Arizer Solo

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OF said:
No, again, the charger does not supply enough power to run the heater alone. It will 'crash'.
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Were not talking charger? PA running the heater is what was being talked about and battery being used up while in PA mode.
I'm saying while in PA the lights and 12min timer are run off the battery and the PA only runs the heater. You said that you can unplug battery and run in PA mode, I said this opens the circuit which allows this to happen, for example if you let the battery go dead and didn't unplug the battery the PA would not work! By unplugging you've rerouted the electrical circuit allowing the PA to run the lights and timer.
I've done numerous battery killing tests and yes as long as the PA is plugged in the battery is what is running timer and lights and even when your not heating your using battery up, bottom line!

Will
 
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So after lots of searching and reading throughout this thread I still couldn't find my answer so I figured I'd ask. Just to give an update and a bit of background info, I was the guy that tried vaping for the first time a little over 2 months ago. In fact, I had never tried smoking in any shape or form.

In the past 2 months or so I've used the solo probably 5-7 times and my wife a bit more than that (she's into it much more than I am) and things have gone pretty well except for one thing. It makes me cough! Its not horrible by any means but thought maybe there was a way to fix it. My wife has the same experience and we both would like to enhance the experience by purchasing one of those water bongs.. (bubbler?).

After some research I came across the D020 bubbler but I have a few questions. Keep in mind that vaping is really not something I care to do on a regular basis, but maybe a couple times a month or so.. therefore, I wouldn't want to spend a lot of money on some type of device.

Is the D020 for two people to use at once or will it constantly have to be refilled (I ask because it looks tiny)
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I see that it comes with a bunch of other stuff that I don't know about. Is everything that comes in the package everything that I need? I read a ton of posts of people buying adapters, gongs, etc.... Will anything like that be needed?

Here is the link to the one I'm talking about: http://www.dhgate.com/product/d020-...e-perc-water/175832535.html#s1-1-1|2133860096

Is there something better out there? Easier? Close to the same price???

Please pardon my ignorance but extremely new to this. I'd appreciate any advice from you guys. Thanks!
 
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Kobra13 said:
So after lots of searching and reading throughout this thread I still couldn't find my answer so I figured I'd ask. Just to give an update and a bit of background info, I was the guy that tried vaping for the first time a little over 2 months ago. In fact, I had never tried smoking in any shape or form.

In the past 2 months or so I've used the solo probably 5-7 times and my wife a bit more than that (she's into it much more than I am) and things have gone pretty well except for one thing. It makes me cough! Its not horrible by any means but thought maybe there was a way to fix it. My wife has the same experience and we both would like to enhance the experience by purchasing one of those water bongs.. (bubbler?).

After some research I came across the D020 bubbler but I have a few questions. Keep in mind that vaping is really not something I care to do on a regular basis, but maybe a couple times a month or so.. therefore, I wouldn't want to spend a lot of money on some type of device.

Is the D020 for two people to use at once or will it constantly have to be refilled (I ask because it looks tiny)
?
I see that it comes with a bunch of other stuff that I don't know about. Is everything that comes in the package everything that I need? I read a ton of posts of people buying adapters, gongs, etc.... Will anything like that be needed?

Here is the link to the one I'm talking about: http://www.dhgate.com/product/d020-...e-perc-water/175832535.html#s1-1-1|2133860096

Is there something better out there? Easier? Close to the same price???

Please pardon my ignorance but extremely new to this. I'd appreciate any advice from you guys. Thanks!
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In my opinion you shouldn't cough when you don't use it on higher levels like let's say 5-7. I mean I just used it a few times till now but at the lower levels it's very smooth, just not as much fun because using up the material takes longer and the clouds are thinner...
 
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ILoveVaping33 said:
In my opinion you shouldn't cough when you don't use it on higher levels like let's say 5-7. I mean I just used it a few times till now but at the lower levels it's very smooth, just not as much fun because using up the material takes longer and the clouds are thinner...
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Well, I'm using it at level 3-4 and again, the cough isn't that bad.. I just keep a glass of cold ice water next to me and its fine. I just keep hearing how much people "love" using the water things so I figured maybe that would give me a better experience and perhaps enjoy it more?

My wife on the other hand definately coughs more than I do, maybe 2-3 good coughs after each hit. Being so new to this I can really only rely on you guys so if you think getting a water thing isn't going to really enhance the experience (from any point of view) then I'll just keep doing what I"m doing. Thanks
 
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Kobra13 said:
So after lots of searching and reading throughout this thread I still couldn't find my answer so I figured I'd ask. Just to give an update and a bit of background info, I was the guy that tried vaping for the first time a little over 2 months ago. In fact, I had never tried smoking in any shape or form.

