Ascent Vaporizer by DaVinci

OF said:

I've already told you that many guys have reported seeing this. All 'read low'. It's the reason I abandoned my Pyrometers and went to the extra trouble of T/C gauges. I know that's not the answer you wanted, but it's the truth. That's how science works here I think.

As long as we're on sore subjects, in a "population" (I think the correct statistical term) where most of the customers are happy with their initial unit, what are the chances of one guy getting 3 defective ones in a row in a random draw? Very small. If say one it 10 is bad, the chance of 3 in a row is 1 in a thousand. Statistics says to look elsewhere......unless someone doesn't like you and is picking out 'special ' ones?

Anyway, perhaps a more enlightening question to ask might be "has anyone ever got what they think is an accurate reading on a vape with their IR thermometer?" So, let me ask it, has anyone? Any vape? Under what conditions.

I honestly think low temperature is not your problem, for sure no way 3 times in a row. I has to be somewhere else.

Good luck with it, but as the saying goes, "I think you're barking up the wrong tree" here.

OF

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That's only sort of true OF (sorry to be picky) ... but following your logic, the odds of having a defective Ascent if one has never gotten one, is 1 in 10 ... the odds of getting 3 in a row if one has never gotten one before is, as you stated, 1 in 1000, however, once one has received 2 defective Ascents, the odds of the 3rd one being defective is still 1 in 10 if the defect rate is 10% (not saying that it is ... pretty sure its lower than that)

Gamblers fallacy ... your odds don't go up as you keep playing ... they are the exact same on every roll and all prior rolls have no impact on the current one ...

My Ascent just died, so I can't give hwl83 a comparison, but if it hadn't died I could have given him a comparison value, although not an accurate value (and thank you for your education on emissivity ... very enlightening as far as interpreting your readings)

I just ordered a couple of gongs to work as my mouthpiece on the Ascent.

I noticed Gotvape has the Ascent for $250. EZvapes didn't have any in stock. DV is $249. Many places don't have them. I noticed EBay has them. I see one for $220.99.

sektr said:

I think this whole "airtight" thing is a little ridiculous.

The air is going to follow the path of least resistance, and therefore when it's being operated you're going to get little to no pullthrough from wherever the supposed "leaks" are.

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This was my theory too ... although in all reality to form the best vapor, it does do much better when as airtight as possible. (at least this is what I've found in the MiniVAP with its various releases of Teflon vs silicon cones ... the more airtight silicone cones make an ENORMOUS difference)

My 2nd Ascent is much more sealed than my 1st Ascent and the vapor production is much superior and I believe this to be one of the primary reasons.

I agree with the least resistance theory though, so I don't think its a health hazard so much as a matter of squeezing extra performance out of the device.

I paid $199.99 from a great store, and it an authorized seller. If you live in Indiana....let me know

farcus2323 said:

I just have some extremely wet stuff right now so i have to kind of use the grinder. too sticky!

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This is a problem. A lot of energy is used up just to dry out your load. That means the Ascent has to work harder. Find a way to dry that stuff out.

I heard the static sound that others have mentioned that comes from the Ascent. I would assume its suppose to do that. I am normally surrounded by noise and hadn't heard it before. I guess if mine stops working I will have been warned. I had to hold my ear up to it to hear.

Pinnacle Pro said:

I heard the static sound that others have mentioned that comes from the Ascent. I would assume its suppose to do that.

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Normal behavior. I forgot what the engineers said it was, but expected.

Hi I have spent a lot of time reading through this thread and I have a question. I am torn between the Pinnacle Pro or the Ascent. Which one would do better oils and waxes and of course herb. I live in Colorado and the oils and waxes are now super easy to get. Legalization baby! :-) Thanks!

I wouldn't vouch for the Ascent for concentrates but it's my favorite out-and-about portable I've owned. Personally, out of my experiences, my favorite concentrate vapes are the LV ThermoVape products (dart/revolution) married with a small eCig battery (I prefer the taste of the ceramic as a wick to the standard mica type in your standard pens.

