantages to your conditions come to mind. You've obviously got a sound mind and are using it to great personal advantage, I've no doubt you'll find the next pieces you want on your journey.

BTW, you might also consider the PWT. I think it's every bit as useful as the F-Bomb. Then again, I also like 'the Infamous Bubbler'........so what do I know?

Regards,

OF

Propaganja · May 11, 2014

OF said:
BTW, you might also consider the PWT. I think it's every bit as useful as the F-Bomb. Then again, I also like 'the Infamous Bubbler'........so what do I know?

Regards,

OF

Definitely considered the pnwt, just hard to find for the 69.99 price here in canada. I like that the pnwt is a little shorter, definitely considering the pinnacle pro dlx as a second vape, but lots of issues ive read in the other thread. Which other portable do u think can match up against the solo?

olivianewtonjohn · May 11, 2014

Propaganja said:
To be honest, I just started vaping over a month plus and the solo was my first machine, seeing the planetvape gongs and f bomb I knew it was gonna be amazing. Was hard getting the gong, but when I found them downtown thc toronto (last 2 they found in a mixed cubby luckily 14mm reg.) it was an instant buy because I knew it was so hard to get. Surprisingly after unravelling the bubble wrap, I was glad to find an o ring attached onto the gong, tight fit. Too keep things short, I'm glad PV includes it, will prolly need it one day, but for now I don't even use it and my gong is tight Enough, it might move slightly here and there, but no complaints, just so grateful they have such a (great product (gong + f bomb or any bubbler). Still trying to get me a 18mm gong and the 14mm shorty regular gong and stem lol

Not sure if your aware you could also check out a 18mm to 14mm reducer; might get you by till you get more gongs:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nobilis-18m...LAB-GLASS-Converts-18mm-to-14mm-/121148096066

Great water pipe ideas in this thread. I have the d020 and really enjoy it with the solo (great form factor; can leave the solo on top of the bubbler, low resistance, good compromise between diffusion and flavor):

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/cheap-high-quality-bubbler.5255/

EDIT: Found a post by @ataxian showing the d020 with the solo:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/cheap-high-quality-bubbler.5255/page-223#post-587237

pakalolo · May 11, 2014

olivianewtonjohn said:
Just read our whole email exchange and I welcome @PlanetVape to post any and all emails from me, as long as you dont post anything out of context or post my name I am fine with it. Please show me where I was anything but courteous to you? Even after how I have been treated I have not been rude to you.

You started your post saying that it would be your last on this issue, yet you invite another round. That's not happening. There will be no posting of emails here or in any other thread. This is not the place for you and @PlanetVape to rehash what is clearly an old dispute. Please stick to your resolution and don't bring this up again. You are already on thin ice with our rule against revisiting an issue.

wilvape · May 11, 2014

OF said:
Fine by me, believe as you wish, got anything to back it up with? I just quoted you a set of tests that show:
a) the current drawn from the battery in PA mode depends on the PA voltage
b) the unit will boot up and run with no battery

IMO the first shows that the battery is not 'running the lights and control' in a simple manner since the lights and control don't change with PA voltage.

The second shows that the battery is not even necessary but yet somehow the lights and control still happen, if not from PA power..........

You do understand that five plus 7 is 12, right? I would hope everyone gets the same result her as you do.

Yes, leaving the PA plugged in (and therefore an 'awake' Solo in standby) is probably going to use battery power. That's how it's designed I believe.

