Discontinued The Firefly Vaporizer

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fogbank

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I find that a coarser grind adversely impacts extraction. I get fewer hits and less even browning. Medium to fine grind for me.

I get thorough extraction without "working too hard" because I draw slow and steady.

My battery cover slips off too easily...when I'm replacing the top cover, handling the unit itself, etc...

I have started shortening the "button press" phase of my draw and extending the "post button release" portion of my draw, and so far I have gotten the same great results. I feel that there is a point at which additional power to the coil no longer benefits the process.

Comparing my technique to Vitolo's video, I would say I invert his ratio of pressing/releasing.

I've said it before...my unit seems to produce the bulk of the vapor after I release the button. I let it go and just keep drawing and drawing. I feel it as it gets hotter and denser, plateaus, then tapers off.

By then my lungs are bursting and my eyes are bulging...

Edit: I've never had any "snacks" with the FF.

 
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darkrom

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fogbank said:
I feel that there is a point at which additional power to the coil no longer benefits the process.
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IMO absolutely right. The heat is getting drawn into the bud. When the bowl is hot the bowl is hot, then the heat has to be dissipated when the user pulls it up and into the herb creating the vapor. The button doesn't vape the herb is how I look at it. The button lights a fire under the herbs ass, and the users inhalation directs the hot air where it needs to be.
 
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steama said:
There is a trade-off using a coarser grind (less vapor yield maybe?) as this thread is evidence I have been an advocate of using a medium grind for best results. Over time using the Firefly I began to feel a harshness to the vapor so I began going to a very coarse grind and the harshness has disappeared. For me the trade-off is the possibility of getting a bit 'more' out of my herbs or enjoying them more. I pick enjoying them more. Hell, I spill more than I could waste in the Firefly.
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I couldnt agree more. Flavor is so important! And I feel that when frinding a lot of volatiles are lost to the air that are kept in freshly hand ground herb. After the first two hits I use a short wooden skewer to stir the bowl and break it up further then use the skewer to sweep everything back into the bowl that has fallen out onto the chrome plate from the stirring. It has become a nice ritual for me.
 
Vitolo

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Grind into flour in a electric grinder, and bake with it.
eat it straight
Pour it into sauces or into smoothies.
make ABV Cannabutter.
make edible everclear tincture (you can even evaporate that down to edible "tar" that you can swallow in a ball or in a piece of tissue or capsule)
It is already decarboxylated... you can throw it down your pie hole as it is!

Vito's take on ABV
 
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steama said:
There is a trade-off using a coarser grind (less vapor yield maybe?) as this thread is evidence I have been an advocate of using a medium grind for best results. Over time using the Firefly I began to feel a harshness to the vapor so I began going to a very coarse grind and the harshness has disappeared. For me the trade-off is the possibility of getting a bit 'more' out of my herbs or enjoying them more. I pick enjoying them more. Hell, I spill more than I could waste in the Firefly.
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There is a def sweet spot to the grind.
I acrualy prefer packin it tight for longer slower sessions and looser and finer for a quick on the go pick me up.

I must have really good lung capacity because I can easily pull pieces through the air path if I try.

This device never ceases to amaze me how many different styles techniques grinds ect change the device 360* in what it can and will do. This is definatly a device with many many facets and very stylish complexity yet so simple at the same time. I am loving it :)
 
Mynameismud

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Vitolo said:
Grind into flour in a electric grinder, and bake with it.
eat it straight
Pour it into sauces or into smoothies.
make ABV Cannabutter.
make edible everclear tincture (you can even evaporate that down to edible "tar" that you can swallow in a ball or in a piece of tissue or capsule)
It is already carbolated... you can throw it down your pie hole as it is!

Vito's take on ABV
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I know this is kind of off topic, but you have just grinded the abv into a flour consistency and then just throw it into something? And you get good results? I always cook it in butter but if you can avoid that step it would make things alot easier...

Well 3rd FF will be here tomorrow. Ive calmed down a bit and think ill give it one more try. I really want this to work for me as well as others have
 
fernand

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And how much? What is the per dose amount of ABV (that knocks you out)? Is the effect strictly sedative or does it retain some of the head-high and personality of the vaped strains?
 
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Quetzalcoatl

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Mynameismud said:
I know this is kind of off topic, but you have just grinded the abv into a flour consistency and then just throw it into something? And you get good results? I always cook it in butter but if you can avoid that step it would make things alot easier...

