Discontinued herbalAire

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onigiri1692

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Vapodudule said:
I also have some PV gong but i found them stuck 100% of the time on the top white teflon part on the unit. I am on the edge to resolve myself to carve this top teflon ring to prevent the pb.


Did you find the same issue of stuck PVgong? If yes, how did you prevent it?
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Vapodudule If I were you I would wait and pick up one of the newer Teflon on glass mouthpieces. I had two of the PV HAgongs one was too small and one was too big for the HA herb chamber. :doh:
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Perhaps I am just lucky but my PV Gong fits like a glove. It slips into the HA's herb chamber and almost clicks in. Once the teflon ring heats up the fit is just tight enough that I can lift the Gong plus the HerbalAire by lifting the HA and the gong stays put in the herb chamber (although I don't make a habit of this, just to be safe I normally lift using the finger grips on the gong to prevent glass damage). When finished with a session or need to reload, the gong is easily removed from the herb chamber with just a tad of effort.

I will be ordering a second PA Gong (perhaps on 4/20 if there is a sale) as about an hour ago I dropped my gong while cleaning it, which resulted in a small hairline fracture :doh:. While still completely functional I want to have a backup on hand just in case. So once I order the second we'll see if my perfectly fitting gong was a fluke or not.

Here is a pic of my setup (HerbalAire 2.1 + GlassBlowersDirect Showerhead Bubbler + Planet Vape Gong)...sorry no videos or milk shots at the moment as I have nothing to put into the rig until the weekend :(

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Hmmm, that IS a very nice looking bubbler. Was it reasonable?

No. No, don't tell me. I am NOT buying any glass. I am NOT. NOT! (Picture Shirley Temple stamping her foot)
 
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Well MG23, you have really upset me with those milk-shot videos. I don't get anything like that, as my vapour is wisper-thin. In fact, it couldn't be any thinner both in my bong and when I exhale. I actually get more clouds out of my e-cigarette! Could it be that I am using hash, (solid,) as that is all we can get most of the time here?

I do have some bud now which I haven't started yet - perhaps that is the answer; or, my HA did indeed get damaged when I dropped it at the beginning, as the high does not seem to be the same as when I first got it. (At the time, I referred to my HA as my space-cadet machine, but no more....) Or, is it because I use hot rather than cold water in my bong?

I have been really disappointed about this and your videos do prove to me that something is wrong.
Any ideas?
 
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RUDE BOY

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Its the Hash @The Shrike I would say. I don't see pressed hash often anymore but picked up a few grams recently and could not get clouds to save my life. Still got a good buzz but I don't care for hash anymore since I don't smoke. I traded what I had left to someone who loves smoking hash under glass. I got ok results heating a chunk of hash with a flame and then crushing it to powder then packing it in the bottom of the crucible then covering with a screen It works but no big vapor clouds.
 
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onigiri1692 said:
Well I won't say a thing about the bubbler, other then that it is an amazing, quality piece of glass. However I will suggest you checkout the GlassBlowersDirect thread :brow:

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/glassblowersdirect-com-affordable-quality-glass.6955/
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I get it now, y'all are a bunch of glass pimps. My momma warned me about folk like you. "Keep your hand on yer wallet, sonny boy. Some day glass pimps will be trying to reach in there. Don't be fooled..."

How she knew way back then I'll never know. :) :) :)

While that thread is trying very hard to pull me in, I intend to spend some time looking for the glass I already hid from myself (accidentally). In the meantime I will NOT bookmark and constantly sneak peaks at that shiny transparent stuff...
 
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Ah Rude Boy, your first-hand experience mirrors mine , so problem solved.
I look forward to clouds from the bud, (we call it grass,) I haven't used yet.
Thanks for your help.
 
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onigiri1692 said:
Here is a pic of my setup (HerbalAire 2.1 + GlassBlowersDirect Showerhead Bubbler + Planet Vape Gong)...sorry no videos or milk shots at the moment as I have nothing to put into the rig until the weekend :(

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I, of course, haven't been over to the glassblowers thread so I wouldn't have asked any questions there...

When I went to their website, however, I wasn't able to find this particular rig. Can you point me to it? Not that it interests me at all.
 
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cybrguy said:
I, of course, haven't been over to the glassblowers thread so I wouldn't have asked any questions there...

