What STRAIN works the best for your condition?

ataxian

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@ataxian DUDE! I'm speechless. What a lovely little herb garden!

One thing about buying grams prn is that it's like tasting wines: lots of variety, no big commitment. Once your little ones grow, it's a bit of "love the one you're with" - I guess, but I've never been so blessed. Sigh.

@akaye47 that Super Silver Haze has big bars for Happy and Euphoric. I've often wondered, how do people differentiate Happy and Euphoric? Is Euphoric like happy but without any basis, like if you like the weed and have a good meal you're Happy, and if you burn yourself on the bong and fall down the stairs and you're still good, that's Euphoric?

BTW, do you vape or smoke it, and it's not an anxiety/paranoid smoke? What I found is that even my fave Red Congolese can get anxious if I smoke much. I never get that vaping at low-med temps.
I still buy different strains for my medicine cabinet.

GDP, GSC, DUTCH TREAT and whatever works I like to have on hand.
Indoor Medical growing is a new hobby. This girl I'm growing might be a monster and the yield for one plant is about 225 grams. No way can I vaporize that much flower so most of it will be SHATTER for my wax pens. It's getting real expensive at the dispensary. Plus the SHATTER I make is super pure. I'm very sensitive to taste unfortunately. Top Shelf Flowers and Pure Wax.
Expensive to buy it all the time.
The goal is every two months to have a harvest. Your right it's a bummer if you grow a strain that's not right for you! It has happened.
I fact I have 30Grams of Flower that is spooky. No way do I want to make shatter out of this. Count the loss and toss it! I harvested a week too early. The cure is as important as the grow itself!
Happens!

If you can just buy it why not?
I'm a cheap ass!
 

fernand

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@ataxian All very good points. I just drove down to a dispensary across town because they had my darling at $130 an ounce. And this is a 21% THC Sativa that vapes into energy. So, having confirmed the identity, I wuz energetically thinkin' maybe go back tomorrow, drop the cash and devote 28.34g to a modest BHO experiment? I haven't had a glassware cabinet in decades, but this isn't the proverbial "rocket science". You are so right, may as well make it right from the top. I have had cottage industry wax of late that defies the laws of chemistry, I mean how do you get such a bad taste out of such a beautiful and fragrant flower?

... How much can one get out of an ounce?
 
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fernand

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@fernand, fuck combustion!
:haw:

Yes, yes. But what can you do if your wife, who's such a good sport, and seldom partakes, just haaaapens to prefer smoked? Eh? I'm trying to get her weaned off with a Solo set to 6 or 7, but I have a feeling she has a weakness for combustion. Tragic. Yes, combustion has torn families apart. So I'm just gonna play ball, for now. Personally I use the FireFly lightly, or set the Solo to 2-3 and toss that light brown ABV in the jar.

This isnt quite as off-topic as it might seem. When people go after the ideal strain for what ails them, it's important to also compare the effects of low temprature vaporizing, mid and high temp vaping, and combustion. If I were aiming for max sedation, I'd go with a nukular vape (e.g. Solo at 7), but our luddite bros and sisters maybe instinctively go for plain old smokin', knowing nothing quite kicks the llama's ass like a jolt of carbon monoxide, decomposing terpenes and waft o' forest fire. Wheeee!
 
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cityslang

A taste on the tongue
@ataxian DUDE! I'm speechless. What a lovely little herb garden!

One thing about buying grams prn is that it's like tasting wines: lots of variety, no big commitment. Once your little ones grow, it's a bit of "love the one you're with" - I guess, but I've never been so blessed. Sigh.

@akaye47 that Super Silver Haze has big bars for Happy and Euphoric. I've often wondered, how do people differentiate Happy and Euphoric? Is Euphoric like happy but without any basis, like if you like the weed and have a good meal you're Happy, and if you burn yourself on the bong and fall down the stairs and you're still good, that's Euphoric?

BTW, do you vape or smoke it, and it's not an anxiety/paranoid smoke? What I found is that even my fave Red Congolese can get anxious if I smoke much. I never get that vaping at low-med temps.
Happy is more low rent compared to euphoria. Euphoria just comes on and is hard to describe chiesel makes me really happy but a good haze can give me euphoria.

I think it's the THCV That causes trippy high plus euphoria. But the large number of actives and the entourage effect is not understood too much.

If that makes any sense?
 

cityslang

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Could be. THCV doesn't vaporize until 428 deg F! It could be part of that final vape fraction that comes through best from high temp vaping or smoking.
If I manage to go out tonight (man flu permitting) ill be on the super lemon haze I've pre rolled some 1 paper pures so I should get some euphoria from it.

