The Magic-Flight Box

OF said:

Howdy, welcome to the Forum, sorry you're having troubles.

This happens to new guys. You have other options, I suggest you try them. Stop doing what's not working (change something), if you don't the results aren't likely to change.

You know vaping works great if you can control the heat properly, right? Therefore, that (heat control) must be the problem. Specifically, you're putting in too much heat......more heat than you can use to make vapor.

Forget the instructions for a bit, experiment. Sneak up on the temperature. Heat for say 3 seconds (not enough), let it coast as you hit on it (fairly gently, you'll looking or vapor) for a few seconds and give it another 3 or so seconds. Gradually increase the ratio of on to off times to bring the temperature up.

As the battery discharges, and as it ages, along with the surface of the mesh 'breaking in' this action (rapid heat transfer) will slow some. Soon they will combine so that it'll be harder and harder to combust on purpose, eventually becoming all but impossible.

For now, stop feeding it too much power, it's making it too hot........

Stick with it, you'll sort it out.

Good luck.

OF

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Hi, thanks for trying to help me.

The problem continues, I have now "wasted" about a gram of good medicine in the mflb. Probably tried it 10-15 times with the same result, combustion. I have how ever noticed that the burning occurs in the same spot in the trench every time, the bottom middle and slightly to off to one side. I am thinking it must heat the screen uneven, is this possible? The herb in contact with the sides or walls of the trench does not burn, only part of the herb in contact with a small area of the "floor".

I´m pretty sure its not my technique, as i own several other (desktop) vaporizers where draw speed is a factor. Bought the mflb mostly for fun as i already own other portables such as the solo and O phos.

I just wanted something smaller then the solo for dry herb, so i bought the mflb after hearing and seeing much good. Is uneven heating common with the mflb? Has nobody heard of this before? The problem seems to bee a very small area in the bottom of the trench.

Thanks

Herbert said:

Hi, thanks for trying to help me.

The problem continues, I have now "wasted" about a gram of good medicine in the mflb. Probably tried it 10-15 times with the same result, combustion. I have how ever noticed that the burning occurs in the same spot in the trench every time, the bottom middle and slightly to off to one side. I am thinking it must heat the screen uneven, is this possible? The herb in contact with the sides or walls of the trench does not burn, only part of the herb in contact with a small area of the "floor".

I´m pretty sure its not my technique, as i own several other (desktop) vaporizers where draw speed is a factor. Bought the mflb mostly for fun as i already own other portables such as the solo and O phos.

I just wanted something smaller then the solo for dry herb, so i bought the mflb after hearing and seeing much good. Is uneven heating common with the mflb? Has nobody heard of this before? The problem seems to bee a very small area in the bottom of the trench.

Thanks

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That sounds suspicious. Send an email, they're great people and will help sort you out.

Right on time with that last post QuetZ

Been a minute since I stopped in. Got my replacement box in the mail Monday, it's got a black line through the wood on the side. Looks rather cool IMO. It's kind of weird having a choice in which to use. Though I think I'm going to use one for more of a travel vape, and one at home with the PA & water pipe.

Herbert said:

The problem continues, I have now "wasted" about a gram of good medicine in the mflb. Probably tried it 10-15 times with the same result, combustion. I have how ever noticed that the burning occurs in the same spot in the trench every time, the bottom middle and slightly to off to one side. I am thinking it must heat the screen uneven, is this possible? The herb in contact with the sides or walls of the trench does not burn, only part of the herb in contact with a small area of the "floor".

I´m pretty sure its not my technique, as i own several other (desktop) vaporizers where draw speed is a factor. Bought the mflb mostly for fun as i already own other portables such as the solo and O phos.

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You didn't really waste anything. The THC is still there, the taste is a bit off, but you have to combust every bit to destroy it this way. You can vape the good stuff out, or use it to cook with. Hopefully you haven't pitched it?

While there are intentional concentrations of heat (near the bends) the construction (spot welded wires running with the current path with cross connecting ones to guarantee uniform current) keeps the surface at a very uniform temperature. A true strength of the design.