When I went to their website, however, I wasn't able to find this particular rig. Can you point me to it? Not that it interests me at all.
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Sam the guy who runs GlassBlowersDirect is always revaming products inthe inventory and what is in the inventory are more so just examples of what they can make you. If you email Sam with a picture or drawing of what you want he will give you an estimate of what it will cost to make a custom blown piece, which is more reasonable than you would think. The piece I have totaled a little under $140 after shipping and such. I bought the piece while GBD was running a special for FC, after the special I believe the piece cost $200. Checkout this link, while much of the previous inventory is no longer directly on the website you can still see all the pictures on the server here: http://glassblowersdirect.com/wp-content/uploads/ You can see my particular piece in the 10/2012 folder I believe
 
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Yeah, well, If I were ready I think GBD would be out of my range. I guess I would be limited to Chinese glass. Likely the D020 or D022, as folks seem to be very happy with those without having to break the bank.
The one piece I DO have is a straight pipe of heavy glass with a straight downstem attached with a rubber grommet. A boring piece for sure, but it works. I need to replace the downstem in it as it cracked, and the grommet is stinky and hard from years of combustion. A new grommet and a downstem with some action may not be that much less than one of the cheap pieces mentioned above...
 
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Sorry, couldn't figure out how to post images - didn't show up. Please ignore this message.

(Couldn't figure out out how to delete this embarrassement of a message either!)
 
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Caved. I hold y'all responsible... :)

How many of you with the D020 got a 19/22 Claisen or something similar to carborate it? I've been thinking, if I am not using it handheld it might be awkward to lift the HA to clear it.

On second thought I think adding 33% to the cost of the D020 just for a carb doesn't make sense, at least for now.

I see lots of still photos of HA's mated with the D020, but I have not been able to find one in action in video that shows the perc firing off. I thought I saw one before but can't seem to locate it. Can someone give me a link or post a vid? At least then I can satisfy myself while I wait. :)

Wait, that sounded weird, but you know what I meant...

mod note: Edited to turn self-quotes into content.

Yep, that made more sense. Thanks.
 
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HA-Mens, I love my HA cause it's possible to get long session, it extracts goodies slowly and evenly and I like to take my time (with coffe in the morning, it's perfect).
Most part of the time I use it with whole bud, but sometime I pack it a lot of clear abv/kief and connect the whip to my D020 for a cloudy session (don't expect to get clouds as the better vaporizers but you can get many and many clouds), the taste is quickly deteriorate but I found this way more cloudy to vape concentrates, I tried different sorts of concentrates alone or with cotton but it didn't work enough....

I think the big amount of abv/kief very well and hard packed helps to get a sort of "thermal mass" and even if the HA can't go up more of 200°C it is able to vape concentrates very well.

But since the taste is quickly deteriorate (cause abv presence) I prefer to vape kief, reclaim or my worst bho oil. I keep my shatter for others devices!
 
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MG23

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You had me up until the claims of "better" vaporizers and equating cloud visibility to potency.

As far as taste is concerned; you may find preferable flavor if you don't let a load sit idle at temp inside the HA's oven for longer than you need to. While the HerbalAire is a convection vape by nature, it also employs a degree of idle conduction when used stock. If allowed to build up over time conduction can have a notable (negative) effect on flavor. Aftermarket solutions (GonG or TonG) offer alternate methods of avoiding most-all idle conduction; allowing you to go as slowly as you want.

Good post regardless. :)
 
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As far as I know there aren't any anonymous video upload services that can embed through FC.
If there is I would happily upload a video; I have one of the Ratchet bub + HA but I didn't want to upload it to YooToob.

Edit: @cybrguy; -->I believe this is what you're looking for.<--
Full disclosure; I'm not a big fan of the D020, mostly because of splashback issues when clearing hard.
Small flaws aside it is a quality choice for a first bub in the ~50 price range.
 
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MG23 said:
As far as I know there aren't any anonymous video upload services that can embed through FC.
If there is I would happily make a video; I have one of the Ratchet bubbler + HA but I didn't want to upload it to YooToob.

Edit: @cybrguy; -->I believe this is what you're looking for.<--
Full disclosure; I'm not a big fan of the D020, mostly because of splashback issues when pulling hard and clearing, but small flaws aside it is a quality choice for a first bub in the ~50 price range.
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That is exactly what I was looking for, thanks. Just something to keep the anticipation juices flowing.

I'm a little concerned about the splashback too, given the size of the bubbler. But in my quest to find a CHEAP water toy that will do the deed this seemed the best choice. It certainly gets plenty of love from it's users.