In other words ... Ascent for herb and a decent pen for concentrates (my opinion is that for portable, the 2 are still best as separate devices ... IMHO)

I'll also state that others in the forums have much more experience than I with concentrate vapes/pens ... in that area I've tried some, but not having the access to super quality concentrates all the time that some do .... my experience on this side is limited (on the herb side its extensive )

Thanks for the reply JCat. I really appreciate it. Good post.

Rocky mountain said:

Thanks for the reply JCat. I really appreciate it. Good post.

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Thanks for the thanks ... but really wait for some other members to chime in or discuss the concentrate vapes/pens with other members as I'm far from an expert on them. (I've owned 4-5 concentrate vapes including the Cera and the Dart/Revolution devices that I still use)

How much does oil and wax usually run, in Cali and Colorado?

In Denver its 40 a gram.

farcus2323 said:

How much does oil and wax usually run, in Cali and Colorado?

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$40-60, sometimes $70. California medical patient. Most brand name concentrates here are $60-65 but you're guaranteed good stuff. CO2 is around as well and favored by a lot for being solvent-less, I can get it for $45-50 a gram. Kinda off topic though heh. If you're really into concentrates a dedicated oil vape would do you better.

Hey Guys

I just got my Ascent Vape today and can't wait to try it out. Just have a few questions. If anybody can answer that would be much appreciated.

1. At what temperature should i vape at? I'm using the vape for herb.
2. Can someone suggest some good Vaporizer cyles i.e times and temperatures thats i can program into my Vape
3. Anything i should do before i use it?

thanks

Whatever temperature you want! I like 365-380 but will go a little higher for sedative effects.

Clean the bowl with a qtip and some ISO alcohol, not soaking but damp. Do a burn off at the highest temperature with nothing inside. Clean the stems if you want.

...yesterday I saw Ascent for sale at headships here in s.f....same price...

JCat said:

That's only sort of true OF (sorry to be picky) ... but following your logic, the odds of having a defective Ascent if one has never gotten one, is 1 in 10 ... the odds of getting 3 in a row if one has never gotten one before is, as you stated, 1 in 1000, however, once one has received 2 defective Ascents, the odds of the 3rd one being defective is still 1 in 10 if the defect rate is 10% (not saying that it is ... pretty sure its lower than that)

Gamblers fallacy ... your odds don't go up as you keep playing ... they are the exact same on every roll and all prior rolls have no impact on the current one ...

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Believe what you want, I'm I think stating the way statistics work. For sure the way I was taught to do SFA (Statistical Failure Analysis). The chances of Da Vinci having such a customer (3 dead in a world of 9/10 being fine) is indeed a thousand to one. 999 of those thousand customers will have gotten at least one good one in the three they get. Unlike the case you cite, the 'failures' are related to each other.

Yes, the chance the next one will be a dud is exactly the same as the first, second of third. But the chances of four random draw from a population of 90% reliability (and I think it's much higher than that for Ascent really.....) are now 10,000 to 1. You just don't meet such people in the real world. At least no where near as often as it seems reading this forum. I seriously doubt DaVinci has anything like that many customers?

We're not talking statistics here on this (or any other) Forum. This is 'self selected anecdotal data' from non certified sources. Interesting, but IMO not something to hang your hat on.

If more than .1% of your customers report having 3 in a row bad, something else is in play. You either have bad statistics for your base, a problem in distribution (such that each example isn't independent), a customer issue (not the uints) or you're dealing with the unluckiest customer in six western states.

I worked CS doing root cause analysis on failures too long to think it has anything to do with throwing a natural next time at Craps. That logic has to do with what happens on the next pass, not with whether the gambler goes home broke or rich. It's kind of fun, when you make the rules that you must find the specific cause of failure in each case, suddenly a lot of your 'failures' can turn out to be not real. Since the early days of Demming and 'Statistical Quality Control' this idea (trusting your history to understand the quality picture) has become 'the Holy Grail'. It really is a proven, powerful tool......and it works that way, not like at 'Vegas'.

