Vapman

HSIHP said:

Thanks OF. The genie is off the table as I'm not to fond do breathing in butane, I feel it messes with the flavor.

The vapman looks awesome for what I want, easy portable flame based for camping and power outages, and while the lotus is getting great buzz in its thread I like to be a bit more discrete when I vape. I guess it will come down to which one I can get for the best deal.

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The Vapman is definately more discrete. You can torch it out of sight and then hit it and no one will have a clue as to what you're doing. The Lotus is like any other pipe in that you have to draw through it during use.

The loading process is more involved than the Lotus, which isn't necessarily a huge deal, except when you're trying to load quickly. I just scoop straight out of the grinder using the Lotus whereas the Vapman requires the funnel and a steady hand. The bowl is tiny on the Vapman too, so it's not a heavy hitter.

I prefer the Lotus on a day to day basis strictly based on convenience basis only, but the Vapman comes into it's own in terms of flavor and for those days when I'm not in a rush. It works particularly well for kief.

Salutations HSIHP,
Salutations Basement Farmer,

HSIHP said:

The genie is off the table as I'm not to fond do breathing in butane, I feel it messes with the flavor.

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I've been using the VaporGenie since mid-March last year and my observations relative to butane are radically different, though lets also mention i modified my pipe some twenty times before i got satisfied with it - still, i never felt butane taste was an issue past the 1st month and only on rare occasions. What you breath using a VG is mainly air, water vapor and carbon dioxyde (the later being already present in air)... The one part which should be considered to be a real concern is about low-quality butane cans where the amount of trace contaminants isn't specified. I believe 15 ppm of "imputities" is the best one can hope to find in a smoke shop.

In any case this statement about breathing butane doesn't verify in my personal experience so i suppose it's caused by manipulation errors, since the flame must not contact anything or you get soot, etc...

basement farmer said:

The loading process is more involved... ...requires the funnel and a steady hand.

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This is the main reason why i'll hesitate to recommand the VapMan to a close relative who wants a portable: it's too easy for such funnel tool to get lost in the wild... On an other hand, i might want a VapMan for myself since a lighter-based alternative such as the Lotus doesn't appear to be locally available (e.g. in a real store whe i can touch before i buy).

I'm not sure i can overcome the strong conduction aspect but i'm confident the funnel wouldn't be a problem in my application considering i always refill near a table corner or else. Plus, i wouldn't mind avoiding 15 ppm of "Near-Zero Impurites" from a butane can. Yet flavour wouldn't be the main factor in this decision, instead i'm thinking i'd no longer need to provide lung work over pre-heating, as with my modified VG pipe which works best once hot...

Too bad the merchant din't offer the deluxe model with mica insulation to avoid wood scorching!!

Another thing which attracts me in the VapMan is its compatibility with water accessories: i figure it would be nice to have that on a table in my "stoner" corner! But there will be no funel thing to loose for my close relative i'm afraid. So, i'll probably happen to be the one who "bites the bullet", as they like to say around here...

Lets bet a VapMan would do great with a torch in my veranda, a blue flame being so much more discreet at night!

Hi FC family,

First, a huge thank you for such an incredibly helpful and information-rich site. I have been lurking for several years, jealously reading the adventures and misadventures of my virtual friends as they boldly push the envelope of vaporization!

I found this site when the stress of my job got to the point that I was no longer sleeping. Stealth is of major importance, because of my living situation, so I had no idea what to do. Thanks to you all, I purchased an MFLB and was able to start sleeping again.

Recently, a friend talked me into ordering the Vapman. I was skeptical but the reviews were so good that I felt compelled. My ability to locate material is problematic, so anything I can do to conserve product is a huge plus.

In terms of stealth... It is stealthy but there is this residual "hot" smell that lingers for a bit. Not good but I can work around it.

My friend swore he loves the "ritual" of using the Vapman, as have others in this thread. Sounded completely nuts to me but there is something to that. All things being equal (they aren't), I would be most likely to grab the Vapman over the MFLB. For some crazy reason, it is just a more satisfying process (and I have never been a smoker).

Which brings me to my issue...

I have loaded equivalent amounts into the Vapman and the MFLB. I have checked the ABV afterward and found that the Vapman produces a more deeply brown and "crunchy" ABV. Sounds great, right? The problem is, with the Vapman, I get this brief little "heady" high that I need real quiet time to experience. The MFLB hits me harder, with full body effects that are powerful enough to feel, irrespective of what I'm doing.

I want to love this little UFO device but it's frustrating the hell out of me that the effect is so light. When doing a 6 count of flame, followed by 1 second of pause, followed by 6 seconds of flame, I was having little impact on the ABV. After going to 6 on , 1 off, 6 on, 1 off, 6 on, 1 off, I was able to start feeling the effects. Even then, it's more subtle than I expect, given my MFLB experience.

Is it as simple as needing to plug two of the holes? Is there some other secret to vaping that I am missing? I appeal to the brain trust for wisdom!

Thanks for the tips, Steama! Interesting that you need so little time with the torch. I'm using the Honest torch that comes with the Vapman from the VaporStore. It didn't perform very well until I filled it with premium butane and it seems to be consistent and consistently hot now.

