Advanced E-cig users and oil/wax, how-to "one-hitter-quitter"

OK! I took my laptop to some internet to post up some pics as I said I would, so here goes...

First pic is of my modified protank atty. Its hard to tell but inside it is now running a 4/5 braided wrapped 28 awg. Keep in mind that I removed the top straw cap from the housing to reveal the coil. I also removed the spare silica wick I keep laying on top of it in order to keep it running smooth.



Next, my Igo-W. Same coil braided and wrapped but with 6/7 wraps.





On battery base



And the coil firing!



Both work amazingly for me, beautiful taste and performance from both atty's now

What ohm are you guys using for concentrate (not juice). I thought someone said 0.5 I feel like that is way to low.

I am trying to find an RDA made of 100% stainless steel (including the posts). Once I find one I plan on joining the fun and experimenting to find an ideal setup.

I am runnin mine with dual coils at about .45 ohms right now, delivers huge clouds, like small personal weather system status. Definitely overkill for most people and can eat concentrate like nobody's business. I would suggest starting at above 1 ohm depending on the delivery you are trying to achieve.

arrr said:

What ohm are you guys using for concentrate (not juice). I thought someone said 0.5 I feel like that is way to low.

I am trying to find an RDA made of 100% stainless steel (including the posts). Once I find one I plan on joining the fun and experimenting to find an ideal setup.

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1.2 ohm wraps do it for me for separate dual coils or alternatively twisting 2 or 3 wires together for one .6 ohm coil.

I've now run 11 grams through the same SS mesh wick and am still getting consistant, albeit muted flavor. its pictured a few posts up a page ago or so and a couple other times throughout thread

0.47 ohms dual coils 2mm diameter. I can't wait for my new cap to come with 1.5mm holes instead of my 2.3mm holes now (too much airflow)

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I like it hot.

i havent started building yet but i believe it will be right at around 1 ohm

A word to the wise for anyone who would like to learn from my mistake. I was running my protank atty with a modified coil of 28 g dual braided wire. The 28 g braid is too large and sharp for the small rubber grommet separating the positive abd negative nodes... So as time and temperature do their work, the negative line works it's way through the grommet and shorts the atty... Not good...

To fix I went up (down?) to a 32g dual braid with 7/8 wraps that not only performs on par with the old 28, but may just deliver slightly better tasting vapor, but not as hot, which I guess isn't bad, it's definitely enough vapor for me and well more smoke then a cigarette smoke gets from a cig... Not that I would consider myself a "cloud chaser", I've just never been satisfied with the poor throat hits delivered by ego type batteries and attys.

But back on my topic, if anyone knows where I can find a much stronger resilient grommet replacement, please post links by all means... This week point is limiting kanger atty rebuilds, and probably applies to most similar set up attys.

thanks again everyone for all the help!

Btw, I'm not sure what the resistance is in my igo-w , pictured above, I don't have an ohm meter and yes I know it's imperative that I get one building coils... All in due time

@2clicker and others, thanks for the kind answers. I quit cigs and have been vaping e-cigs for 3 years. Just recently I was re-commended into returning to the mother arms of the Holy Plant. My, but things have improved! So forgive me, I'm trying to situate. I'm mostly vaping buds on a FireFly. It vapes a divine, just fantastic, flavor, especially for a portable. With flowers that average almost 20% Delta Nine, this is plenty good enough for me. And did I say? ah! the taste! So that's baseline.

I'm pretty sure that the O-pen-Vape pre-filled cartomizers do objectively taste pretty nasty, but then again I find Propylene Glycol unattractive. I only vape my own e-liquids that use 100% Vegetable Glycerin. But it's not just the PG they use, it's harsh and bitter and industrial. Maybe it's inevitable if e-cig gear isn't well-adapted to vaping cannabinoids? I would guess that in addition the botanicals used to make these oils and waxes are hardly a buds-only affair, some of the nastiness has a sort of stemmy chlorophylly taste. So how can you tell in advance at a dispensary which ones - any? - are truly made from flowers?

But I also found that if I used my FireFly convection portable with a "liquid pad" (of fine gauge bronze wool) to vape wax, it heated up gradually and distilled like a specific fraction at each toke. It tasted much much better, great at times, which suggests an e-cig vape coil is probably burning stuff?

And can someone pretty please explain, in all the oil and wax techniques I see, from nail to hotwire, where the metal is blazing hot, isn't resin being vaporized by intense boiling with some burning? So how does it avoid tasting burnt? With a Genisis etc can it wick fast enough to keep that coil from glowing red? See my confusion? And what happens on a nail? Is it that a drop seals and bursts into vapor so fast it doesn't have time to burn?

Thanks, guys.

Hey, @kingtut106 what next? In that atty in that great picture how are you going to feed them hungry coils? Will they glow like that with the substance, or does the melt quench it like an e-cig liquid?
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fernand said:

@2clicker

And can someone pretty please explain, in all the oil and wax techniques I see, from nail to hotwire, where the metal is blazing hot, isn't resin being vaporized by intense boiling with some burning? So how does it avoid tasting burnt? With a Genisis etc can it wick fast enough to keep that coil from glowing red? See my confusion? And what happens on a nail? Is it that a drop seals and bursts into vapor so fast it doesn't have time to burn?

