New Wax ... good or bad?

bonghitz204

New Member
Ok sounds easy enough but my biggest issue is knowing when the product has no more solvents in it because I dont want any solvents in it but at the same dont want to over do it and wreck a good product. Can you elaberat a little more when you say is no longer impressionable to the touch. (and what solvent should i use to redissolve it, i would usually use 99% iso, what do you recommend)
 
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DabComa

Stuck in Dab Coma
I would recommend EC if you can get your hands on it otherwise 99% ISO is sufficient. When I say unimpressionable I mean in that you can poke it with your finger, and while it can move a little, for the most part just slightly leaves a fingerprint in the oil, with NO residue left on your finger when you pull it out (giggity). If theres oil on your finger or your finger can easily slide in it, it is not done yet. If you aren't sure, you can always test a dab of it with the torch before you scrape. When you get a clean melt on the dab test your good to go.
 
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bonghitz204

New Member
What is EC I can usually get my hands on anything lol. And my the wax right now sinks like bud will my product still smell as good when im done with it. and im guesssing the final product is shatter?
 
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DabComa

Stuck in Dab Coma
Everclear. It should be just as potent as the starting product as long as you don't heat too high.
 
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bonghitz204

New Member
Ok perfect. is it alot better to use everclear or any other high grade grain alchohol vs 99% iso because i can get it but its a bit of a drive. big difference or no? are u a chemist or something you seem to know alot about everything lol
 
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DabComa

Stuck in Dab Coma
No I'm not a Chemist, but I did pay a lot of attention in AP Chemistry. People have said that ISO has a tendency to mute flavor slightly and not so much with EC so personally I use EC.
 
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bonghitz204

New Member
Ok great I guess I'm going to get some EC lol. Is everclear the only good brand of wood grain alcohol because I know I can get high % wood grain alchohol because a friend uses that stuff to make his tincture ( not a fan but had a bunch of it one night I defiantly was medicated but like to smoke my medicine) but not sure what kind he uses
 
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2clicker

Observer
Ok great I guess I'm going to get some EC lol. Is everclear the only good brand of wood grain alcohol because I know I can get high % wood grain alchohol because a friend uses that stuff to make his tincture ( not a fan but had a bunch of it one night I defiantly was medicated but like to smoke my medicine) but not sure what kind he uses

well everclear is a grain alcohol, but its not wood grains...? its made from corn and it is basically ethanol. you can use EC or buy ehtanol.

there are other 190 proof alcohols available, but im not sure what they are.

oh and stop smoking your stash! vape it instead. you may mean vape when you say smoke, but when you use a nail for concentrates you are vaping it. unless of course the nail is red hot... in that case you are combusting it indeed.
 

Puffers

Micro-Climate Mastermind
Ether is kind of a broad term for a solvent group and can also refer to different petroleum ether solvents like hexane, acetone, chloroform, diethyl ether, etc do you know what kind of solvent was originally used for extraction? Obviously different solvents will have different boiling points for removal from your oil.
 
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bonghitz204

New Member
I am going to figure out what solvent was originally used In the next day or 2 but really just want a clean product. ( and I like to hit my concentrates with a red hot nail usually). Any other thoughts of what solvent they like to use or methods?
 
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Bouldorado

Well-Known Member
I am going to figure out what solvent was originally used In the next day or 2 but really just want a clean product. ( and I like to hit my concentrates with a red hot nail usually). Any other thoughts of what solvent they like to use or methods?

Most likely it's made with butane. Wait for 15-30 seconds (depending on nail size) after heating it red hot before you dab. You'll get much smoother hits.
 
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bonghitz204

New Member
Im not sure thats what I though but I dont think it is im going to find out like. this is what im working with right now ordering a new one with a carb cap.

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tepictoton

Well-Known Member
Looks like cheap chinese nail...picture is not great but is that degradation on the head of the nail...I would first invest in getting a new nail...

Some good tips here, had been playing round with the fteezing idea myself...will try it on next run.
 
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clouded vision

Well-Known Member
While it is hard to tell from pictures alone, it looks like a poorly purged hexane oil. hexane is a typical ingredient of ether so that would explain why the guy says it was an ether extraction. Hexane oil should end up like a dark honey in color, clarity and texture. It could have been made with contact cleaner which is mostly hexane with a little ethanol which would explain the waxy appearance because the ethanol will pick up some wax and chlorophyll.

@DabComa while I agree with you that vac purging isn't the end all, be all it is important to note that some sort of purge is absolutely necessary. Butane molecules are extremely small and can easily get trapped in oils as they harden and may not be visible to the naked eye. Even the clearest shatters could potentially contain trace amounts of butane. Thin film heat purges or even whipping it into ear wax is not enough to fully purge butane. If you can't/don't want to vac purge I suggest a dual solvent method, you can blast straight into ethanol or redissolve your finished bho into ethanol (and winterize if you want) then evaporate the ethanol. Butane boils at 30.9°f while ethanol boils at 172.4°f. You don't need to actually boil the ethanol off, low heat will work fine and once the ethanol is evaporated you can be sure the butane is gone. This method may leave you with trace amounts of ethanol but as @2clicker pointed out, who cares, ethanol is relatively safe and most people consume far more than trace amounts everyday.