I'm pretty sure it is technique. I strongly doubt it's a defective unit. There is much more to technique than draw speed. Don't you moderate the power to your O Phos? The Solo does this for you of course. Again, try slacking off on the power, things will cool off. And the box will 'mellow out' over time as the batteries loose their edge. You might even consider some of the older style LSD batteries we used to use before the 'glyph' ones, they run cooler as well.

You should also explore grind, curing, shaking and all the other stuff we seem to hold dear. All part of technique, and significant (or we wouldn't care?).

MFLB is as popular as it is (VERY) for good reason IMO. It's a very solid design, well made and with excellent support. MF earned there place at the big table.....and their loyal following.

OF

Herbert said:

Hi, thanks for trying to help me.

The problem continues, I have now "wasted" about a gram of good medicine in the mflb. Probably tried it 10-15 times with the same result, combustion. I have how ever noticed that the burning occurs in the same spot in the trench every time, the bottom middle and slightly to off to one side. I am thinking it must heat the screen uneven, is this possible? The herb in contact with the sides or walls of the trench does not burn, only part of the herb in contact with a small area of the "floor".

I´m pretty sure its not my technique, as i own several other (desktop) vaporizers where draw speed is a factor. Bought the mflb mostly for fun as i already own other portables such as the solo and O phos.

I just wanted something smaller then the solo for dry herb, so i bought the mflb after hearing and seeing much good. Is uneven heating common with the mflb? Has nobody heard of this before? The problem seems to bee a very small area in the bottom of the trench.

Thanks

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I had the same problem right before I warrantied my last box.

It is probably a tear in the screen that is hard to see. or possibly a bad screen. If you tear the screen then the heat may "pool" in the box causing overheating. Much like the concept of the Maud Dib. Smaller screen, more heat.

They replaced mine under warranty and I have not had the problem since.

OF said:

That was one of many rumors..
I confess, I played it backwards....... Sold a lot of records I bet.

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It was a real ploy... that was designed to help perpetrate a rumor (Paul's Death).
I played it backwards MANY times, through the 70's
it was only the 45 that could be played backwards and sound right.
You had to place needle on record and turn it backwards by hand.
It said "Paul is dead, Paul is sleeping", after the sounds of an emulated car crash.
This memory brought to you courtesy of my medication...
effectively delivered this morning through my Magic Flight launch Box.

Vitolo said:

It was a real ploy... that was designed to help perpetrate a rumor (Paul's Death).
I played it backwards MANY times, through the 70's
it was only the 45 that could be played backwards and sound right.
You had to place needle on record and turn it backwards by hand.
It said "Paul is dead, Paul is sleeping", after the sounds of an emulated car crash.
This memory brought to you courtesy of my medication...
effectively delivered this morning through my Magic Flight launch Box.

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I never tried the 45! How cool. I remember the whispered secrets, how the record companies didn't want us to know so we'd buy the next record......

I shoulda known the Sage of the High Desert would have the straight poop!

Thanks once again.

OF

I just received my Orbiter bubbler and parts are quite disappointing. The wooden and metal stand is overall very low quality. The wood part has several dents on the corners; the metal wire is very crooked, elevating the glass and tilting it towards the side - lowing the efficiency of the diffuser stem. Also, the metal wire is held onto the base with a screw that isnt shown on the product photos. I've emailed Magic Flight and hope I will get permission to fix these problems with some elbow grease.

The glass itself is beautiful with a few scratches on the joints and markings on the perc. I'll rarely look at the very bottom and center top so I'll forget about those marks soon enough.

Edit: A great thing though is the normal solo stem fits perfectly in the diffuser joint. Being in that position of holding the solo in, it is easy to compensate for the crookedness.

linux3214 said:

the metal wire is very crooked, elevating the glass and tilting it towards the side - lowing the efficiency of the diffuser stem. Also, the metal wire is held onto the base with a screw that isnt shown on the product

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I had the same issue with a bent arm, floating glass and an ugly screw.

