Indica or Sativa for vaporizing ?

DeepFried

DeepFried

A Legend in my Own Mind
max said:
It would be interesting to know if the boiling temerature that you have copy-pasted are the boiling temperatures under vacuum conditions or normal (Vacuum pressure).
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Since I have no source for the temp chart, I have no way of knowing.
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I posted this information originally in this thread http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=627

the information was taken from a 2001 study by John M. McPartland and Ethan B. Russo titled "Cannabis and Cannabis Extracts:Greater Than the Sum of Their Parts?" I have a .pdf copy, just email me and i'll send it to you.

Boiling/melting points (MP) recorded at atmospheric pressure (760 mmHg)
 
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luchiano

luchiano

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DeepFried said:
max said:
It would be interesting to know if the boiling temerature that you have copy-pasted are the boiling temperatures under vacuum conditions or normal (Vacuum pressure).
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Since I have no source for the temp chart, I have no way of knowing.
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I posted this information originally in this thread http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=627

the information was taken from a 2001 study by John M. McPartland and Ethan B. Russo titled "Cannabis and Cannabis Extracts:Greater Than the Sum of Their Parts?" I have a .pdf copy, just email me and i'll send it to you.

Boiling/melting points (MP) recorded at atmospheric pressure (760 mmHg)
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http://www.mikuriya.com/can_vapor.html

This is weird that they find the boiling point of thc-9 at 314f because the merck index list it at 392f but as Tod H.Mikuriya states other versions of thc vaporize at lower temperatures.

"While the Merck Index lists delta 1, 9THC as vaporizing at 392 F, the actual subjective experience is that the vaporization of cannabinoids is a function of temperature and amount. While delta 1, 9 THC may vaporize at that temperature the other cannabinoids go into vapor phases at temperatures significantly below.

Starting at room temperature in a bud trimming room with significant exposed crude cannabis affects me and others not adapted to ambient levels of cannabis vapor. With granulated crude cannabis supplemented with condensed refined resin vaporization takes place at lower temperatures. (190 - 200 F).

Using a Vriptech with a Steinel HG 3002LCD at 360 F appears optimal. Between 360 and 390F there appears to be irritative pyrollytic degradation products out gassing. There is agreement with users at the 390 F and above there are pyrollytic.

I would strongly recommend that all cannabis centers utilize vaporization to screen and categorize products to better detect pesticide residues or other contaminants. "
 
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tdavie

tdavie

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I use my Iolite and MFLB, save the ABV and then reuse it in the Extreme. Yes, at lower temperatures I'm aiming for less of a sedative type of effect (mostly analgesic, antinflammatory and euphoric); but then when I want the sedation or calming, I do the following.

-preheat E at 230 for about 10 minutes
-put the cyclone bowl loaded with ~0.5g of ABV on the E and let sit for about 5 minutes
-drop the temp to 210
-collect 2 bags which is almost guaranteed to finish off the evening for me and put me to bed.

In short, it all depends on what you are looking for when you vape because you do have some control over it. I prefer hybrids or pure Indica myself though.

Tom
 
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Samsquanch

Samsquanch

Vapor Astronaut
tdavie said:
I use my Iolite and MFLB, save the ABV and then reuse it in the Extreme. Yes, at lower temperatures I'm aiming for less of a sedative type of effect (mostly analgesic, antinflammatory and euphoric); but then when I want the sedation or calming, I do the following.

-preheat E at 230 for about 10 minutes
-put the cyclone bowl loaded with ~0.5g of ABV on the E and let sit for about 5 minutes
-drop the temp to 210
-collect 2 bags which is almost guaranteed to finish off the evening for me and put me to bed.

In short, it all depends on what you are looking for when you vape because you do have some control over it. I prefer hybrids or pure Indica myself though.

Tom
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same as above , personally , I find Sativas always vape better than Indicas :2c:
 
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lwien

lwien

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Wow, this thread's got some legs.

For me, I just get the best that's available at the dispensary at the time and mix them together into a salad. For some odd reason, the mix always seems better than vaping a single strain, so my recommendation is to get a good Indica and a good Sativa and mix those puppies up. :brow:
 
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HazyDayz

HazyDayz

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Interesting thread.