In the past 2 months or so I've used the solo probably 5-7 times and my wife a bit more than that (she's into it much more than I am) and things have gone pretty well except for one thing. It makes me cough! Its not horrible by any means but thought maybe there was a way to fix it. My wife has the same experience and we both would like to enhance the experience by purchasing one of those water bongs.. (bubbler?).

After some research I came across the D020 bubbler but I have a few questions. Keep in mind that vaping is really not something I care to do on a regular basis, but maybe a couple times a month or so.. therefore, I wouldn't want to spend a lot of money on some type of device.

Is the D020 for two people to use at once or will it constantly have to be refilled (I ask because it looks tiny)
?
I see that it comes with a bunch of other stuff that I don't know about. Is everything that comes in the package everything that I need? I read a ton of posts of people buying adapters, gongs, etc.... Will anything like that be needed?

Here is the link to the one I'm talking about: http://www.dhgate.com/product/d020-...e-perc-water/175832535.html#s1-1-1|2133860096

Is there something better out there? Easier? Close to the same price???

Please pardon my ignorance but extremely new to this. I'd appreciate any advice from you guys. Thanks!
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Yes, you would need an 18mm gong.
http://www.planetvape.ca/pvhegong-high-efficiency-gong.html
Solo through water takes it to a whole new level.
 
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I believe he is saying that he charnged it till the LED lit up and was SOLID green.
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Could be, but I take "after unboxing it I tested it right away until the charge LED lid up" to be using it, not charging? If he'd said '......I charged it right away until....' I'd agree with you. But to me he'd be testing the vaporizing (heating) not charging?

ILoveVaping33 said:
Ahh damn.. well too late but I think this is something that should be mentioned in the manual...
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Agreed, not I think that many actually read manuals? Still it's done, time to move on?
cawshook said:
How is arizer's warranty service?
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Aces it seems. The cynical might answer, 'their warranty service is getting quite a work out these days....or at least seems to be'??

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OF said:
Could be, but I take "after unboxing it I tested it right away until the charge LED lid up" to be using it, not charging? If he'd said '......I charged it right away until....' I'd agree with you. But to me he'd be testing the vaporizing (heating) not charging?



Agreed, not I think that many actually read manuals? Still it's done, time to move on?


Aces it seems. The cynical might answer, 'their warranty service is getting quite a work out these days....or at least seems to be'??

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I unboxed it, used it until the red charge light turned on, charged it, used it once while charging it and now i am continuing to charge it and wonder why it should be charged 8 hours the first time when it's done charging after 4 hours already :-)
 
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So I want to do this right now... It charged pretty quick and now it's at 7 while the charging light is still blinking... I understand the green charging light should be solid the first time I am charging it and still blinking after that, before i remove the charging device. Is it fully done charging and safe to use when it stops blinking? Or should i keep it on the charging device for 8 hours?
 
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What I really don't understand is why such cheap plastic buttons are used. Sure it does the job but it's really like one of the first things i noticed and I just don't understand why Arizer doesn't care about that. I guess after they constructed it, they must have checked out what they just produced and then didn't care that the buttons feel like they where for some cheap Chinese device - while the rest feels solid and well made?
 
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ILoveVaping33 said:
I unboxed it, used it until the red charge light turned on, charged it, used it once while charging it and now i am continuing to charge it and wonder why it should be charged 8 hours the first time when it's done charging after 4 hours already :-)
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Because it's not really done, all that's happened is the light has changed.

The advice stands. I think you'll find it's nearly universal. In fact some devices (like some cell phones) depend on it to calibrate the 'battery meter' function.

Not fully charging before discharging the first can permanently 'wall off' part of the capacity of the battery, denying future access to the chemicals that would give a deeper charge.

It's one of those 'chicken soup' things. You know, "can't hurt, might help"?

ILoveVaping33 said:
I understand the green charging light should be solid the first time I am charging it and still blinking after that, before i remove the charging device.
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No. It should be charged 'overnight' (ignore the charge LED, use a clock.....) the first time. After that, IMO you should stop before it goes solid.

Hey, I get it you don't want to do this, cool, it's your unit. You asked advice, I've given it a few times now, along with the reasons why.

Do as you think best, it's yours after all.

Good luck, enjoy the Solo above all else?

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So, off line, I've been contacted by a tech savvy vape bud. He has a new model and a powerful enough supply to run the old units in PA mode. He also has a Thermocouple Temperature Meter. He confirms that the temperature steps on his two units (new and old style) were basically the same and that removing the battery prevents the new units from running with the charger alone. You get flashing lights as expected when the charger collapses when the power demand comes and there's no battery to share it with.