I finally straightened my arm with a wrench by bending it at the half way mark -- hobbit at magic flight suggested it is possible to correct on your own.

I also bent down the end of the metal arm that holds the glass. Now my slider closes and the glass rests nicely in its wood base, and I'm no longer losing valuable vapor chamber space.

Rumor has it they're doing away with the ugly screw, I've got an email to magic flight asking if this fix can be done at home.

I think after using it a bit and after correcting the minor annoyances caused by the misshapen metal arm, you'll find it really is worth the investment.

So, are you and @linux3214 saying, that the orbiter doesn't do justice to magic flight's high standards of craftmanship? It's kind of disappointing to hear it, since i was planing to add this bubbler to my wish list for the not so distant future.

I cant speak of the quality b/c I dont own one. But a lifetime warranty on a glass piece is kinda worth it on its own in my opinion.

They have such a great reputation that I'm sure they're just teething problems for a new product. Only the base needs modification and as Lazyidol said, the lifetime warranty on glass I will definitely find useful in the future.

Meek420, let us know if removing the screw is an option. I already find the Orbiter to be a worthy investment. It's such a handy size that once the glass is stabilized, I'm sure this will be my semi-portable glass and the pride of my humble collection.

Edit: I cannot wait to try the Grasshopper on this! Just till July

linux3214 said:

They have such a great reputation that I'm sure they're just teething problems for a new product. Only the base needs modification and as Lazyidol said, the lifetime warranty on glass I will definitely find useful in the future.

Meek420, let us know if removing the screw is an option. I already find the Orbiter to be a worthy investment. It's such a handy size that once the glass is stabilized, I'm sure this will be my semi-portable glass and the pride of my humble collection.

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I removed the ugly screw. Removing the screw didn't seem to effect the arms integrity, I pushed pretty hard on it and it didn't budge.

I'll pick up some wood putty in the future to fill in the less ugly hole that was left behind.

I would buy this orbiter over and over, unchanged from its current glory.

Pros: Performance, price, compatability and warranty.

Neutral: No aphorism or visible etching (though a little bird told me that this is still being decided on) and no wood selection.

Cons: Metal arm may need to be user adjusted.

If I had to do it all over I might consider getting the PA before the Orbiter (loving my power adapter) but I feel like you get way more bang for your buck with the Orbiter.

UPDATE: Butter fingers here accidently dropped the Orbiter from chest height onto hard wood floor. Loud bang. Gasp. It survived! I got lucky. I think it landed on the metal arm because I had to adjust it again and there is not a mark on the glass. Maybe they should offer a base with more crash bars.

Roll cage on your bubbler? Just roll it in bubble wrap!!

@meek420 a split second away to claim that glass warranty.
thank you for the pros and cons list. i share your view on the aphorism and no wood choice. i also think, they could offer to choose, how many whips you want to add to the orbirter. some of us here, already have a WPW. i personally see no need for a spare one. since there is no word out, if the orbiter is coming to europe or not, leaving the short wpw out would reduce the price and hence the taxes.

axakal said:

@meek420 a split second away to claim that glass warranty.
thank you for the pros and cons list. i share your view on the aphorism and no wood choice. i also think, they could offer to choose, how many whips you want to add to the orbirter. some of us here, already have a WPW. i personally see no need for a spare one. since there is no word out, if the orbiter is coming to europe or not, leaving the short wpw out would reduce the price and hence the taxes.

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Glass breaks, ground glass joints break... In fact my little mini tube oil rig broke at the ground joint, not where it attaches to the glass tube, but the joint itself broke. Having an extra whip in storage in case that happens is nice insurance... Plus free silicone tubing

i see your point @Quetzalcoatl, but being clumsy sometimes, i prefere to have less fragile items laying around. in case something breakes, i can still order a new one. can we choose the woods for the wpws in the orbiter package?