I've been thinking about this myself. Havn't vaped yet, waiting for my first vapes to arrive, but when they do I have a couple of high grade strains to test out. I have a sativa with a THC content of 22% and CBD content of 0.6%, and a popular medicinal indica strain which has a THC content of 11% and CBD content of 1.6%.

Judging by studies thats been done vaping is efficent at extracting the THC so I'm thinking I should get a better head buzz from the sativa strain seeing as it has double the THC content? On the other hand even though the indica has much higher CBD levels I might not feel a better body buzz from it if i'm using a vape that runs at about 180c-195c, as I believe lots of CBD's don't vaporize at these temps so much of the medicinal goodness would be lost? It would be a shame if this is the case, I enjoyed couch-lock sometimes and used to alternate strains depending what result I wanted and was planning to do the same using my vape.

Have many people felt significant differences between strains say using a PD?
 
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Samsquanch

Samsquanch

Vapor Astronaut
Ok , if were gonna talk about set temp vapes and strains then . My iolite is set to 190c , I think thats the same temp as a pd (not sure) . With the iolite , sativas are more effectivly vaped than indicas , hands down , period . If i wanna enjoy my indica it goes into the Q starting at 200c .
 
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mnmlh

mnmlh

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With my MyrtleZap - sativas all the way! I think they are a better fit. Even with the 12v, indicas leave me a little too sleepy. If I vape a mostly sativa plant, I can soar all day and end up using less material too.
 
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hopandstop

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I'm with lwien. Mixing and matching the better sativas/indicas is the way to go. I tried indica-dominant and sativa-dominant hybrids with mixed results; some were great and you really did get the best of both worlds but more often than not, they were just OK.
 
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lwien

lwien

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Yup. For those that haven't tried a salad, give it a shot and report back. You may be pleasantly surprised.
 
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AGBeer

AGBeer

Lost in Thought
Most of my blends are just that - blends. Because I use so little now, I tend to have a large sack of mids and get an eighth of something killer here and there.

Its nice to play with the killer buds at first but after that it all goes into a blend for my regular vaping sesh.
 
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stark1

stark1

Lonesome Planet
Lessee. From the discussion in this thread, I garnered if I am interested primarily in vaporizing THC, say with the LB, the first four or five seconds would bring out the wisps of THC laden vapors from the Sativa @ approx 315 F. Let cool. Repeat. ETC.

If interested in being totally baked, let the battery heat the Indica longer, releasing the CBD et al around 365-374 F.

Gottcha.

(Now I if I can dig oot my IR thermometer and try to estimate F/sec between 310 F, and 370 F on a 1/2 trench. Sounds like an interesting, kewl, project...... on the LB. Chance 2 get totally vaked.... if I can get it right. Somehow. :ko:)
 
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Deadhead101

Deadhead101

I am the Vapor King--I can do anything
I usually have really good hybrids that I vape with my PD. Some strains seem better than others--usually the seemingly higher sativa content strains get me more elevated. Today, however, I tried some Cali Mist which I believe is a very dominant sativa strain. All I can say is wow. Today was the best I've felt in a while. I just genuinely felt good. Even post main effects, I felt jolly and light-hearted.

My question to other Fuck Combustioners is this: if forced to chose one would you pick a sativa or an indica(or a hybrid), and for what reasons? Keep vaping everyone. It's the only way to find out.
 
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lwien

lwien

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Being that I've found that a salad of an Indica and a Sativa works better than either one separately, and even better than a hybrid, I think I'll stick with what works best.............for me.

But for tolerance issues, I'll vape a pure strain every once in awhile just to help change things up a tad.
 
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Deadhead101

Deadhead101

I am the Vapor King--I can do anything
When contemplating this now I'm thinking about a scene in Curb Your Enthusiasm when Larry David quotes someone saying that "in a good compromise both sides are unhappy". I think that this is kind of true for your salad theory assuming you can get similar efficiencies from the pure extreme end of the spectrum "types" of strains when vaping (which arises a different question/variable). When you mix the two you get a both of both worlds in a sense, which is good and all but not always what I prefer.