It was this or "upgrading" my straight pipe bong (which I finally found after hiding it) with a new downstem and grommet which would cost pretty close to the cost of the D020. Then it still wouldn't be a new piece... ;)

I may well go ahead and get the grommet and downstem anyway if I see some cheap 420 sales. And I guess if I buy something cheap from GBD I can get a free downstem, so it may not be that much. I have been having a little trouble, tho, finding this kind of grommet which I like with roughly 20mm OD 14mm ID.
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I'm sure another style grommet would work fine, tho.

Edit: If I soak the rubber grommet in ISO 91% will that dry it out even more?
 
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MG23

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I think you made the right decision switching to a small, all glass option over your large piece with rubber connections.
GonG is preferable to Rubber on Glass in almost every way. Glad to see you went the right way instead of the RonG way. ;)

That said, I agree that the D020 is slightly too small. Close but no cigar as far as optimal functionality is concerned.
However, the quality for the price is impressive.
It's not functionally or aesthetically on par with name brands, but it gets the job done.

Side note: There is a good chance that rubber grommet is not iso safe and will just serve to degrade it further instead of helping.
 
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MG23 said:
I think you made the right decision switching to a small, all glass option over your large piece with rubber connections.
GonG is preferable to Rubber on Glass in almost every way. Glad to see you went the right way instead of the RonG way. ;)

That said, I agree that the D020 is slightly too small. Close but no cigar as far as optimal functionality is concerned.
However, the quality for the price is impressive.
It's not functionally or aesthetically on par with name brands, but it gets the job done.

Side note: There is a good chance that rubber grommet is not iso safe and will just serve to degrade it further instead of helping.
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I have their TonG for connecting the piece to the HA, so while not glass it should be fine. And yes, I was just looking at the Mobius Ion Matrix. Beautiful, but $280? I think not...
 
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Haha, we agree again. $280 for a Mobius is actually the low end of the price spectrum.
When I say all glass I mean the piece itself, not the vape or how you connect it.
I also use the TonG exclusively these days, though I only use it in a pure convection configuration (unintended by manufacturer).
This configuration requires putting a 3/8" screen down into the TonG's connecting chamber; well below stock screen placement.
It creates a small bowl away from the conductive heat of the HA's oven, but close enough to the jets that it still allows for (nearly) optimal extraction. It can't get quite as dark results as stock, and it limits you to ~.2 of material at a time; but the benefits of pure convection far outweigh these drawbacks imo.
This is my favorite method of using the HA, and the only way I use it anymore.
 
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MG23 said:
This configuration requires putting a 3/8" screen down into the TonG's connecting chamber; well below stock screen placement.
It creates a small bowl away from the conductive heat of the HA's oven, but close enough to the jets that it still allows for (nearly) optimal extraction. It can't get quite as dark results as stock, and it limits you to ~.2 of material at a time; but the benefits of pure convection far outweigh these drawbacks imo.
This is my favorite method of using the HA, and the only way I use it anymore.
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I'm holding the TonG right now trying to see what you are doing. So you are not using the crucible at all? The stock screen in only maybe 2 MM from the end of the TonG (about 1/4 of the way towards the lip which is at about 1cm). Not sure how you could get it much further down...

What ARE the advantages to convection only? Just the lack of anything "searing"? Does that manifest in the buzz or just in the amount of irritation?
 
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MG23

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A 3/8" screen is slightly smaller than stock screen. It slides in far deeper, but is still held in place by a lip inside.
No crucible. You pack the load directly into the teflon bowl formed in the TonG by the deep set screen.
The advantages are mostly in flavor and convenience.
You can leave the load at temp as long as you want and the next hit will taste just as fresh as the previous.
Absolutely no "burnt popcorn" taste, even at the end.
Harshness is also minimized; bigger, tastier hits with minimal throat/lung irritation.
 
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Call me a stupid old fahrt, but I'm not really understanding this one, MG23.
Admittedly, I'm shattered, but could you please give a more detailed explanation of this?
Cos, the idea really appeals to be able to take your time. That's the only minus point to the HA for me.
Pretty please?
 
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MG23

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If you have a 3/8" screen try to put it in the normal screen position in the TonG.
It is too small and will pass right through the normal lip down to the inner lip.
From there you just line it up flat against the inner lip and pack the load into the resulting teflon bowl.
The 3/8" screen is a perfect fit on the inner lip; it should stay in place on its own once it's down flat.
 
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