MileHighLife
Blower of glass, grower of grass
UD for efficiency using small loads. I have both. The EV-2 is more of a big load/heavy hitter.
Get the nylon stems ...
UD for efficiency using small loads. I have both. The EV-2 is more of a big load/heavy hitter.
Get the nylon stems ...
MysticVaper
Member
Awesome! Thanks.
Thanks for your concern. I know what you mean about the center hot spot. I would stir the material in the bowl after every draw because of it. I personaly like to get as much vape at the lowest temperatures and then hit it with higher temp once I don't get vape at lower. My problem was, I wasn't getting enough cloud on either lower or higher temp. I tried filling the bowl 1/3, 1/4 and even less. I also tapped it as lightly as possible. My conclusion is that the DBV is a great vape for many, just not for me, as I am looking for the highest efficiency plug-in available. I appologize if I offended anyone with my comments.
Hey Mystic,
Those are the two worst vaporizers on the market. And i don't own a DBV anymore.
Funny how you consider yourself a true conoisseur and chose those two POS.
Perhaps you should try the EVO, the Herbalizer, the Nano, the Lotus, the HI, just to name a few before spending 200USD on a vape that lets your herb fall into the element and 400USD on a balloon vape that is a one trick pony that thinks he's still a race horse.
I feel for you man. Delusional much? haha.
Wow! Man I think you may have saved a vaping soul with your suggestion. I went ahead and paid epicvape $193 for a 2week pre-order of the e-nano. Can't wait to get it. They gave me the FCLOVE discount too!!
(Got me the most expensive stem). Thanks for helping a suffering newbie and again please excuse my initial arrogance. Thumbs up!
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TeeJay1952
Well-Known Member
i/4 bowl sucked in not tamped
4 hits 11:30 (sweet)
8 hits 12:30 (full cloud on exhale)
4 Hits 1:30 (very SATISFYING, watch carefully for burning or "popcorn" taste)
All with stir in between each hit
4 hits 11:30 (sweet)
8 hits 12:30 (full cloud on exhale)
4 Hits 1:30 (very SATISFYING, watch carefully for burning or "popcorn" taste)
All with stir in between each hit
VapeNStone
Mark
Ok I admire your opinions and you have the right to express them. But how are you to expect a person to trust in your opinion when you say this right after it? How do they even know if you knew what you were doing and then in turn knew what you were talking about? So then therefore was your opinion really an opinion at all?
Herr_Dampf
Well-Known Member
I think MysticVaper allready got the spanking he deserved, no? He repent, I don't really think its fair to attack him for that.
This issue has been dealt with. Please read to the end of the thread before responding. If a post violates the rules do not respond, report it. Do not post to start or continue a flame.
Also: @MysticVaper, @MileHighLife, and others who might have responded on previous pages: this is the DBV thread. Please take discussions of and/or advice about other vapourizers to their appropriate threads. If you mention another device it should be in the context of the DBV.
VapeNStone
Mark
Actually I did read the end of the thread before I posted. I asked the man a question that was related to the thread as he said he was posting that for newbies.
vorrange
Vapor.wise
@MysticVaper i believe that you should fill the bowl about less than half of its complete volume. I usually stayed in the bottom third. This will help to achieve a more even vaporization and also help you maximize efficiency since less clouds exhaled means more cannabinoids assimilated.
I also think you must be drawing too fast. This is a very common mistake with newbies and one of the reasons for the lack of clouds. I usually start at 9-10pm on the dial for the first hits with a very slow draw and i rolled the wand without leaving it in place so it wouldn't get stuck. After 4-5 hits i would rise to 12pm and finish at 1pm.
Vaporization works better with slow draws.. if you feel resistance or hear whistling sounds while drawing it is probably too fast. It should be silent. There are exceptions to this but it is soon to talk about them.
I also think you must be drawing too fast. This is a very common mistake with newbies and one of the reasons for the lack of clouds. I usually start at 9-10pm on the dial for the first hits with a very slow draw and i rolled the wand without leaving it in place so it wouldn't get stuck. After 4-5 hits i would rise to 12pm and finish at 1pm.
Vaporization works better with slow draws.. if you feel resistance or hear whistling sounds while drawing it is probably too fast. It should be silent. There are exceptions to this but it is soon to talk about them.