I think what this all means is different strokes for different folks. I do however believe that Sativas get me more vertical, so I'm gonna seek them when I can get my hands on 'em.
 
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lwien

lwien

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Deadhead101 said:
When contemplating this now I'm thinking about a scene in Curb Your Enthusiasm when Larry David quotes someone saying that "in a good compromise both sides are unhappy". I think that this is kind of true for your salad theory
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Love Curb and Larry David. Watched it all the time, but in my situation, I look at it as more of a compliment rather than a compromise.
 
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Nosferatu

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I dont think its necessarily true that THC is the more uppedy clear headed high and CBN/CBDs are the more lazy couch lock high. THC is the psychedelic property and I think it is what causes the most confusion of the high. The CBD/CBNs are the physical property of the high, the body effects. They would counteract the THC in a way making you feel more grounded and in your body. THC alone is basically the same effects of any psychedelic just way milder. If you vape only THC(356F I believe), there would be no body high just a trippy mind high, but no one vapes that low, we mostly vape at 374 at least I think. So we are getting the CBNs and so on.

And with a variable temp vape and going over 400F I can tell the difference of strains and Indica/sativa. I dont feel stopping at 385F is hot enough to get all the unique aspects of the cannabis. Even though yes you might also be getting mildy unhealthy things. At least you dont get a monotone buzz and cant differentiate the difference of buds. People are so scared to vape at high temps, but its not as bad as you think. Only at 448F are you getting byproducts of combustion. A user here sent me a chart showing all this but I'm not supposed to post it here....and of course this is all my views not fact.
 
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Snafu

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lwien said:
Sativas has a higher THC content than Indicas. which have a higher CBD content, and being that vaping primarily targets THC, does it make sense that Sativa's would be the better choice for vaporizing?
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can you point me to proof on your statement that sativas have more THC content then indicas?
 
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Nycdeisel

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the way I see it(just my opinion here of course) it would be better to vape an Indica. since I myself would not want a total head high all the time, I like a balanced cross of head and body(thats not always easy to find when you dont live in a progressive medical state).

just my :2c:
 
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lwien

lwien

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Snafu said:
lwien said:
Sativas has a higher THC content than Indicas. which have a higher CBD content, and being that vaping primarily targets THC, does it make sense that Sativa's would be the better choice for vaporizing?
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can you point me to proof on your statement that sativas have more THC content then indicas?
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Man, that quote was from 2 years ago. I have no idea where I heard that from. Is it incorrect?
 
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djonkoman

djonkoman

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I'll always choose sativa if I can, my rule of thumb so far(so far it never failed), is that the more sativa it is the more I like it
sadly a lot of the weed, even the more sativa weed, in the coffeeshops still has pretty much indica in it, so if I want some real sativa I have to grow it myself(not that I find that a problem...)
 
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hereatlast

hereatlast

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I don't think it's really fair to say its true or false, I think its too much of a blanket/generalized statement though. Each strain, and even further, each batch/grow, will differ in its cannabinoid content and ratios.
 
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lwien

lwien

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hereatlast said:
I don't think it's really fair to say its true or false, I think its too much of a blanket/generalized statement though. Each strain, and even further, each batch/grow, will differ in its cannabinoid content and ratios.
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Ok then.

/ thread. :| Resurrecting dead threads is kind of spooky anyway. :ninja:
 
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fidget

fidget

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I like to have both sativa and indica or failing that a good hybrid.
Only time I vape daytime is occasionally at the weekend and much prefer sativa for that.
Evening I'll have sativa/indica salad or a hybrid for my first elbow and indica for my second and last.
Feel a bit too wired to sleep if I don't finish with indica.
The indica definitely needs a good 10 degrees higher temp in my Q.

I definitely think variable temp vapes give you more control over your vaping experience - some strains give out misleadingly weak vapor at your "usual" starting temp but bump it up 5 or 10 degrees and its cloud city.

One of the best vaping strains I've had was Red Dragon which is a hybrid and can get up to 23% THC with 1.2% CBD. Ticked all the boxes. :D
 
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