Now here's the fun part, it looks to him like if you pull the battery the original PA circuits are still there! And you can thus trick the unit into the old mode. That is the old PA will still run a brand new style Solo in true PA mode if you remove the battery. The supplied charger (with it's one Amp limit) won't, but the old PA rigs (with their 3 Amp potential) will under some conditions.

My take on this is two fold. First it confirms what I suspected was the case, the battery is being 'worked' in the new model when plugged in (it is necessary) as opposed to the 'true PA' (bypass) mode we had before. The battery is always being used to heat, a bit less when the charger is plugged in, but still being charged and discharged over and over.

Secondly it seems to offer another option when the battery gets weak in your new style Solo. You can remove it and convert to "PA only" until a replacement gets there......if you have a PA handy.

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OF said:
Because it's not really done, all that's happened is the light has changed.

The advice stands. I think you'll find it's nearly universal. In fact some devices (like some cell phones) depend on it to calibrate the 'battery meter' function.

Not fully charging before discharging the first can permanently 'wall off' part of the capacity of the battery, denying future access to the chemicals that would give a deeper charge.

It's one of those 'chicken soup' things. You know, "can't hurt, might help"?



No. It should be charged 'overnight' (ignore the charge LED, use a clock.....) the first time. After that, IMO you should stop before it goes solid.

Hey, I get it you don't want to do this, cool, it's your unit. You asked advice, I've given it a few times now, along with the reasons why.

Do as you think best, it's yours after all.

Good luck, enjoy the Solo above all else?

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So, off line, I've been contacted by a tech savvy vape bud. He has a new model and a powerful enough supply to run the old units in PA mode. He also has a Thermocouple Temperature Meter. He confirms that the temperature steps on his two units (new and old style) were basically the same and that removing the battery prevents the new units from running with the charger alone. You get flashing lights as expected when the charger collapses when the power demand comes and there's no battery to share it with.

Now here's the fun part, it looks to him like if you pull the battery the original PA circuits are still there! And you can thus trick the unit into the old mode. That is the old PA will still run a brand new style Solo in true PA mode if you remove the battery. The supplied charger (with it's one Amp limit) won't, but the old PA rigs (with their 3 Amp potential) will under some conditions.

My take on this is two fold. First it confirms what I suspected was the case, the battery is being 'worked' in the new model when plugged in (it is necessary) as opposed to the 'true PA' (bypass) mode we had before. The battery is always being used to heat, a bit less when the charger is plugged in, but still being charged and discharged over and over.

Secondly it seems to offer another option when the battery gets weak in your new style Solo. You can remove it and convert to "PA only" until a replacement gets there......if you have a PA handy.

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See, that's the problem, I want to do it right but what I want to do more is enjoying. And I really do, I like it much more than my Aromed. So with my next Solo I know what to do first...
 
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ILoveVaping33 said:
See, that's the problem, I want to do it right but what I want to do more is enjoying. And I really do, I like it much more than my Aromed. So with my next Solo I know what to do first...
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Yeah, that's the problem all right. Self restraint is very hard to come by in such cases, that's for sure. It's easy to rationalize, after the fact, that's it's only a few extra hours waiting in what will be hopefully a very long and happy relationship and all but that don't really feed the bulldog when it's right there.

Calling to you.

And you have the stash. Ground and ready.

Even if you have another perfectly fine vape right there to keep you company.......

Still, it is what it is. I'm sure you're new found friend will forgive you eventually, after you've fed it enough top shelf bud perhaps?

In the end, I think, "next time will be better" is still pretty darn good! Better, by far, than the alternative.

Best wishes.

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I am going to replace the battery pack in one of my Solos.

How are the batteries connected in their pack, and do they use protected or unprotected batteries? I have a pair of Panasonic 3200mAh unprotected but want to know before I put it together. And what kind of plug does it use to connect to the PCB.

I have not taken a Solo apart yet, but i've done stereo/cassette/turntable repair for 25 or so years so i am not scared of doing it. I know Centizen makes them but I don't want to pay what they cost to be shipped from Canada and I know i can do it myself either way ;)
 
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exit said:
I am going to replace the battery pack in one of my Solos.

How are the batteries connected in their pack, and do they use protected or unprotected batteries? I have a pair of Panasonic 3200mAh unprotected but want to know before I put it together. And what kind of plug does it use to connect to the PCB.
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Check out the two posts below, useful details and some photos there. FWIW, I think it's best to start with looking for batteries with tabs welded on (the ones intended to make packs), soldering to batteries is dangerous, it can lead to a battery failing (sometimes spectacularly) without warning later on......which is why the pros go to the extra expense of welding tabs on, and they are experts. There's a couple of sources of proper batteries in there as well.