I'll see what happens
 

ataxian

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@ataxian All very good points. I just drove down to a dispensary across town because they had my darling at $130 an ounce. And this is a 21% THC Sativa that vapes into energy. So, having confirmed the identity, I wuz energetically thinkin' maybe go back tomorrow, drop the cash and devote 28.34g to a modest BHO experiment? I haven't had a glassware cabinet in decades, but this isn't the proverbial "rocket science". You are so right, may as well make it right from the top. I have had cottage industry wax of late that defies the laws of chemistry, I mean how do you get such a bad taste out of such a beautiful and fragrant flower?

... How much can one get out of an ounce?
$130 a once!
I won't even grow if it was that price!

$260 - $400 were I live.

BHO is how the wax is extracted.
I tried ISO and the taste was horrible for me.
VACUUM Purge to evacuate the solvent.
Butane has a low boiling point and is easy to purge actually.
It's not rocket science!

I make SHATTER from colas because I get a higher yield.
Trim I throw away and don't make the effort.
For me it's only medicine not profit!
Plus the concentrates you can buy gives me headaches!
If I buy it I make sure it's lab tested!



Vacuum purging is important in my logic!
The $$$$ saved is worth the effort!
At least the flavor is unreal!
PURE GOLD and CO2 OIL gives me a headache so I make it myself now!
I made hash as well however SHATTER taste the best I think?
 
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fernand

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Modnote: This post was moved out of the Firefly thread.

I've had some CannaQuin (Cannatonic x Harlequin) and Sour D back to back and mixed, was a very interesting experience. The CannaQuin didn't give me any real high but was excellent for pain, and the SD was the perfect sativa addition to it. Really nice uplifting high with analgesia but no grogginess from a strong indica :drool:

Yah, we on our way here. It happens that SD, while being recognized as a clear head energy boost, works 10x better for my lumbar pain & sciatica, below the belt, than ANY other strain I've tried so far. It's so specific to the lower spinal cord that I don't think it would work as well on (mid-level) thoracic nerves.

What I noticed, though, and is REALLY interesting, is that if I 1) lay down some Sour Diesel as base, for reduced pain and boosted energy, and 2) I add another strain that's not so analgesic but is a great energy boost, say Red Congolese, the pain pops right up again, like there's a competitive relationship knocking out the analgesia.

Same with Harlequin (high CBD strain). I thought it could be used in a blend to block excess confusion due to high THC levels, but it reverses Sour Diesel's analgesia as well. And the vaping at different temps seems to suggest that SD's analgesia arrives with the very first fraction that has that dieselly taste, not in the compounds that cross over later, at higher temp.

This all also suggests that some of the effects that, these days, are often credited to CBD or terpenes, including analgesia, may be (in part at least) caused/mediated/boosted by Delta9 THC itself or other low temp fraction elements. The reversal suggests that these elements probably interact in classical "competitive agonist-antagonist" pharmacology, and intertwine with the Endocannabinoid system we are born with.

This is well-known with our natural Endorphins and other morphine derivatives. For instance at a high enough level Codeine, a weaker mu receptor activator (agonist), can still competitively displace Morphine from the receptors, but being a weaker activator, it blocks/reverses some of the analgesic action instead of lightly supplementing it.

Also this is how naloxone reverses respiratory depression in an OD, because it's strongly bound to the mu receptors, thus competing with Morphine and pushing it out, but it's in itself such a weak agonist that it leaves practically no effect. Result: total reversal.

The point is that we see signs of similar complex actions between the Cannabinoids, though it may take a very long time to sort out how they all interact.
 
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fernand

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So far by far my #1 find for lower back problems & sciatica (radiating sharp pains down leg) is Sour Diesel. Also very focused and energetic. Thank God for this. A near perfect daytime vape in my case.

For less energetic push and more laid back but still focused AND with strong pain relief, could probably work for upper spine problems: Chiesel.

It makes it just wonderful if you can choose between them depending on whether you need to accelerate or slow down a bit.

I'm really really impressed with what our hero gardeners have done in the last 40 years! Hats off! Love you guys!
 
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ataxian

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@ataxian All very good points. I just drove down to a dispensary across town because they had my darling at $130 an ounce. And this is a 21% THC Sativa that vapes into energy. So, having confirmed the identity, I wuz energetically thinkin' maybe go back tomorrow, drop the cash and devote 28.34g to a modest BHO experiment? I haven't had a glassware cabinet in decades, but this isn't the proverbial "rocket science". You are so right, may as well make it right from the top. I have had cottage industry wax of late that defies the laws of chemistry, I mean how do you get such a bad taste out of such a beautiful and fragrant flower?