Well 3rd FF will be here tomorrow. Ive calmed down a bit and think ill give it one more try. I really want this to work for me as well as others have
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And how much? What is the per dose amount of ABV (that knocks you out)? Is the effect strictly sedative or does it retain some of the head-high and personality of the vaped strains?
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I'm not sure where the "ABV General" thread is but to keep it short:

Yes I've toss-and-wash'ed ABV (put it in mouth, swallow with water). I've put it in capsules to the same effect, as well as infusing it in butter/alcohol.

Dose depends on tolerance and how well-vaped your material is. With my LB I would vape to my desired level and then eat around 1-1.5g maybe more. Very empty and sedating stone, really gives me cotton mouth but super easy to fall asleep and I get the munchies something fierce.
 
Vapzilla

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fogbank said:
My battery cover slips off too easily...when I'm replacing the top cover, handling the unit itself, etc...
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With your battery cover on check if you can see that one side has a larger gap between the cover and the track that it slides into, that's how mine was. I could also see the misalignment where the top of the cover meets the back of the FF's body, was at a slight angle, raised towards one side. I think the gap on mine was larger on the power on/off button side.

I'm kinda OCD so that gap bothered me as well as the cover being to loose.

So try this, remove the cover and battery. There are two torq screws holding the black battery housing/side slide channels (for the cover). Loosen them up a little and apply some pressure to the high side/large gap side. Mine actually popped down and seated to where it should have been. I guess even if you don't see a larger gap on one side, do make sure that the black battery/slide housing is seated all the way down. Re-tighten the screws and try it out.
My gap was gone, all the cover seams look perfect and it now fits snug without moving while handling this wonderful device!
Hope it helps you and others out that may have the same problem.
 
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Vitolo said:
Grind into flour in a electric grinder, and bake with it.
eat it straight
Pour it into sauces or into smoothies.
make ABV Cannabutter.
make edible everclear tincture (you can even evaporate that down to edible "tar" that you can swallow in a ball or in a piece of tissue or capsule)
It is already carbolated... you can throw it down your pie hole as it is!

Vito's take on ABV
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I chew then swallow it :) im that kid that ate the burnt popcorn kernals! :) waste not, want not!!
 
havealight101

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WildChild said:
as there are still so many goodies left by the end of a session.
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Hey Wild, will you please stop saying this as fact.
While I feel bad that the FF didn't work out for you, I find the point that you keep eluding to, to not be true, thats just me..
To me, from reading the whole thread, it seems like there is definitely some variations in temperature from unit to unit.
This accompanied with the fact that everyone's technique is different, makes it very hard for me to say "this thing leaves a bunch of actives left over" without me knowing that is just my experience with 1 or 2 units.
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Mynameismud

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havealight101 said:
Hey Wild, will you please stop saying this as fact.
While I feel bad that the FF didn't work out for you, I find the point that you keep eluding to, to not be true, thats just me..
To me, from reading the whole thread, it seems like there is definitely some variations in temperature from unit to unit.
This accompanied with the fact that everyone's technique is different, makes it very hard for me to say "this thing leaves a bunch of actives left over" without me knowing that is just my experience with 1 or 2 units.
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Yeah i agree. My replacement unit got my materials to black, near combustion. And that was with me barely heating it up. I know that something was wrong with mine, but there definitely was very little if anything left in it.

Im still baffled by this just swallowing or chewing abv. I dont mind the taste so ive been wasting all this time cooking it in butter over the years! Got some more questions, pms coming @Quetzalcoatl @Vitolo
 
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havealight101 said:
Hey Wild, will you please stop saying this as fact.
While I feel bad that the FF didn't work out for you, I find the point that you keep eluding to, to not be true, thats just me..
To me, from reading the whole thread, it seems like there is definitely some variations in temperature from unit to unit.
This accompanied with the fact that everyone's technique is different, makes it very hard for me to say "this thing leaves a bunch of actives left over" without me knowing that is just my experience with 1 or 2 units.
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Couldn't agree more. Saying "I can't get the last couple hits out on this device," and saying it can't be done are two very different things. A manually controlled vape is sure to provide different experiences to different people.

I remember when I got my T1 and people were saying it couldn't get as thorough an extraction as the Solo. Then I got a Solo and found out that I could get a deeper extraction out of the T1 (with multiple better changes). I couldn't get (or more accurately, I gave up trying) a full extraction out of the TV Evo or Cera. Others say they can though and I have no reason to doubt their experiences.

