stickstones
Vapor concierge
henny...I've been sprinkling my herb into the trench about 1/3 to 2/3 high. Are you packing the trench tight like the E elbow pack?
The Magic-Flight Launch Box (Beta)
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Hennessy1414
Terrorist
oh god no...loading it half way to almost 2/3 works for me..i may give the bowl a slight tap tho to ensure some of it touches the screen with a better surface area.
come in chat sticks
come in chat sticks
Haywood
Onward Thru the Fog
I'm in packing mode right now, as I'm leaving tomorrow morning on business, but I wanted to note two things since I posted my last message.
1) I started using the rigid breathing tube that comes with the Launch Tube rather than the flexible tube that comes with the Launch Box, and I MUCH prefer it. The Box is MUCH easier to handle with the rigid tube, while it's somewhat unwieldy with the flexible tube. It just feels better to handle and use, and is much more like just using a (conventional) pipe, rather than a gizmo. AND, I can easily see the vapor now. Not through the clear cover, but through the rigid (clear) breathing tube. I can clearly judge both the density and amount. If I take a number of small hits (rather than a single continuous hit), I can see each of the hits as an inch of dense vapor traveling up the tube. If I take a single long slow hit, I can see the vapor coming up the tube the whole time (though not as dense as when I take small hits). I recommend highly that everyone who is beta testing the Box try a rigid breathing tube to see what you think, both for better handling characteristics and a better ability to judge what kind of hit you're getting. When I get back on Monday, I'm going to cut down one of the extra LT tubes I bought , so that the long part of the tube is about three inches long instead of six inches long, to see if it works as well. If it does, the tube becomes as small as the Box, and will be easier to travel with.
2) Try using a full bowl, not just a half or third full bowl. I know, I know, but I had a friend come over today, and we shared the Box with a full load rather than the third or half load I always use for myself. With the Box, as opposed to every other vaporizer I've used, it may work better with a full load. We got a number of sweet hits (two each) when we started, and many many good (but not as sweet) hits after that. I did stir the load after every two or three hits. I will definitely be testing out full loads when I get back; you should try a full load yourself if you haven't already, and keep an open mind.
Alas, I will not be able to bring the Box with me on this trip, which is out of the country, so there probably won't be any reports from me until next week. Don't think I've given up though, I'm just away.
Haywood
1) I started using the rigid breathing tube that comes with the Launch Tube rather than the flexible tube that comes with the Launch Box, and I MUCH prefer it. The Box is MUCH easier to handle with the rigid tube, while it's somewhat unwieldy with the flexible tube. It just feels better to handle and use, and is much more like just using a (conventional) pipe, rather than a gizmo. AND, I can easily see the vapor now. Not through the clear cover, but through the rigid (clear) breathing tube. I can clearly judge both the density and amount. If I take a number of small hits (rather than a single continuous hit), I can see each of the hits as an inch of dense vapor traveling up the tube. If I take a single long slow hit, I can see the vapor coming up the tube the whole time (though not as dense as when I take small hits). I recommend highly that everyone who is beta testing the Box try a rigid breathing tube to see what you think, both for better handling characteristics and a better ability to judge what kind of hit you're getting. When I get back on Monday, I'm going to cut down one of the extra LT tubes I bought , so that the long part of the tube is about three inches long instead of six inches long, to see if it works as well. If it does, the tube becomes as small as the Box, and will be easier to travel with.
2) Try using a full bowl, not just a half or third full bowl. I know, I know, but I had a friend come over today, and we shared the Box with a full load rather than the third or half load I always use for myself. With the Box, as opposed to every other vaporizer I've used, it may work better with a full load. We got a number of sweet hits (two each) when we started, and many many good (but not as sweet) hits after that. I did stir the load after every two or three hits. I will definitely be testing out full loads when I get back; you should try a full load yourself if you haven't already, and keep an open mind.
Alas, I will not be able to bring the Box with me on this trip, which is out of the country, so there probably won't be any reports from me until next week. Don't think I've given up though, I'm just away.
Haywood
Hennessy1414
Terrorist
^I was just about to post that finding 
nice man great minds think alike
nice man great minds think alike
stickstones
Vapor concierge
Is the screen area above the trench able to vaporize?
DeepFried
A Legend in my Own Mind
My idea about the LB staying closed in your pocket with a pre loaded bowl had me thinking about adding a simple wire with a plastic tube on it to make it easy to roll over the plexiglass edge. Take a look below [sorry henny I stole your pics] to see if you think something like that might help to really keep it closed during travel in your pocket, bag etc.
