Advanced E-cig users and oil/wax, how-to "one-hitter-quitter"

fernand · Apr 20, 2014

Haywood said:
How about a "one" hitter that you only have to load once a month?

Here's my first report of using a genuine Kanger Mini ProTank 3 with liquified concentrates (in this case, undiluted Pure Gold, which is really thick stuff, easily as thick or thicker than honey).

Next adventure with the mPT3 will be to wind my own coil using some ceramic wick instead of the factory silica wick. Probably not right away though, all this testing has me too stoned right now.

Great, @Haywood, a man with a precision scale and a sense of purpose is a man after my own heart.

For anybody in this line of experiment who lives in the SF Bay Area, Harborside has a sale on their CC concentrates. They're tested at > 80% THC and a perfectly clear thick liquid. No, my Sour Diesel has just a trace of haze to it, but most are just light yellow and clear. So thick that after carrying the little jar on its side in my shirt pocket, it's taken an hour to settle into the shape of the uprighted container. Thick and very strong. Anyway, those usually go for $60/g and through tomorrow Sunday they're $40. They even have a 1:1 CBD/THC strain. They offer other opportunities to "save" on worthwhile things.

@Haywood, the CC might need a drop of PG to wick at all, but I'm following your trials like a hawk. Thanks! BTW, I vape flavored VG w/ a trace of nicotine all day long, though I agree it's pretty bleh by itself.

215z · Apr 20, 2014

Thanks Fernand, I have been nursing a gram jar of their CC "CBD Raw" which is tested @ 48% THC 43%CBD. I love it and will go stock up tomorrow.

fernand · Apr 20, 2014

215z said:
Thanks Fernand, I have been nursing a gram jar of their CC "CBD Raw" which is tested @ 48% THC 43%CBD. I love it and will go stock up tomorrow.

What exact area are you using the CBD Raw for, and how well is it working? I use Sour Diesel for Sciatica and for some reason it targets my lower spine perfectly.

lesvape said:
Has anyone tried oils with the vapeonly BCC Mega cartomizer? The kit I have comes with a 1.8ohm, 2.2ohm and a 2.5ohm replaceable atty. I am getting some pure gold tomorrow and wondering if this could work. It's a dual wick bottom atomizer, I think works similar to Kanger models, but I am not sure how well this model would work with pure gold. It barely leaks, and I say barely and sometimes you see juice at portion where the mouth peace slots in. Thank you.

You might want to move slowly so you don't waste material. Few of the cartomizers designed for e-liquid can work as-is because of the huge difference in viscosity. There are also differences in temp requirements. All of us here are looking for solutions, keep an eye on the specific builds that are successful. Most people are dabbing one dab at a time on exposed coils, but that tends to easily burn the oil, and it's not a "cartomizer" approach.

215z · Apr 20, 2014

fernand said:
What exact area are you using the CBD Raw for, and how well is it working? I use Sour Diesel for Sciatica and for some reason it targets my lower spine perfectly.

I use it for anxiety. It invokes this profound sensation of well-being.

wildlyfe200 · Apr 20, 2014

Hi all been reading throught the thread from the beginning. A previous poster was talking about the stovetop coil and I was thinking about that today. What ahout having ss mesh or ceramic wick underneath or sandwitched between dual stovetop coils in an RBA. Mabey take the stovetop idea and stretch the center downward and make a cone or funnel suff the center with wick or put the wick underneath mabey with another coil just under that. I dont have an RBA at the monment to try it so if anyone think some variation of this using the stovetop would work I think we might be on to something. Heres the vid
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qrf6giMXRY

wildlyfe200 · Apr 20, 2014

Oh yeah happy 420

Darb · Apr 20, 2014

2clicker said:
i am thinking the same. i really enjoy 2.5-3ohm coils the best at this point. i like to use an 18350 IMR cell to keep my rig short. the ceramic cup is also looking promising for my needs.

i dont mind so much the diameter. its the length that bothers me. i have considered using 18500s, but i get tons of use out of my 18350s with a 2.5-3 ohm coil.