OF

You accuse me of not providing any thing to back this up! I provide a couple of tests to perform , the one that i say to count # of sessions which will take a few days depending on how often you vape and you come back with one your "YOUR" old cut & pastes that you consider to be gospel in just a few minutes with nothing but a few numbers that don't explain battery drain in only a few minutes??
I have been reading this thread every day for a couple years, don't post much , but like to learn, i don't want to get into pissing match but come on! I've mentioned these things as well as others hundreds of pages ago and you don't regard what is being said and come back with one of your misinformed cut& pastes.
Like the o-ring deal, great idea, works awesome! The idea that it needs to be high temp is totally unfounded and not researched at all. I've worked in the industrial industry for years , did a lot of seal work and design. You would need a high temp o-ring if it was going in the stem because that is the only spot that reaches those temps. Here is a test for you, get yourself a digital temperature gun, heat solo up to the highest temp 7 , when it is up to temp have the gun ready, now pull out stem a hit with heat gun, this can be done in a split second, in that split second your going find that those stems will drop a couple hundred degrees in that time!
I do believe your health concerns were real but have no merit , I actually have a drawer full of high temps for planet vape buying Gong's that i don't use because regular o-rings are available anywhere and sizes better suited i run 14 x2 rings, they also have a softer durometer ( rubber hardness). Planet vape only supplies high temp o-rings because they also read this forum. If Ariser was going to put a seal in you can bet that they would use only what was necessary after doing some "Actual" research! And it wouldn't be high temp.
May I suggest that you spend less time cutting & paste and more time doing actual research that may help others rather than misinforming members with your unfounded beliefs. I used to read all your post's for the first couple months thinking you actually did research and knew what your talking about but I soon found out there's a lot of holes in your theories that you stand behind and everyone else is wrong??

Will

poonman · May 11, 2014

Happy Mother's Day Everyone

OF · May 11, 2014

wilvape said:
May I suggest that you spend less time cutting & paste and more time doing actual research that may help others rather than misinforming members with your unfounded beliefs. I used to read all your post's for the first couple months thinking you actually did research and knew what your talking about but I soon found out there's a lot of holes in your theories that you stand behind and everyone else is wrong??

Can you please point to this "cut and paste"? TIA, I can't find what you're talking about. I referred you to a prior post with some data I think might help understand my thinking. You'll note the testing done was done by me then? I actually "did that research", that is I actually ran the experiments I described (and some others repeated them, BTW.....).

I'm not lying, I actually do the research I claim, urge others to repeat it and stand ready to defend my findings. As I think science demands. Point to the holes, please, if I'm in error I want to know that. Otherwise, we're talking strawman here?

Everyone else is not wrong, in fact I dare say most agree with me (perhaps because I do back it up with experiments?), in this case I think you're mistaken (big difference to a point).

If you're experienced with Pyrometers you know reading glass temperatures with one is not accurate. What do you get when you 'shoot' the bowl bottom (the one you 'know' is about 400F)? We've discussed this (emissivity issues) before, but I guess as a long term reader of the thread you know that too? Using high temperature rings is safe, lesser grades are questionable, 'hardware store' rings (like the casual reader might go buy unless cautioned otherwise) are seriously questionable IMO. What grade to you guarantee they are? People need to get advice they can trust. If that includes 'safety above question' so much the better, IMO.

OF

CarolKing · May 11, 2014

I've been putting the new Solo through the paces. A couple of volunteers helped out in the name of science. I was able to get 2 hours of battery life. The same as my returned newer model Solo.

Most of the time the heat level started on 3 and worked up to 5. A lot depends on the length of the draw and how many, so results could fluctuate. Some folks can take massive draws and others can't. I think we are looking for an average here. It depends too if they are back to back sessions. That's hard to do because the Solo keeps putting out, thanks to my volunteers. :rockon:

I would say half were back to back sessions.

I've been using the stock stems with plenty of air flow. The battery light had one light on after 10 sessions of use (2hours) and it took 90 min to charge up to 7 with the green light still blinking.

I am very happy with my replacement Solo. My Solo will be stylin with the new black Wong, Ed added a turquoise trim, it beautiful. I will take pictures when I get it. Look on Eds thread, he has a picture.