MysticVaper
Member
Interesting insight. I probably was drawing too fast. I did fill it to third of bowl mostly and tried even less.
My problem with the draw was, that when I inhaled slow the material started getting too many black marks.
Then again I was starting more at the 10am mark rather than your 9am. Perhaps lowering it closer to 9am might have helped some. I also read in the instructions that you should try to inhale a full-long inhale when you draw. I found it hard to calibrate between taking a very slow draw while filling my lungs quickly enough so as to not run out of breath lol I do tend to be an extremist
If you read to the end of the thread then you knew that his posts had been reported, that he had been warned, that he had apologized, and that I posted with the intent of ending the incident, yet you felt you had to challenge him anyway and then thought it was a good idea to respond to my post. You have nearly 2500 posts here, you should know by now how FC works.
What you should do right now is thank your deity that you didn't get a warning point and take your fingers off the keyboard.
MysticVaper
Member
The whip-hose not fitting in perfectly into the wand bothered me, cus it created a tiny air leak, making the draws more airy.
I always had the sense that 7th floor should design a DBV upgrade whip. The wand could be shorter in length and the diameter should be larger to expose larger area of material to hot air.. It should have a double screen design, maybe even glass-honey-comb screens to maintain its amazing all glass airways and its crispy-fresh taste. This would allow the material to stay completely loose at all times while retaining more exposure of material to the hot air perhaps helping to vaporize it more evenly and therefore efficiently. It'd definately be easier to maintain screens clean on every session at all times. Havent quite thought of how I would go about stirring the material between draws but, you probably get the idea. Patent pending. J/K patent free for grabs! Sort of like the $63 ceramic wand with dual-ceramic-honey-comb-screens (zero metal screens) and medical-grade, airtight-fittiing-whip-hose from VB. Something like that for the DBV.
IMO that would score the DBV a lot more points and make it even better than it probably already is. Some of the whip machines that I've heard getting good reviews like "The Plenty", sort of use the idea of a kind of chamber for the material with some type of screen on either side of the chamber. Even the log vapes sort of vaporize the material in a kinda chamber, if my understanding is correct.
As you can probably tell by now, all my criticism is directed at the whip/wand design of DBV. My whole idea with comparing the DBV to the VB to begin with, was to bring the point home that perhaps, if only for some of us, the standard hands-free whip design of DBV is much inferior in quality and efficiency to that of the VB's latest whip design. That has been my personal experience. Otherwise thumbs up to the DBV in almost every other aspect of its quality/design IMHO. Peace and happy vaping!
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VapeNStone
Mark
That isn't always true. Yes the draw speed matters but so does the heat. The faster you draw the more heat you apply. I used to use my da Buddha on full blast everytime.
hangthedj
Well-Known Member
Need some help here guys: I got my DBV in like, 2010? Maybe late 2009? Never had a problem with it and actually been using it more lately than in the previous few years.
So I was packing it up and accidentally took the L-shaped connector from the heating element off, and there was a single metal piece that fell out, while a wide metal ring was still in the connector. I can't figure out where this one piece goes, and was hoping the FC community could help?
The weird part is I feel like this has happened before and wasn't as hard to line the metal pieces up correctly to make a snug fit.
So I was packing it up and accidentally took the L-shaped connector from the heating element off, and there was a single metal piece that fell out, while a wide metal ring was still in the connector. I can't figure out where this one piece goes, and was hoping the FC community could help?
The weird part is I feel like this has happened before and wasn't as hard to line the metal pieces up correctly to make a snug fit.
Vitolo
Vaporist
It is a shim... a space filler... to keep things snug....there were two is how this sounds.
One stayed inside, and one slipped out.
Manipulate the one that fell out into the other one, so they are both in place, and force the Heater cover back down over the element.
If I misunderstood what fell out, please correct me, or post images.
One stayed inside, and one slipped out.
Manipulate the one that fell out into the other one, so they are both in place, and force the Heater cover back down over the element.
If I misunderstood what fell out, please correct me, or post images.
vorrange
Vapor.wise
I can't understand where is the leak. I can't understand how a leak is possible even. About the bowl, you're talking from your personal experience. I would prefer a shorter, thinner bowl, so instead of 18mm, i would like a 14mm wand.
About the double screen, i fail to see the advantage. The only advantage i see is to completely prevent material from falling back into the element although that only happened to me twice because i coughed accidentaly into the hose.