EDIT* link to mini PT3
http://www.viper-vape.com/products/kanger-mini-protank-3.html

ive placed a couple of orders with this retailer. great service and fast shipping.

Are you using this mini PT3 for a qwet/liquidizer ejuice mix?
What are you using to power it?
If the 1.5ml tank is filled, approx how much qwet would be in the tank? .75?

Haywood · Apr 20, 2014

@Darb: All your questions are answered in a long message from me on the previous page of this thread. Click here to get there.

Darb · Apr 20, 2014

Haywood said:
@Darb: All your questions are answered in a long message from me on the previous page of this thread. Click here to get there.

I see you're using pure gold in your Protank 3. Do you think the Protank would also work well with a wax/ejuice mixture?

fernand · Apr 21, 2014

@Darb i would guess that he's depending on the perfect flowing of the Gold when heated. It's apparently like a reconstituted oil, it lacks any plant wax or particulate, they even remove some compounds they consider irrelevant, and add 5% limonene. @Haywood may straighten me out but I would guess that if any oil will flow and wick, this be the one, I wouldn't extrapolate. And it's got a stealthy scent

But @2clicker is working with 50/50 BHO w/ ejmix, that strikes me as closer to your (and my) situation. He was going to load up his mPT3. We'll know soon.

2clicker · Apr 21, 2014

yes the mPT3 should work great with an ejmixed liquid. i use QWET instead of BHO, but that shouldnt make much of a dif. i would imagine that ejmixed BHO would work the same.

i have not filled my mPT3 yet. just havent needed any liquid yet. looks like i will be filling it on wed tho.

lesvape · Apr 21, 2014

I know ej mix is for concentrates, but can I mix it(properly following instructions) wax with ej mix, and a glycerin tincture? Then use the new juice in a PT3(they said the mini still leaks) that has pure gold(a bit less than .5) already in it? Thank you.

Darb · Apr 21, 2014

Thanks for the answers. Looks like its time for me to do some shopping.

Dangus · Apr 21, 2014

Anyone try this vs the EJ Mix?
http://www.gentlemansvapes.com/products/bulk-premium-diy-pg-vg-blend

price seems pretty decent in comparison...

jdee · Apr 21, 2014

Dangus said:
Anyone try this vs the EJ Mix?
http://www.gentlemansvapes.com/products/bulk-premium-diy-pg-vg-blend

price seems pretty decent in comparison...

if $30 for a 16oz bottle of 50/50 pg/vg is a good deal here is an even better deal,

http://www.bulkapothecary.com/raw-ingredients/other-ingredients-and-chemicals/propylene-glycol/
http://www.bulkapothecary.com/raw-ingredients/other-ingredients-and-chemicals/glycerin/

less than $8 for 32oz of 50/50 pg/vg, a savings of 750%,

Dangus · Apr 21, 2014

jdee said:
if $30 for a 16oz bottle of 50/50 pg/vg is a good deal here is an even better deal

Don't think it's a 50/50 ratio of pg/vg, if you take a second look they mention:

"this jug, mixed 50/50% with full melts in heat will allow you to fill several tanks" which could have led to the confusion...

So it sounds similar to the EJ mix in that they found a good ratio that won't cause the oil to separate.

EJ Mix is pretty expensive, but known to work. It's also been discussed that many folks have separation issues when simply using pg or vg mixed with oil. I've yet to see this product discussed, or seen a pg/vg ratio mentioned that is working for folks.

have a bottle of EJ Mix en route...but might have to eventually try out the gentleman brand for comparison...

lesvape · Apr 21, 2014

Just to double check, we can use EJ Mix with wax, but what with hash, and/or tincture made from 100% PG?