Quetzalcoatl said:

Glass breaks, ground glass joints break... In fact my little mini tube oil rig broke at the ground joint, not where it attaches to the glass tube, but the joint itself broke. Having an extra whip in storage in case that happens is nice insurance... Plus free silicone tubing

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i accidentally stumbled across this review of the FF, which compares it to the mflb. from what i've seen, it seems to be a fancy, glorified mflb, albeit with more downsides. why buy this, when you can have the real thing for a lot less?


p.s.: if you going to design a vaporizer, that looks like a mobile phone, why use the obsolete nokia models as guidelines? only raises more suspicions than it should prevent. same goes for the accent.

Yea.. I had my eye on the Firefly for a while. I think it runs into the issue where its really neither here nor there. For ultimate discreetness, nothing beats the PAX in my opinion. Despite all the cons that unit has, it at least beats out just about every other vaporizer in that category. I'd never select it as my primary vape, but definitely what I'd choose if I was gonna go out and about. The other devices that he compared it to like the Solo I see more as a portable that you take to a bud's house and use it the same way you'd use a log vape (not as effective as something like an E-Nano, but still great), sharing it with 4 friends or something (especially if they're not familiar with vapes - easy learning curve).

MFLB just has all around great versatility for me. Admittedly I don't use it as a portable anymore (nowadays just been using a 1 hitter bat that looks like a cig and hitting the AVB from my MFLB), but its nice knowing I can easily use it in that manner if I wanted to. After I sold most my other vapes, I used the money to start buying accessories for the MFLB, the PA 2.0 being one of em which helped make it my primary. Cost, size, and awesome warranty is what makes me really like the MFLB. Also, there's just something a little more intimate about using the MFLB (to me) that other vapes don't offer. Hard to explain exactly why, but I still get a good tingly feeling taking it out and before the session even gets started (despite owning one for years) that I never got with other vapes I owned/used (all which cost more).

axakal said:

i see your point @Quetzalcoatl, but being clumsy sometimes, i prefere to have less fragile items laying around. in case something breakes, i can still order a new one. can we choose the woods for the wpws in the orbiter package?



i accidentally stumbled across this review of the FF, which compares it to the mflb. from what i've seen, it seems to be a fancy, glorified mflb, albeit with more downsides. why buy this, when you can have the real thing for a lot less?

p.s.: if you going to design a vaporizer, that looks like a mobile phone, why use the obsolete nokia models as guidelines? only raises more suspicions than it should prevent. same goes for the accent.

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Lokbok said:

Also, there's just something a little more intimate about using the MFLB (to me) that other vapes don't offer. Hard to explain exactly why, but I still get a good tingly feeling taking it out and before the session even gets started (despite owning one for years) that I never got with other vapes I owned/used (all which cost more).

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Totally agree with this. The MFLB give me the same kind of feeling that my PD did/does. Wonder if it's a wood kinda thing??

lwien said:

Totally agree with this. The MFLB give me the same kind of feeling that my PD did/does. Wonder if it's a wood kinda thing??

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Must be.. a combination of the wood and the whole ritual with the brush cleaning, collecting all the AVB and refilling the trench. I used to not buy into all the hippie mumbo jumbo on the MFLB.. but it really does give me the feeling of a product that someone took particular care for in making it.

Definitely a simple design that can be sold for a lot less than what MFLBs go for.. but if you've seen the imitation ones as many others have.. you really do get where the extra money is going into (not to mention the warranty). Those other ones feel like mass-manufactured garbage that no one cared for.

I'm still always on the look out for new and refreshing vapes (which was why I had huge initial interest in the Firefly too), so its not like I've completely made my mind that the MFLB is the only one for me.. but its definitely a testament to the Box itself that I keep coming back after all the other rounds I've gone through.

mod note: Edited to fix broken quote.

Quetzalcoatl said:

Glass breaks, ground glass joints break......

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Round ball of glass has no seams or edges, therefore fewer "critical" spots to hit and crack....
more round area, with higher structural integrity.

How NOT to use a Launch Box:

My gawd... I would rather suffer a rectal surgery than sit through another one of that guy's reviews

FlyingLow said:

My gawd... I would rather have rectal surgery than sit through another one of that guy's reviews

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