Hennessy1414
Terrorist
nope that would just be annoying..its fine how it is.
haywood...I meant "try the rigid breathing tube" part,
I immediately loaded a full bowl after haywood told me to...I must say this vaporizer cooks very evenly while giving steady clouds.
haywood...I meant "try the rigid breathing tube" part,
I immediately loaded a full bowl after haywood told me to...I must say this vaporizer cooks very evenly while giving steady clouds.
Hi Haywood,
In regards to the question of what the breathing attachment "should be", there has been much debate internally and no real resolution yet. The (known) options so far are:
1) nothing, just drawing on the box directly (advantage: no extra parts to pack),
2) a short strait section of tube (advantages: easier to draw; can attach common bendy straw),
3) a short rigid elbow, about the same size as the box (advantage: easy to pack),
4) a longer rigid elbow, like that with the Launch Tube (advantage: can see into bowl),
5) a short 6 inch whip (advantage; easier to pack than long whip),
6) and the long 14 inch whip (like the one provided with the beta; advantage: can shake
unit while drawing).
We seem to have equal numbers of testers claiming that they "love" any one of the above attachment options (only the whip was sent out to the Beta group). The real question is which one(s) to include in the shipped package by default, which ones to treat as optional accessories, and which one to recommend that people use to learn how to use the box? What do people think about this?
Also, in regards to how much to pack in the trench, we recommend filling to near the top with ground material and packing very lightly. The design attempts to ensure optimal heat movement through the material under full, lightly-packed circumstances.
From previous testers, the opinion is that filling only 1/3 or 1/2 of the way may result in somewhat less even heating, less 'sweet' taste, shorter hits, and a requirement of more frequent stirring (shaking the Box with the lid closed between every hit). However, people may be able to get better performance with breath control or different techniques than those we recommend. Your mileage may vary -- please try various usage patterns experimentally and report back.
-- Magic-Flight
In regards to the question of what the breathing attachment "should be", there has been much debate internally and no real resolution yet. The (known) options so far are:
1) nothing, just drawing on the box directly (advantage: no extra parts to pack),
2) a short strait section of tube (advantages: easier to draw; can attach common bendy straw),
3) a short rigid elbow, about the same size as the box (advantage: easy to pack),
4) a longer rigid elbow, like that with the Launch Tube (advantage: can see into bowl),
5) a short 6 inch whip (advantage; easier to pack than long whip),
6) and the long 14 inch whip (like the one provided with the beta; advantage: can shake
unit while drawing).
We seem to have equal numbers of testers claiming that they "love" any one of the above attachment options (only the whip was sent out to the Beta group). The real question is which one(s) to include in the shipped package by default, which ones to treat as optional accessories, and which one to recommend that people use to learn how to use the box? What do people think about this?
Also, in regards to how much to pack in the trench, we recommend filling to near the top with ground material and packing very lightly. The design attempts to ensure optimal heat movement through the material under full, lightly-packed circumstances.
From previous testers, the opinion is that filling only 1/3 or 1/2 of the way may result in somewhat less even heating, less 'sweet' taste, shorter hits, and a requirement of more frequent stirring (shaking the Box with the lid closed between every hit). However, people may be able to get better performance with breath control or different techniques than those we recommend. Your mileage may vary -- please try various usage patterns experimentally and report back.
-- Magic-Flight
Haywood said:
That is an excellent idea! Somehow that concept was missed completely during prototyping -- I will definitely see what can be done about it. Thanks!DeepFried said:
-- Magic-Flight
Parts of it nearer the trench, yes; parts of it -- those farther from the center-line, no.stickstones said:
Hi,Pitzpon said:
Management of the heat is provided by the user, in the form of breath control. This tends to be a far more practical, responsive, and reliable "feedback circuit" than anything that could be built digitally -- especially when different users have different needs. It tends to get around the parallel problems of "is it set right?" and "one setting for everyone" somewhat automatically.
The basic material is Birch wood. The cover is plexi, as are the hard parts of the whip, the remainder of which is silicone. The screen is stainless. As with the Launch Tube, we have made all possible efforts to ensure/guarantee the complete and total health and safety of this device. The Box is durable and practical as well as safe. Purists who insist that absolutely and dogmatically insist that everything be made of only borosilicate glass are gently advised to consider the products of other vendors instead of the Box.
So far as I know, there are no efficiency issues. While the Box is not as efficient as some of our lab bench setups (used for comparison and optimized for that purpose, yet also big and fairly complex), it is definitely efficient enough to reliably do what is required -- every time.