The last hits taste like shit anyway so if you can tame the tight-arse within, you'll have a much better experience.
 
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Well, I gotto go find the puppy, I have so much black or dark gear like that and cables that I just about have to follow the charger cable to find the little blue LED ;-)
 
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stronggside

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Is anyones mouth piece (metal) becoming SLIGHTLY loose?

I guess it may be from use (use it a l o t)

Just wondering do you think in worst case scenario. If the mouth piece were to fall off would I be able to re-inssert it by my lonesome?

Gets me upset thinking about firefly getting hurt :(
 
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monkeychopkick

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Hi all, newbie here. I just purchased a Firefly at the local shop here, and wanted to share my thoughts.

Let me qualify this post by saying I have only used 2 vaporizers: a wand type one, and the Magic Flight. I didn't get much of a result from the wand type (only used it once) and, though some may disagree, didn't really enjoy the Magic Flight much.

I purchased the Firefly after reading all of your informative posts (actually only made it to page 38), and felt like it was exactly what I was looking for.

I'll keep basic details short, as it has been posted multiple times. Yes, build quality is great. Yes, it is hefty. Yes, if you want something a little more stealthy, Pax might be a better choice.

Medium grind, 4-10 seconds on the button, release 2/3s of the way, slow long draw.

The thing I really wanted to share is the taste (cool vape, great taste), and the effectiveness of extraction (clouds). Everything I have read on FC about this product is for real.

For me, personal use, handheld, cord free, high quality, effective, great taste, good looks, this product is tops.

Just wanted to share my positive experience to contribute to the info shared here on FC.

Thanks so much to everyone for all your info contribution.
 
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fernand

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Hey @stronggside you cool. Look at page 81 of this thread, there are photos. The mouthpiece is held on like everything in this class act, with screws. No problem removing or fastening it, or even taking it out and replacing it with a different type. Look at the little Torx screws, get yourself a little Chinese set to fit them, you need like the low numbers 3,4 etc with a handle, and you'll be strippin' that weapon blindfolded in the dark just to make you feel good. Long story made short: not to worry, mate.
 
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WildChild

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havealight101 said:
Hey Wild, will you please stop saying this as fact.
While I feel bad that the FF didn't work out for you, I find the point that you keep eluding to, to not be true, thats just me..
To me, from reading the whole thread, it seems like there is definitely some variations in temperature from unit to unit.
This accompanied with the fact that everyone's technique is different, makes it very hard for me to say "this thing leaves a bunch of actives left over" without me knowing that is just my experience with 1 or 2 units.
:2c:
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I have yet to hear of someone who has completely depleted their herb using the FF (unless they combusted). Sorry if you don't like that but it's the truth. I get to share my experiences too.

Not every post is going to be bunnies and sunshine.

Happy vaping.
 
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Mrmrmrmr

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I have read several reports of people depleted their herb completely as you say towards the beginning of the thread. I would read the entire content of this thread before voicing opinions that you believe are factual
 
mitchgo61

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After much hand-wringing, I pulled the trigger on a second FF last night. (Spurred in part by the fact that inventories seemed to be low lately...only the red is in stock now.) I really wanted a red one, even back to before getting my first dark grey (which magically turned silver when I got a replacement). I had been thinking about a Pax, off and on, but I really have gotten to the point where I kinda hate conduction vape taste (not as much as combustion, of course)... I recently dug out my VB2 to play with, and damn, I pretty much hate that thing. The taste is AWFUL. Made me run back to the FF.

So a second FF for backup and general use seemed a better use of money than a Pax. And of course my silver FF will keep me busy till Red arrives. Be interesting to see if there are any temp profile differences between the two.
 
Vitolo

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WildChild said:
I have yet to hear of someone who has completely depleted their herb using the FF (unless they combusted). Sorry if you don't like that but it's the truth. I get to share my experiences too.
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I have completely depleted my load EVERY time I have used the FF.
Every time!
Dark even and brown ABV every time.
We get the idea... you don't like your FF.
WildChild said:
Not every post is going to be bunnies and sunshine.
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I do not mind hearing about bad experiences, but it gets old when the same members keep popping in every few posts to remind us that they did not like their unit. We get the idea. Some did not like their unit.
Post your disdain once and move on.
Mrmrmrmr said:
I have read several reports of people depleted their herb completely as you say towards the beginning of the thread. I would read the entire content of this thread before voicing opinions that you believe are factual
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@Mrmrmrmr Thank you!

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