See posts #20218 and #20513 (pages 809 and 821). I'm sorry, but for some reason I can't copy the links????

I also understand you can buy the factory packs from PIU, which I suggest looking into.

OF
 
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Contacted arizer yesterday. They responded today with the reset instructions, except its not resetting with the charger plugged in. Only without the charger. Still didnt fix my issue.
 
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ataxian

ataxian

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ILoveVaping33 said:
See, that's the problem, I want to do it right but what I want to do more is enjoying.
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ENJOY!
 
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OF said:
Now here's the fun part, it looks to him like if you pull the battery the original PA circuits are still there! And you can thus trick the unit into the old mode. That is the old PA will still run a brand new style Solo in true PA mode if you remove the battery. The supplied charger (with it's one Amp limit) won't, but the old PA rigs (with their 3 Amp potential) will under some conditions.

My take on this is two fold. First it confirms what I suspected was the case, the battery is being 'worked' in the new model when plugged in (it is necessary) as opposed to the 'true PA' (bypass) mode we had before. The battery is always being used to heat, a bit less when the charger is plugged in, but still being charged and discharged over and over.

Secondly it seems to offer another option when the battery gets weak in your new style Solo. You can remove it and convert to "PA only" until a replacement gets there......if you have a PA handy.

OF
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Very good to hear this confirmation. Confirms the points you mentioned as well as the possibility of the PA kicking in at full battery level as well.

Stepping back to what the battery powers verses the external supply is very interesting. The fact that, even with old units in true PA operation, would use "some" battery to power the unit seemed rather off. One would expect maybe some power for the intelligence comes from battery but the numbers tend to show more drain, indicating helping the heater. What a mouth full. Sorry, bad at wording this together.
The ratio of battery verses PA in the old type was 5 or 6 to 1.
Now the reason the old (and new?) will not work on PA with a dead battery is not the lack of power but rather the smart Solo is protecting it's battery from under charge. Turning off is just "doing it's job". Removing the battery is taking away the resistance of a low battery needing a charge, hence taking away the shut off safe guards.

OK, so where am I going with this? Almost forgot myself.... Oh yeah, Removing the battery is similar to having a battery with a full charge. High impedance and the charge circuit would also be off. Combine this with what was mentioned the other night about a chap stating he thought his unit was working like the old PA while it was fully charged. Also, with the 5:1 ratio from befor would mean the you'd get 6 plus sessions before the battery would indicate it needs a charge. I remember reading a letter where an Arizer tech had said that if using the old style PA while fully charged it would not use the battery. Now we know that not to be 100% true but maybe has got some truth to it.

:shrug:, make any sense? Or am I :mental:
 
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Pipes said:
:shrug:, make any sense? Or am I :mental:
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As usual, I think some of both? I can follow much of what you say, but not all. I'm not sure I agree with your 'take' on the battery drain with the PA. If you test you'll find it very much depends on the battery charge and the PA output voltage. The higher the PA voltage the lower the demand on the battery up to the point where flashing lights start (above 9.0 Volts, note the factory PAs are 8.5 Volts, not 8.0 which would be the more logical center of the window). I think the drain is an artifact of how the power is handled since the processor is running at the time.

Pulling the battery out changes that I think. The processor is stopped, it has to boot up when the PA is plugged in and there's no battery there to pull current from. One of the things I always intended to try but haven't yet is to replace the battery with a power supply and experiment with things like dropping the battery voltage when in PA mode. Someday........

In a way the experiment reported to me (firing a new one up with no battery and an old style PA) makes great sense to me. It fits with the observation that the hardware seems the same....... Makes a guy wonder if this is 'just a software change' and a guy could swap processors (or reprogram the one there?) and convert back to the original scheme? That is kill the 'heat while charging' thing and go back to 'heat only in PA or battery mode but not while charging'........

Fun stuff.

Stu said:
Hey, ataxian, you're running a little low on the Yoda. Your supply of JC OG and BD look rather anemic as well. I'd get on that if I were you!
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Yeah, and you're out of the good Single Malt. And could you please get some more of that nut mix you used to have? Thanks. It was great for the munchies.

And can you please back off some on the chlorine in the pool? It's bothering some of the guy's eyes. And a few more towels by the pool would be nice, now that the weather is warmer.

I guess you figured out changing the locks didn't work.........

OF
 
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