... How much can one get out of an ounce?
http://www.leafly.com/news/medical/indica-vs-sativa-myth-or-fact

I want to follow this research!
 
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Does anyone have a specific recommendation for a strain that will work well for ADHD but still provide clear functionality @ work? I really want my husband to stop poisoning himself with ADD meds that don't really help & make him moody.
 

cityslang

A taste on the tongue
Does anyone have a specific recommendation for a strain that will work well for ADHD but still provide clear functionality @ work? I really want my husband to stop poisoning himself with ADD meds that don't really help & make him moody.
Leafly.com allows you to search by medical condition Adhd is listed and it throws up quite a lot of recommendations. Most have reviews from users
 

ataxian

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Does anyone have a specific recommendation for a strain that will work well for ADHD but still provide clear functionality @ work? I really want my husband to stop poisoning himself with ADD meds that don't really help & make him moody.
http://www.leafly.com/explore#!/explore/symptoms-headaches

After exploring many strains I would have to say the best all around would be:

GIRL SCOUT COOKIES - (GSC)

They taste very nice.

I have only vaporized it.

I quit all drugs.

The reason I say GSC is because I like to be busy!
Other strains I love as well however I get couch lock which is OK some days. The GSC I can still do stuff!
 
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fernand

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Does anyone have a specific recommendation for a strain that will work well for ADHD but still provide clear functionality @ work? I really want my husband to stop poisoning himself with ADD meds that don't really help & make him moody.

FWIW, it's not so easy as to immediately sort it out. Everyone reacts differently, because the plant has so many ingredients. So it will always take a lot of trial and error, to find that perfect strain. There are about 650 currently recognized strains, of which the vast majority are hybrids of a much smaller number of core strains. It's still a lot. It's good you live in a cannabis tolerant state.

Figure trying a good dozen strains before starting to get oriented. And then refining the search to what works best for him with the fewest side effects. I wouldn't know where to start, I'm not sure with ADHD, especially since THC itself is often associated with lack of focus and concentration. Is it head stimulation or body relaxation he is more looking for? That's as good a split for openers as any.

You probably should start with a strain like Harlequin that is weak in THC and high in CBD. There are dozens of active compounds in cannabis. The one that is the rage is CBD as it has all sorts of medicinal properties without making people stoned, that being mainly due to THC.

If CBD's not the way, he'll have to start sampling and taking notes, following the family tree. It seems a lot of people find a good match for what ails them because this plant has such a remarkably diverse collection of ingredients and effects and so many variants. But once you run into a strain that is working better than others, you're going in the right direction, focus on its genetic relatives, and you'll keep getting warmer.


That article is silly. Trying to point out the obvious. By now so many hybridizations later, it's a good working division between primarily cerebral and primarily body-sensory effects, whether it's really sativa vs. indica or not.

If you're interested, look at all the descriptions of specific strains on Leafly.com. Once you get familiar with their whole system and categories, you can pretty well predict what a strain will feel like based on the bar graph and the user reviews/comments. What you can't predict is which one will click your special buttons. It's easy to find an indica that will relieve pain, it's harder to find a strain that won't sedate you and still relieves pain. I found my best strains so far by looking in Leafly.
 
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Gray Area

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If you haven't seen it before, check out http://www.leafly.com . Constantly updated with new strain info, and lets you search by medical condition for which strain is best, and even the nearest dispensaries to get that strain at. No other resource like it. I always check leafly before buying a strain.

Hmm. According to this site, Cheese is supposed to smell of cheese :doh:

I wouldn't rely on it too heavily...
 
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Hmm. According to this site, Cheese is supposed to smell of cheese :doh:

I wouldn't rely on it too heavily...
It isn't very accurate re smells and tastes, but i have always found those subjective. For instance, Sour Diesel never tasted or smelled sour or dieselly to me. But it is pretty accurate in effects.
 

ataxian

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That article is silly. Trying to point out the obvious. By now so many hybridizations later, it's a good working division between primarily cerebral and primarily body-sensory effects, whether it's really sativa vs. indica or not.
I found my best strains so far by looking in Leafly.
@fernand I find holes in it as well.
However is one attempt at creating a general information chart.
Kind of like eating fish:
"Eat the meat and spit out the bones"!
 

cityslang

A taste on the tongue
Hmm. According to this site, Cheese is supposed to smell of cheese :doh:

I wouldn't rely on it too heavily...
It does only not very nice cheese lol


Actually it smells like skunk used to only more pungent but seeing as it's a pheno of the original skunk it's understandable. Then the super stink got bred put of it.

Some of the reviews on leafly are written by bozos
 

DirtyBongWater

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I am a chronic pain patient.., (spine issues ) and i find that GDP ..grand daddy purple works best for pain .for me ..