Edit: I just wanted to point out that at first I said ethanol will pick up wax and chlorophyll then suggested using it to purge butane. I just wanted to point out that it only picks those contaminants up when in contact with the plant matter itself so using it to purge won't have the sane effect, also the colder it is the less wax and chlorophyll it will pick up so if making QWET just make sure everything is frozen to prevent most unwanted contaminants

To the OP, if you ever doubt the quality of the purge for your concentrates, just redissolve them in EC (or any other "grain neutral spirit" which is any 190 - 192.4 proof alcohol) and evaporate. You can also winterize if you want. Last time I winterized some very waxy stuff, I've seen stuff like this called cookies before because it almost looks like a chocolate chip cookie, I ended up with a 14% loss in overall weight out of 2 grams. I contribute some of that to using coffee filters instead of a syringe filter so it obviously absorbed some. I think with a larger batch or proper filter I could keep my loss below 10% for even the waxiest concentrates. Btw my absolute came out crystal clear but it stretches instead of shatters because I rushed the evap (my buddies wife was bugging him to leave but half was his).
 
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bonghitz204

New Member
Looks like cheap chinese nail...picture is not great but is that degradation on the head of the nail...I would first invest in getting a new nail...





Lol I did not say I has the best rig, was the best one they had at my local headshop at the time and just needed any Ti nail. Thanx clouded vision any tips I very much appreciate as I am trying to get good concentrates more popular around here... no one really has a good product here.
 
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tepictoton

Well-Known Member
Personally,

I prefer winterizing, and as clouded vision mentions you might also not winterize and just evaporate the alcohol. But when looking at your extract it definitely looks like it has a lot of wax in it, so I would winterize it. Yes you do loose weight, but think about it, you gain a lot in potency(if done with low temps!). If you take out lets say 10-15procent of waxes and stuff, that means the resulting product will have 10-15procent less unwanted by-products...

Yes there is a slight loss in flavor, but if done right even the most seasoned dabbers will not pick up the difference in flavor, yet will notice a huge improvement in smoothness of the hit...:2c:sorry for coming of bit like uhu in my first reply, was not meant that way...
 

DabComa

Stuck in Dab Coma
People are so fast to label the waxs and lipids as bad, and say they need to be filtered out, yet still acknowledge that the high from vaping flowers is a spectrum. the wax's and lipids still contain flavor and most likely some sort of effect, maybe not alone but absolutely when combined with THC. If I take an ounce and run it and get 7 grams of oil out of it, I have effectively already filtered out 75% (21/28*100=75%) of the nonbeneficial and or carcinogenic material from that ounce already, so why would I be so concerned at that point as to go and filter out 14% (assuming you lose one full gram (1/7 * 100 = 14%)) of what some would label "unwanted" in the final product. All it does in my perspective is waste and cut into the bottom line, but like I always say, everything in life is perspective, and everyone has one thats different.

I used to blast into an alternate solvent but I've found that it generally mutes the flavor of the end product, so I choose not to anymore. If there isnt enough solvent left in the final product to spark or pop at all on a dab test in open flame then I consider it safe to consume, even if there is some astronomically minute amount of butane in the PPM.
 

clouded vision

Well-Known Member
People are so fast to label the waxs and lipids as bad, and say they need to be filtered out, yet still acknowledge that the high from vaping flowers is a spectrum. the wax's and lipids still contain flavor and most likely some sort of effect, maybe not alone but absolutely when combined with THC. If I take an ounce and run it and get 7 grams of oil out of it, I have effectively already filtered out 75% (21/28*100=75%percent of the nonbeneficial and or carcinogenic material from that ounce already, so why would I be so concerned at that point as to go and filter out 14% (assuming you lose one full gram (1/7 * 100 = 14%)) of what some would label "unwanted" in the final product. All it does in my perspective is waste and cut into the bottom line, but like I always say, everything in life is perspective, and everyone has one thats different.
I definitely agree, I should have said we only winterized 2 out of 8 grams for use in my cera because it doesn't like waxy shit. I still prefer to dab the wax unless I have a sore throat. It's really a matter of personal preference, the trade offs are a loss of flavor and weight for improvements in potency and smoother hits. For me though a nice full flavor low temp waxy dab really hits the spot.
 
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bonghitz204

New Member
Ya I was thinking of only winterizing only a little portion of what have i dont care about the loss of product as long as im not loosing the good stuff. But I do want to make it so im not smoking any solvents and want to not loose product one the rest so do i redisolve in small quantities with little amount of solvent each time or one or to big batches.
 
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Caligula

Maximus
The pic started showing up for me--looks a little greasy but not outrageous. Not sure what assurance someone could give based on a picture. This makes me happy to have access to reliable vendors with standardized product.

Edit: Upped the OP's pic:

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I just bought some of this from a local top end dispensary. $55/g. Just goes to show you cant always go off of looks alone.

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Caligula

Maximus
It is, too! I actually like how this stuff handles. Its very easy to manipulate. Sticky enough without being too sticky toy know? And you can just scoop any size chunk you want out of it with your dab tool.
 
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