Thanks, guys.

Hey, @kingtut106 what next? In that atty in that great picture how are you going to feed them hungry coils? Will they glow like that with the substance, or does the melt quench it like an e-cig liquid?
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the melt definitely quenches it, and unlike e-liquid, concentrate doesnt put off as much vapor (at least for me yet, maybe im not hot enough ) but in order to avoid any resin and burning your coils have to be past a certain temperature so the concentrates do not have time to resinate and solidify to the coil in a nasty carbon-y mess. it goes straight from liquid(ish) to vapor and that's how you avoid burnt taste, and obviously not using combustibles which only add aforementioned nastiness. But eventually over time things do develop a thick film of half resinated waxes and oils. (this happens because the temps get past 250 degrees or so and activates the THC and cbds, but does not vaporize the, what would be, by-product)

i myself ran into problems with resin building up on silica so ive moved on to SS mesh wicks as king tut is using. I only just barely got some diluted concentrate w/ PG to work in a genesis/kayfun style atomizer, but I did not build too many coils for it. I found that it being diluted did not trick my brain into wanting to smoke any less. damnit. Plenty of people on these forums default to the old Kiss cartomizers and ceramic cup esolid type atomizers, which are now even on Fast TEch.

as far as being able to tell if it was an only bud run, you have to ask and hope they are honest. Harborside in Oakland has always tested their products and you get straight up numbers regarding pottencies, but i dont think many places have this available.

Also, I wont post a link because it's a bit tacky and might be against rules, but I have listed some new style atomizers on ebay. they are pretty great, one of them is almost a direct origen clone, which i saw on ebay for 55 bucks so i put it up for under 40.

I wish you would, give me some info to find your attys. Is it for e-liquid or hemp extracts?

I tried a little ceramic cup with a transverse coil that I lowered as much as i could in the cup, and a bit to the side, tried gooping wax on it, melted it with a little torch, then fired it at 3.2 volts. Sucker went red hot before the wick got in the act, the melt just kind of melted, a big cloud of vapor ensued, I inhaled it, and I couldn't stop coughing for several minutes -- the taste was like a discount roofing job. My wife (who is very supportive) comes running and goes "you shouldn't smoke this toxic waste, stick to flowers, it smelled like a tar pit all the way in the kitchen". Duh.

The same wax on a little doormat in the FireFly vapes gradually and very tasty. A pinhead lasts many tokes.

But I'm still trying to comprehend how people are using these "skillets".

fernand said:

I wish you would, give me some info to find your attys.

I tried a little ceramic cup with a transverse coil that I lowered as much as i could in the cup, tried gooping wax on it, melted it with a little torch, then fired it at 3.2 volts. Sucker went red hot before the wick got in the act, the melt just kind of melted, a big cloud of vapor ensued, I inhaled it, and I couldn't stop coughing for several minutes -- the taste was like a discount roofing job. My wife (who is very supportive) comes running and goes "you shouldn't smoke this toxic waste, stick to flowers, it smelled like a tar pit all the way in the kitchen". Duh.

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well i can give you the brand name and give her a search in ebay. Orieco is the name. havent seen em here in the states yet. i also have up the ceramic type cup atomizer and battery kits on there too, but again im not trying to use this forum as a place to peddle my wares. i will tell you were to get it from the source if you are willing to wait for it (alibaba)

whats awesome is i just discovered my mostly unused patriot top cap fits on even more snugly than the default for the one called the raid-b, which i am loving, only thing is FT version of the patriot comes with only one airhole, need about 3 more lol. pretty sick havin a quad coil patriot though

I don't get more vapor running .3-.5 but I find that it just performs better. Heats up quicker, vapes more completely and quicker. Kind of like the difference between Ti and Glass/Quartz nails.

I feel with glass/quartz you need to kind of roll the dab on there for a few seconds to get it all where with Ti it vapes soon as it hits. With the .8-1.2 single coil builds I was having to mash on the firing button for a little longer and the longer heat up time was giving me issues with dabs rolling off the coils. The .3-.5 dual coil builds vape off everything pretty much immediately similar to a Ti nail and hardly any oil rolls off the coils.

interesting that kind of goes against what I thought happened in my head, I always imagined a little bit of a "roll on" time from the battery current would be beneficial in slowly melting things more and more before it finally kicked on full blast. I had developed a habit of tapping on the fire switch 2-3 times before holding it down; good to know though, thank you

You're not totally wrong...I do find it works better if the oil is somewhat melted onto the coil. To do that I heat it up with nothing on it and then spread the dab on after it has mostly cooled. Just enough heat to melt the dab slightly so that it stays in place.

indeed this also works just as well for me

Aw, shucks, local boy! @smatchimo55, I preferentially shop at Harborside too. Their $40 SM is what tastes like Bhopal on various eGo attached contraptions. But, wow, you Nail emulation cosmonauts are way out of my league. Why not forget all this sissy stuff and go to 120 volt and those cylindrical ceramic/metal heating elements? Mount it in glassware. Just let it warm it up, and keep it powered, forget the whole pulse school approach. Permanent nail.