Having said all that, my material is still pretty sticky and the outdoor temp here is still cold as hell. I'm sure these factors impact things also.

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I'm using the Honest torch that comes with the Vapman from the VaporStore. It didn't perform very well until I filled it with premium butane and it seems to be consistent and consistently hot now.

Having said all that, my material is still pretty sticky and the outdoor temp here is still cold as hell. I'm sure these factors impact things also.

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I've used that torch with some good results, but found it needed to be dialed up a fair bit. You need a lot of heat to heat the copper mass hot enough to support the hit before the load itself overheats. That is to say shorter time with more fire was the key for me. I adjust the flame so it's about as long as the opening on Vapman is wide (over an inch). A 'long two count' puts enough heat back in for the next hit.

If you are too timid about it, by the time you build up enough heat (in calories, not degrees) in the copper for the upcoming job you've got too much heat (degrees this time, not calories) in the load and you're 'overvaping' it.

It's all in timing. Remember, all the heat there is in the whole game goes in before the hit starts. The entire hit depends on that stored heat. Don't be shy, be fast, firm and decisive. Push it to find the limits. It's more than you think.

That's where 'the heavy stuff' you're getting from MFLB is hiding. In the ability to have the load temperature increase as the hit goes on since the copper is much hotter......not 'hot enough to make vapor'.

OF

Thanks, Steama and OF. Guess I shouldn't have pitched the manual as part of my stealth initiative.

Ok, I got a second VapMan as backup and I charred it as well.

I really like how I can make an unfinished (bland) Vapman look really dark and cool.

This one came out really dark. It's almost balck but in real life you can see the wood grain.

steama said:

Those are freakin' beautiful!

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Thanks Steama.

Just take it apart, sand it with #600 sand paper, char it with the torch lighter, and sand again, then put it back together.

Then oil the outside with Olive oil. If you oil the wooden bowl you'll have to wait a few days so it won't burn the oil when you use it.

This is a awesome vape, and for $80, it's well worth it.

If you can't afford the Mica version, charing the Pure version like this, gives you a very good looking vape for a great price.

The efficiency, flavor and other plus points have already been posted here so I won't repeat it.

But, I really love the VapMan and I recommend it to everyone!

Steama and OF, I cannot thank you enough. By combining your tips, I have had a VM experience that can rival the MFLB.

I plugged two holes with toothpick segments. I jacked the flame up on my jet flame. My heat pattern was: 3,1,3,1,2,1. Lost count but I got 8-10 hits. Several made me cough.

Net result? A powerfully relaxing session that hits body and mind. It's still going strong 15 minutes after the previous VM experiences would have dissipated into the aether.

Thanks again,

Mr Mellish said:

Steama and OF, I cannot thank you enough. By combining your tips, I have had a VM experience that can rival the MFLB.

Net result? A powerfully relaxing session that hits body and mind. It's still going strong 15 minutes after the previous VM experiences would have dissipated into the aether.

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Remember your current gratitude when you get my bill.

Glad you 'broke the code'. As you gain more control, the results you want get easier to deliver.

Best wishes. BTW, the Christian name's Fielding IIRC?

OF

To put this into an embarrassing context, Saturday night I processed through 7 bowls with the Vapman and felt only mildly relaxed. Last night, I followed up with a second bowl and I really couldn't imagine going for a third.

So, for anyone not getting results, there is gold in the tips provided by Steama and OF.

Christian name for Mr Mellish? I believe it's Ralph.

Mr Mellish said:

Christian name for Mr Mellish? I believe it's Ralph.

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Might well be more than one Melish.....I was thinking of the Woody Allen character:
https://www.google.com/search?q=fie...VCYjdoASB5oLwBg&ved=0CEoQsAQ&biw=1400&bih=904

"Suck out the poison".

OF

OF said:

Might well be more than one Melish.....I was thinking of the Woody Allen character:
https://www.google.com/search?q=fielding mellish&client=firefox-a&hs=z29&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&channel=np&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=6JwxU_GVCYjdoASB5oLwBg&ved=0CEoQsAQ&biw=1400&bih=904

"Suck out the poison".

OF

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Aah. Ok. This Mr. Mellish is from the Monty Python skit, "The Day Nothing Happened."

http://www.wepsite.de/The Day Nothing Happened.htm

Smoked my first joint yesterday after a month of only vapman use. Before I got my vapman I was afraid I wouldn't like it so much as I really loved joints. Damn, I didn't remember smoke being so harsh. Vapor just feels so much cleaner and healthier. And that's only one of the advantages.

Rubb said:

Smoked my first joint yesterday after a month of only vapman use. Before I got my vapman I was afraid I wouldn't like it so much as I really loved joints. Damn, I didn't remember smoke being so harsh. Vapor just feels so much cleaner and healthier. And that's only one of the advantages.

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Amen on that one. Much better if you don't have to put your head in the campfire and breathe in all that nasty junk just to get to the THC. And only part of it, since blazing destroys a lot of it before it can get to you.