I've recently had great pain control with both Jack Herer and 3 kings. Also both have helped with muscle spasms and intestinal distress.[/QUOTE]
 

ataxian

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I am a chronic pain patient.., (spine issues ) and i find that GDP ..grand daddy purple works best for pain .for me ..

I've recently had great pain control with both Jack Herer and 3 kings. Also both have helped with muscle spasms and intestinal distress.
[/QUOTE]
GDP is so FULL OF FLAVOR!
Never had JACK HERER however I heard it taste very good even though the medical benefits are excellent!
 
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fernand

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@ataxian, it was Raber, the author of the original article, who was ridiculing the accepted dichotomy of Indica vs Sativa as more sedating vs. more heady. Whether the division perfectly follows the plant height etc, doesn't matter. It's a great convenience in the absence of a more complete framework, we all know what we mean by "a more indica effect", and it will improve as we learn more about how all the cannabinoids and terpenes interact. It's like a big piano chord, with each patient more sensitive to different notes in the chord.

@cityslang I find even the bozo reviews at Leafly.com useful. If I study the effects bar-graphs, which are derived from how people described their experience with the strain, and read the comments, I find them surprisingly useful. And that's even in the context of the huge individual variation in reactions.
 
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ataxian

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@ataxian, it was Raber, the author of the original article, who was ridiculing the accepted dichotomy of Indica vs Sativa as more sedating vs. more heady. Whether the division perfectly follows the plant height etc, doesn't matter. It's a great convenience in the absence of a more complete framework, we all know what we mean by "a more indica effect", and it will improve as we learn more about how all the cannabinoids and terpenes interact. It's like a big piano chord, with each patient more sensitive to different notes in the chord.

@cityslang I find even the bozo reviews at Leafly.com useful. If I study the effects bar-graphs, which are derived from how people described their experience with the strain, and read the comments, I find them surprisingly useful. And that's even in the context of the huge individual variation in reactions.
Currently I keep in inventroey different strains.

Leafy I look at every 8 months or so!

There close on a few however kind of off on some.

In general not to bad.
I find more details by my own research.

I have a lot of indicas however I like some Hybrids that are SATIVA dominate.

Right now I'm mixing it up.

For WAKE & VAKE BLUE DREAM has been the best effect in my case.
@Vitolo recommend the BLUE DREAM.
I kept passing this one up.
However I finally got some and WOW!
Evening time JC OG (late afternoon)
YODA before bed time.

WHITE WIDOW I'm out so I may have to grow it to have some?
 
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cityslang

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@fernand

It's the reviews where they have a poor sample and slag off the entire strain as being poor or the ones where they rip a bong and get high etc.

I've so left reviews amnesia haze, blue cheese and AK47 so far I have the leafly app on my phone and most reviews are sensible bit a lot are silly and pointless imo but I do love it its a great resource
 
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ataxian

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FWIW, it's not so easy as to immediately sort it out. Everyone reacts differently, because the plant has so many ingredients. So it will always take a lot of trial and error, to find that perfect strain. There are about 650 currently recognized strains, of which the vast majority are hybrids of a much smaller number of core strains. It's still a lot. It's good you live in a cannabis tolerant state.

Figure trying a good dozen strains before starting to get oriented. And then refining the search to what works best for him with the fewest side effects. I wouldn't know where to start, I'm not sure with ADHD, especially since THC itself is often associated with lack of focus and concentration. Is it head stimulation or body relaxation he is more looking for? That's as good a split for openers as any.

You probably should start with a strain like Harlequin that is weak in THC and high in CBD. There are dozens of active compounds in cannabis. The one that is the rage is CBD as it has all sorts of medicinal properties without making people stoned, that being mainly due to THC.

If CBD's not the way, he'll have to start sampling and taking notes, following the family tree. It seems a lot of people find a good match for what ails them because this plant has such a remarkably diverse collection of ingredients and effects and so many variants. But once you run into a strain that is working better than others, you're going in the right direction, focus on its genetic relatives, and you'll keep getting warmer.



That article is silly. Trying to point out the obvious. By now so many hybridizations later, it's a good working division between primarily cerebral and primarily body-sensory effects, whether it's really sativa vs. indica or not.

If you're interested, look at all the descriptions of specific strains on Leafly.com. Once you get familiar with their whole system and categories, you can pretty well predict what a strain will feel like based on the bar graph and the user reviews/comments. What you can't predict is which one will click your special buttons. It's easy to find an indica that will relieve pain, it's harder to find a strain that won't sedate you and still relieves pain. I found my best strains so far by looking in Leafly.
@fernand what strain do you medically grow for your condition?
 
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