215z · Apr 21, 2014

So where do I get the porous ceramic stuff to use as a wick? A nice cylindrical chunk would fit nicely here:

(Pic of a Utopia Planitia KISS cart with a "vapin donut" ceramic heating element)

Haywood · Apr 22, 2014

215z said:
So where do I get the porous ceramic stuff to use as a wick?

If you look back to page 18 of this thread, I left a message with links to buy both the 1/16th and 1/32nd flexible braided ceramic wicks. Check out the following few messages as well, since they have some further insights as to which brand might be better than other brands. I have both brands here, but haven't had a chance to try them yet. @2clicker has some too, and I think he's tried them already.

I have my doubts that the current ceramic donut heater will work out for us, due to the current generation's extremely low resistance, but that's just my supposition, not based on experimentation or facts... I'm looking forward to hearing how your experiments go.

Dangus · Apr 22, 2014

Haywood said:
I have my doubts that the current ceramic donut heater will work out for us, due to the current generation's extremely low resistance, but that's just my supposition, not based on experimentation or facts... I'm looking forward to hearing how your experiments go.

They have more resistances availbable now btw:
http://www.fatdaddyvapes.com/shop.html

jdee · Apr 22, 2014

Dangus said:
Don't think it's a 50/50 ratio of pg/vg, . It's also been discussed that many folks have separation issues when simply using pg or vg mixed with oil.

http://skunkpharmresearch.com/game-changer-emulsifying-vegetable-glycerin-and-bho-for-e-juice/

If you truly believe you need to purchase a proprietary liquid that is just rebranded pg marked up 10x to achieve the result you wish, go for it. Other people are having plenty of success using standard pg and heat, or vg and heat and a homogenizer.

But more interestingly, we have new wicking material to try, solid quartz stirring rod (pure silica) it can be removed and torched to a glowing white to clean, so lasts forever, and produces plenty of vapor.

Darb · Apr 22, 2014

jdee said:
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/game-changer-emulsifying-vegetable-glycerin-and-bho-for-e-juice/

If you truly believe you need to purchase a proprietary liquid that is just rebranded pg marked up 10x to achieve the result you wish, go for it. Other people are having plenty of success using standard pg and heat, or vg and heat and a homogenizer.

But more interestingly, we have new wicking material to try, solid quartz stirring rod (pure silica) it can be removed and torched to a glowing white to clean, so lasts forever, and produces plenty of vapor.

What is the atomizer you're using there?

2clicker · Apr 22, 2014

jdee said:
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/game-changer-emulsifying-vegetable-glycerin-and-bho-for-e-juice/

If you truly believe you need to purchase a proprietary liquid that is just rebranded pg marked up 10x to achieve the result you wish, go for it. Other people are having plenty of success using standard pg and heat, or vg and heat and a homogenizer.

But more interestingly, we have new wicking material to try, solid quartz stirring rod (pure silica) it can be removed and torched to a glowing white to clean, so lasts forever, and produces plenty of vapor.

how would solid help in this case? i would think porous or braided is the way to go.

regarding liquifying oil... u could use pg alone if you want your oil to seperate after time. ejmix keeps things mixed. i cant say that i have read anyone having consistent results with pg alone. i may have to buy some and give it a shot, but i think i will be dissapointed.

Todai · Apr 22, 2014

Lots of good stuff in this thread! Based on @Haywood review, I picked up a Kanger Mini Protank 3 and a couple extra 2.0ohm coils to try with Pure Gold. It was only about $15 for the kit and $10 for the extra coils and I already have a VV Ego-C Twist laying around so figured I'd give it a try.

I've heard from a few people now that the mPT3 tanks don't leak - like zero leaks. Still, I'll probably only start with a .5 squeeze cap first just in case I run into problems.

Anything else I should know about the mPT3?

lesvape · Apr 22, 2014

When I got my regular protank the store told the me the mini's still having a bit of an issue with leaking even in v3, they were certain v4 would have solved it. Maybe they were wrong?

I know plant/flower material doesn't work(at least not well) with PG and EJ mix, but can keif work?

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