And the lack of red eye saves the Visine bill as well. And your closes smell better.

So you enjoy it more, use less bud, and get to live longer to enjoy it even more. Pretty hard combo to argue with, really. Welcome to t he club.

steama said:

Joints are harsh! Also, as far as vapes go the Vapman produces some of the finest vapor imo. The Vapman is one of vapings best kept secrets.

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I agree, great performer and lots of fun to use. Cool Swiss stuff, and I'm happy to support the Swiss over the Chinese even if they didn't make such a cool little vape. Got that 'steampunk' thing going big time.

Great secret indeed, but if you keep shooting your mouth off the words going to get out and it won't be our little secret any more.......

OF

OF said:

And the lack of red eye saves the Visine bill as well.

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After a full bowl my eyes are redder than the devil's. If I do a small one my eyes stay clear though, it's weird.

steama said:

I find that I think a lot about my Vapman — Vapman is right behind my Lotus in how it dominates my thoughts on vaporization. I really love this little guy.

I also think it is a 'perfect partner' vape for the Lotus.

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I'm with you on this. I really like the Vapman for the fines that are left in the grinder after consuming the fluff with the Lotus. The two pieces complement each other very nicely.

I really liked that charred look on the Vapman from one of the guys in an earlier post. It seems that these off da grid vapes as I call them are often over looked because they are not battery or plug in. Didn't this guy also make a vape where the heat source was powered by pulling a string. I remember seeing a one like that, I promise I am not that high...lololol

here it is!!
http://www.pollinator.nl/default_ce...link_id=111&product_id=719&sub_category_id=56 also made in Switzerland.
http://verdampftnochmal.de/products/en/vaporizer/element-pocket-vaporizer.html
oh wow Vapman made these!!!

Salutations Mr Mellish,

Mr Mellish said:

..."The Day Nothing Happened."

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This title sounds just like my last shoping excursion: it was there, right under the reach of my hands, but the price tag doubled after my phone call it seems! Too bad it was the mica model... Greed killed this deal and the manufacturer has no control over it in such cases.

Maybe another time.

Would you please elaborate i am having my eye on both, but am not really sure, if i need both.

steama said:

I find that I think a lot about my Vapman — Vapman is right behind my Lotus in how it dominates my thoughts on vaporization. I really love this little guy.

I also think it is a 'perfect partner' vape for the Lotus.

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steama said:

For one they are both jet torch vapes. Two, though they are different the vapor both produced is superior to most vapes. Three the Vapman is more stealth and portable than the Lotus. Four, the Lotus is the best vape available vapor-wise bar none imo.

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and my good friend...lololololololol...lmaoff...where does the FF fit in that lineup....lol.

steama said:

FF is a different context 'for me' all together. My feelings for it have changed over time and ownership. The Firefly is not my fav for sure. Maybe it is too refined in some ways including the effects it delivers imo. I find it a bit boring now...but I still like it.

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Very interesting. I saw a 'review' of the FF against MFLB the other day, made it sound more like a repackage than anything else? Nicely done, but basically the same 'heat the grid with direct current' like the box or FlashVape? That is you manually control the heat....just like here with Vapman?

What I'm asking, I guess, is do you see FF as being basically like the Vapman in that respect? Does that make sense? How would you rate the electric VG (which also seems along the same theme) if you have any experience there?

In my narrow way I lump VG, Vapman, MFLB, Palm2, Lotus and those guys I have all together in the same 'family'.

TIA. Nothing like getting the perspective of a guy who's 'been there'.

OF

steama said:

All I can say is what I am finding trips my trigger for the best vapor is the ability to put a lot of heat in the matter very fast. Batteries cannot beat flame for that type of heat intensity imo.

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I would agree with that. I like the FF, it is a nice Vape, flavor is good, but the lotus and the vapman pack a certain punch that the FF does not deliver at the moment. That is my opinion.

steama said:

All I can say is what I am finding trips my trigger for the best vapor is the ability to put a lot of heat in the matter very fast. Batteries cannot beat flame for that type of heat intensity imo.

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Interesting (and I suspect very useful) insight. Thanks very much.

I wonder if it's a matter of levels? That is batteries are pretty limited about the power they can put out at any instant, you need to build the heat up over time. Fire, OTOH, can be made hotter.......

Food for thought. Thanks again.

OF

OF said:

Interesting (and I suspect very useful) insight. Thanks very much.

I wonder if it's a matter of levels? That is batteries are pretty limited about the power they can put out at any instant, you need to build the heat up over time. Fire, OTOH, can be made hotter.......

Food for thought. Thanks again.

OF

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also think they also require a slight bit of breath skill and lighter control to regulate the heat as well. That is what i really like. the firefly is good at this but the air path is a little to restrictive for me. i can get nice clouds from my FF, i can get quite medicated from it. but the lotus on a j-hook is fucking insane. i hit the vapman years ago when it first came out...it rocks to..i will buy one when my money is right. i think the vapman like the FF is a nice work of art as far as vaporization is concerned as well. Cannot go wrong with either one. for a first attempt the FF is spot fucking on!!!