The invisibility of the vapor is partly a function of the small available space in the bowl. A better view may be obtainable in some other way (perhaps as an element of the draw stem). However, the design interest has always been 'effectiveness' rather than 'viability' -- "does it work?", rather than "does it look like its working?". In the interest of stealth, having any vapor be visible is not really that advantageous.
-- Magic-Flight
It should -- that is the idea. The bowl is designed to keep the material inside, even while shaking, so that it is possible to mix/stir the material without having to open the Box or touch anything inside.DeepFried said:
You should think about adding some short of a holder for the battery, that will keep it attached to the unit and out of contact with other metal parts (keys etc), my gf had some rechargeable AAA batteries in her bag and she found out that something in her bag that was very hot, she turned over the whole bag, and found that the heat came off of one of those batteries that was really hot, it closed a circuit with her keys.
if the batteries have no cover at all this would probably happen every time you have something metal other then the batteries in your pocket.
And about the efficiency vs visible vapor ... no one cares if he can see the vapor, and that goes for any unit, only thing that matters is that is does the job good.
if the batteries have no cover at all this would probably happen every time you have something metal other then the batteries in your pocket.
And about the efficiency vs visible vapor ... no one cares if he can see the vapor, and that goes for any unit, only thing that matters is that is does the job good.
max
Out to lunch
You should have made that read 'no one should care'. A lot of people, especially those new to vapor, think 'if I can't see vapor I'm not getting anything'. Vaporizing is so much like smoking that some expect to see vapor like they see smoke, and hit the vape as hard as they want, as if they're hitting a bong.
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A switch is a simple, inexpensive component, so this argument is hard to buy. Of course it's difficult to say what the real reason is, since magicflight has ignored the question.. so I'll ask again:lwien said:
Magic-flight,
Why is there no on/off switch or button on the device?
I'm sure other people are wondering about this as well, and I bet many sales will be lost if the product launches without such a basic feature. Especially after reading that posting describing how any metal object can randomly turn on the device inadvertently.
Acolyte of Zinglon
Wizard-Ninja
thats not true at all, the concern with metallic objects is that theyll bridge the + and - on the battery and short circuit, the unit itsself can be easily turned of or off by pushing/pulling the battery a couple millimeters, or the battery can be turned around (+ side out) to make it so it wont discharge to the unit because of a bump
thanks for the clarification, although the whole idea of disconnecting / reconnecting a battery to turn the thing on and off still seems questionable at bestAcolyte of Zinglon said:
i was looking at the guy's website since I was curious about why this flaw exists in his previous product as well (flight tube?), but even the website provides no explanation..
I don't work for them but I like their products. Who are you, anyway, spooky? You seem to be a shill just to come in here and rain on the MF parade. I'd like to see your beta for an inexpensive portable vape....spooky said:
I don't agree about the on/off switch for the Launch Box. It's not a must have, as for most materials, combustion shouldn't be an issue either. So what are we talking about? One idea of what an on/off button should look like?
Even the PD doesn't have an on/off switch and the whole notion of on/off in vaporizing isn't a quick-release notion either. We are trying to get vaked in here. The switch is you taking the battery out (and reversing it, if you follow the instructions) and putting it positive side into the device and turning it off is taking it out again.
?If any heating element on any device is going to get hot, 'off' is stopping the heating process and beginning the cool-down. Maybe in our nano-future the on/off will mean to start/stop thinking about thc (that's holistic medicine, folks). Right now, we have a cool little wooden vape that requires very little energy to make a chamber of several good hits and MF has asked to focus the convo on thoughts about using the device, not more design suggestions... You may want to look into the Light Bulb Vaporizer - I hear there is an on/off switch on that one...
nope, I don't make vapourizers... and I'm not 'raining on the mf parade'.. i'm just giving honest feedback based on what I see...duh said:
i'll stick with joints if i need something on the go for now, and save my money for a more refined portable when someone introduces one.. this sure won't be it
lwien
Well-Known Member
Ok, let me break it down this way. Originally, the Purple Days had a VERY inexpensive led on the front to indicate that the unit was operational. Didn't add much to the cost, as you say. But after some use, the led's began to fail because of the generated heat in the vape. Now the led's aren't expensive, but covering the postage both ways, along with the labor involved in reinstalling a new one became cost prohibitive, and Tom decided, wisely, to dump the led.spooky said:
Not saying that the switch would have the same issues, but it sure as hell could, and if it was sensitive to heat, they would have to find one that was small enough that was heat resistant, and they may not be as cheap as what you indicate.
So the argument really isn't that hard to buy.
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