I also like the Pinnacle Pro WT, I have a couple extra, that I bought when VB had a big sale. I would like to add a glass bubbler, I haven't done that yet. I don't know a lot about different glass pieces. I will study up on the cheap glass thread. I break things too easy to buy anything very expensive. All of the glass pieces I see all of you have makes me envious. Thanks for sharing all the pics. :tup:

pakalolo · May 11, 2014

OF said:
Fine by me, believe as you wish, got anything to back it up with? I just quoted you a set of tests that show:
a) the current drawn from the battery in PA mode depends on the PA voltage
b) the unit will boot up and run with no battery

IMO the first shows that the battery is not 'running the lights and control' in a simple manner since the lights and control don't change with PA voltage.

The second shows that the battery is not even necessary but yet somehow the lights and control still happen, if not from PA power..........

You do understand that five plus 7 is 12, right? I would hope everyone gets the same result her as you do.

Yes, leaving the PA plugged in (and therefore an 'awake' Solo in standby) is probably going to use battery power. That's how it's designed I believe.

OF

wilvape said:
You accuse me of not providing any thing to back this up! I provide a couple of tests to perform , the one that i say to count # of sessions which will take a few days depending on how often you vape and you come back with one your "YOUR" old cut & pastes that you consider to be gospel in just a few minutes with nothing but a few numbers that don't explain battery drain in only a few minutes??
I have been reading this thread every day for a couple years, don't post much , but like to learn, i don't want to get into pissing match but come on! I've mentioned these things as well as others hundreds of pages ago and you don't regard what is being said and come back with one of your misinformed cut& pastes.
Like the o-ring deal, great idea, works awesome! The idea that it needs to be high temp is totally unfounded and not researched at all. I've worked in the industrial industry for years , did a lot of seal work and design. You would need a high temp o-ring if it was going in the stem because that is the only spot that reaches those temps. Here is a test for you, get yourself a digital temperature gun, heat solo up to the highest temp 7 , when it is up to temp have the gun ready, now pull out stem a hit with heat gun, this can be done in a split second, in that split second your going find that those stems will drop a couple hundred degrees in that time!
I do believe your health concerns were real but have no merit , I actually have a drawer full of high temps for planet vape buying Gong's that i don't use because regular o-rings are available anywhere and sizes better suited i run 14 x2 rings, they also have a softer durometer ( rubber hardness). Planet vape only supplies high temp o-rings because they also read this forum. If Ariser was going to put a seal in you can bet that they would use only what was necessary after doing some "Actual" research! And it wouldn't be high temp.
May I suggest that you spend less time cutting & paste and more time doing actual research that may help others rather than misinforming members with your unfounded beliefs. I used to read all your post's for the first couple months thinking you actually did research and knew what your talking about but I soon found out there's a lot of holes in your theories that you stand behind and everyone else is wrong??

Will

OF said:
Can you please point to this "cut and paste"? TIA, I can't find what you're talking about. I referred you to a prior post with some data I think might help understand my thinking. You'll note the testing done was done by me then? I actually "did that research", that is I actually ran the experiments I described (and some others repeated them, BTW.....).

I'm not lying, I actually do the research I claim, urge others to repeat it and stand ready to defend my findings. As I think science demands. Point to the holes, please, if I'm in error I want to know that. Otherwise, we're talking strawman here?

Everyone else is not wrong, in fact I dare say most agree with me (perhaps because I do back it up with experiments?), in this case I think you're mistaken (big difference to a point).

If you're experienced with Pyrometers you know reading glass temperatures with one is not accurate. What do you get when you 'shoot' the bowl bottom (the one you 'know' is about 400F)? We've discussed this (emissivity issues) before, but I guess as a long term reader of the thread you know that too? Using high temperature rings is safe, lesser grades are questionable, 'hardware store' rings (like the casual reader might go buy unless cautioned otherwise) are seriously questionable IMO. What grade to you guarantee they are? People need to get advice they can trust. If that includes 'safety above question' so much the better, IMO.

OF

OF, your tone is condescending. wilvape, yours is belligerent. Neither of you is advancing the discussion but you are both on thin ice with our "Be nice" rule. If you two want to continue to debate this point, please take it to PMs.

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