BTW, what IS it about titanium?

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Yeah I thought I noticed that in the pic, but sawing it in half would be necessary to make it fit in the igo-w. Would one be required to use these leads? Or could the desired goal be achieved by wrapping coil around the half of exposed ceramic and not using the one with the lead?

I'm probably gonna wind up getting one just to satisfy my curiosity...

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The leads are necessary to make the rod heat up.

I'm trying to picture what you mean by wrapping a coil around half of it to get it to work. The rod has 2 metal leads ... a positive and a negative. Inside the ceramic rod there is a resistor. If the rod is broken it will be impossible to complete the circuit.

If your looking for a ceramic wick to wrap a coil around check out the fc-2000 wick.





On a side note I have a brick of the aluminum oxide porous ceramic and some 24ga ti gr2 wire I will be testing out tomorrow ... if I'm not too couch-locked from my Luna which is also scheduled for delivery tomorrow

Is this the wire you all are using for your RDA? http://www.temcoindustrialpower.com/products/Resistance_Wire/RW0118.html

Also where are you buying the stainless steel mesh wicks?

Thanks,

i always got mine from here, i didnt notice the price dropped on it.

click here for ss mesh

Hi guys. My first post. Great forum!
Al from Ca.
New to portable vapes. I only smoke plant based concentrates, wax, etc.. (no ecig juice).
Currently using a little pen and having to replace the atomizers quite often and the airflow is awful. I also am not a fan of the design and the way my wax turns dark brown and wells up in the ceramic reservoir on either side of the coil. Can I scoop that stuff back up and smoke it/vape it (whatever)?

I looked in depth at this thread and frankly got scared off. I want easy. All this stuff looks kinda involved.
Do I really need resistance meters, circuit testers, and various other devices to build a proper vape? Can I buy one already assembled and then just use the same amount of coil wraps when it comes time to rebuild as to avoid having to spend a bunch of loot on meters etc..

Isn't the PAX a rebuildable wick system? Is that easier than all of this?

Sorry for my ignorance. I know very little. But I'm going broke replacing these crappy little atomizers.

beatdigger said:

Hi guys. My first post. Great forum!
Al from Ca.
New to portable vapes. I only smoke plant based concentrates, wax, etc.. (no ecig juice).
Currently using a little pen and having to replace the atomizers quite often and the airflow is awful. I also am not a fan of the design and the way my wax turns dark brown and wells up in the ceramic reservoir on either side of the coil. Can I scoop that stuff back up and smoke it/vape it (whatever)?

I looked in depth at this thread and frankly got scared off. I want easy. All this stuff looks kinda involved.
Do I really need resistance meters, circuit testers, and various other devices to build a proper vape? Can I buy one already assembled and then just use the same amount of coil wraps when it comes time to rebuild as to avoid having to spend a bunch of loot on meters etc..

Isn't the PAX a rebuildable wick system? Is that easier than all of this?

Sorry for my ignorance. I know very little. But I'm going broke replacing these crappy little atomizers.

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its not expensive

you can pay for the "easy" of disposable carts or you can buy:

10 dollar ohm meter
20 dollars on 4 sony batteries
20 on a good charger
23 dollars or less on mod / atty combo on a budget
8 for wire and
4 for mesh

Less than 100 easy for a vape device that will last you at least one year with above materials; I spent 60 on my first "vape pen" and wont divulge how many I've gone through. I spent that much on a MFLB that I didnt even enjoy that much.

That being said, all listed above is a bare minimum, and if you dont want to spend the time to learn to use it safely and efficiently I would stick to prepacked vapes.

In my newest deep well build i am getting a lot of that liquid, i hate it, but scoop it up with gusto and vape and cough away. I'm about to change things up though. Havent put even 1/3 what i did my last coil and hating the build up. I think i just have to use less deep wells or use all 4 available coils.

Heres a pic, so this post isnt all jibba jabba.

kingtut106 said:

0.47 ohms dual coils 2mm diameter. I can't wait for my new cap to come with 1.5mm holes instead of my 2.3mm holes now (too much airflow)

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I just now noticed in this picture your left coil is touching the center post nullifying one of your wraps, hence it glowing more, yet not at all on the first one coming out of positive. in addition, this could melt your insulator quickly

The new cap I ordered off of cap it all vapes, the fauxgatti cap for my patriot rba will not fit . I ordered new o rings hoping that this is the issue, but has anyone else heard of companies making caps of atomizers that are off by a 1mm in dimensions?

$10 ohm meter
20 dollars on 4 sony batteries
20 on a good charger
23 dollars or less on mod / atty combo on a budget
8 for wire and
4 for mesh

Less than 100 easy for a vape device that will last you at least one year with above materials; I spent 60 on my first "vape pen" and wont divulge how many I've gone through. I spent that much on a MFLB that I didnt even enjoy that much.

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On average, how often do you have to rebuild your coils?