Regards,

OF

My first ascent worked and looked fine..the only reason i returned it was because a lil piece of the leather was peeling off and DaVinci said they had upgraded a few things so i emailed them and they let me return it for a newer model.

Quetzalcoatl said:

Whatever temperature you want! I like 365-380 but will go a little higher for sedative effects.

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Really anywhere 340+ for temps. Personal preference all the way.

Personally I start at 370 or 380 (still working out my preference), then bump to 390/400, then to 410/420.

Usually get 4-5 tasty hits at the lowest temp, then a few mediocre ones with MUCH denser vapor at middle heat, then I vape at the highest for 2-3 minutes just to make sure I get all my 'nabbinoids.

I don't like using the programmable settings. The temp really depends on the herb. I start anywhere between 385 and 395, i may go up to 410, by the end of my session but not always.

I find I get better vapor using the glass flowers. If the vapor is too harsh I go down in temp, if the vapor doesn't taste rich enough I may go up in temp. Thats why the programmable settings doesn't work for me.
I make sure I use dry herb that I've ground up to a consistency of cornmeal. Just make sure you give enough time for the bowl to heat back up after you take a draw, about 30 seconds or so.

It's just personal preference. Good times.

sektr said:

Really anywhere 340+ for temps. Personal preference all the way.

Personally I start at 370 or 380 (still working out my preference), then bump to 390/400, then to 410/420.

Usually get 4-5 tasty hits at the lowest temp, then a few mediocre ones with MUCH denser vapor at middle heat, then I vape at the highest for 2-3 minutes just to make sure I get all my 'nabbinoids.

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I go for taste first. I like to start at 320f and get about 5 or 6 good hits at that temp,bump to 338 for a few hits then go to 358 for daytime medication. That usually lasts me until evening. Sometimes I will empty the low temp ABV into a jar to keep for later at night to get the major sedative effects at 365,374,and 428f. The higher the temps you get more sedative or couch effects. Also at lower temps that I use in the day,you don't get a lot of smell or heavy vapor but a very good buzz. You are not ready for bed when you start to come down because you haven't gotten into the higher temps. You save those for night or with friends who are not experienced with vapes,so you want to make sure they get a good cloud and well medicated. I have found I save a lot of herb that way. i only use about 0.25 gram and fill the rest with glass beads. I like the beads because they don't break like the flower stems. Also after vaping at higher temps you still keep whats left and leach the rest of the THC into butter or coconut oil to cook with for some fun desserts.

So you're saying you fill your bowl once with about a quarter g and spread that load over the day, in 3 sessions, first at 320 and so on?
Gonna try that today.. for now I haven't been lower as 358/180 and wasn't sure if I'm really feeling something. But I'm also tired too often ^^

Received a lot glass flowers broken, but haven't smashed one on my own so far, toi toi, but both Ascent flutes ehehe

Osn Dosn said:

So you're saying you fill your bowl once with about a quarter g and spread that load over the day, in 3 sessions, first at 320 and so on?
Gonna try that today.. for now I haven't been lower as 358/180 and wasn't sure if I'm really feeling something. But I'm also tired too often ^^

Received a lot glass flowers broken, but haven't smashed one on my own so far, toi toi, but both Ascent flutes ehehe

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Yes. The taste is amazing at 320. At the low temps you get kind of a happy buzz... Check this link out....http://www.stonerforums.com/lounge/...specific-boiling-point-role-cannabinoids.html

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But I've seen that temp charts before, just haven't tried it out yet at the low end with the Ascent.
I had a bong hit in the early morning but will try this out starting later: one bowl to rule the day. Let's see if it cuts down my fatigue and usage