You keep talking about efficiency regarding the whip but it is more a matter of correlation than causation so i don't completely agree with what you say. The Buddha was not made to conserve, if you wanted a unit made to conserve material you have other options. And much better than the VB.
And VapenStone, we already had this discussion and i'll answer what i answered two years ago:
You can in fact use a faster draw with higher heat without burning your material but it is much harder for a newbie to master it this way, it is much more difficult to have thick hits with little material and it is much more easy to go overboard and combust. So, i'll keep my standard advice of a long slow draw as the best type of draw in most vaporizers, and that includes the Buddha.
hangthedj
Well-Known Member
The problem now is that when I tried to replace it on the heating element, it pushed up the inner metal piece like this:
Burn
Well-Known Member
i've had an :ssv: for a while and have tried it w/different wands, heater covers, etc. and the way i enjoy it best is with the lsv heater cover and either a male/male adapter or the lsv wpa. you can do this w/da buddah too.
if i hit it dry, i set the dial at 1pm and can take nice 3 second draws and exhale thick tasty clouds.
if i use water, i'll take long, steady pulls at 1pm-2pm until i see milk build up then pull faster as needed.
i'll usually hit a load dry for a hit or two than continue and finish with water. big clouds. i prefer this setup over the wands and whip. it's easier, all glass, tasty, efficient. works better for me, but ymmv
@hangthedj -- check this video on shims and heater covers from 7th floor -
http://silversurfervap.com/silver-surfer-vaporizer-information/heater-cover-help.html
if i hit it dry, i set the dial at 1pm and can take nice 3 second draws and exhale thick tasty clouds.
if i use water, i'll take long, steady pulls at 1pm-2pm until i see milk build up then pull faster as needed.
i'll usually hit a load dry for a hit or two than continue and finish with water. big clouds. i prefer this setup over the wands and whip. it's easier, all glass, tasty, efficient. works better for me, but ymmv
@hangthedj -- check this video on shims and heater covers from 7th floor -
http://silversurfervap.com/silver-surfer-vaporizer-information/heater-cover-help.html
Vitolo
Vaporist
That explains it all... and my analysis is correct.
Go in there with a stir tool, or dental type tool and pull it out.
put the shims back together, and hold them at the base of element, then slowly get the HC to encompass them and work the HC back down on top of them both.
Just get in there with a tool and slide the shim back down.
syrupy
Authorized Buyer
Haven't used any others, but the 7th floor bend has held up like a champ.
Also, people still go to head shops?
Edit: I'm posting too slow, this reply was for @xRUFUSx.
I use a double screen. Not worried about material falling into the element. Sometimes the wand comes out when I drop the whip (definition of over-medicated?), and the flowers tumble out.
Also, people still go to head shops?
Edit: I'm posting too slow, this reply was for @xRUFUSx.
I use a double screen. Not worried about material falling into the element. Sometimes the wand comes out when I drop the whip (definition of over-medicated?), and the flowers tumble out.
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MysticVaper
Member
The leak happened right at the connection between the wand and the hose. The hose doesn't fit the wand snug. Instead you have to kind of force the hose in to the inner circumference of the wand, due to fact that the the outer circumference of the hose is larger than the inner circumference of the wand. The hose ends up folding slightly and losing it's circular shape. When it looses its circular shape, it prevents the connection from being hermetically sealed. There's probably tricks to bypass this issue, however it is my impression none the less that the design on their current whip-hose-wand could use some improvements.
hoptimum
Well-Known Member
All you have to do is wet the tubing with a little water and it will slide right in and fit snugly
VapeNStone
Mark
If you take the tubing and run it under some hot water it will loosen up and be able to make a better seal. I know what your talking about though. Hmm maybe this is why you weren't getting good hits?
MysticVaper
Member
I understand what you mean. It is just my opinion that a device of the DBV price range in today's vape world, should have a better whip/wand design.
I tried this a few times. Never got it to fit snug.
hoptimum
Well-Known Member
Without a tight seal you cannot get a good hit
syrupy
Authorized Buyer
It's not just you. Mine has a little folding, but jamming whip as far into the wand as possible helps. Also, once the wand side of the whip gets some honey oil built up, it does get a little stiffer. At least the stock whips are better in this regard than the hi-temp silicon stuff that's on ebay, which gets huge folds in it.