Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud EVO

I also want to express my condolences. We lost our oldest Golden Christmas eve. It's one of the saddest and suckiest feelings.

And at least your EVO can now have a bamboo replacement, unlike the original Cloud. My heart goes out to you, arf.

How far should I fill a swagger showercap?

exit said:

How far should I fill a swagger showercap?

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Barely. On my buddy's we filled the interior chamber only and it was glorious.

It was so much less than I expected.

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@arf777 so sorry to hear it man... I agree that that is one of the worst feelings. To have it couple with another badfeeling, well, that just sucks man. Hearts out to you.....

arf777 said:

Some days life seems to be a cruel joke. While taking my dying dog to the vet to be put to sleep, he knocked over my EVO. When I got back, obviously an emotional wreck, and went to medicate, the EVO rattled, and I can see what appears to be a crack in the bamboo. But it also seems to be working properly.

Submitted a ticket, but how much in one damn day, huh?

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Damn. I'm sorry, my friend. Thoughts are with you.

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....yes barely...out of all my ht's it requires the least amount of water...
...well folks a couple of observations ...in real time..with my evolved limited edition h.t. (my favorite)..I get the whistle..the draw is real quick, and so far more (cloudy) than my ticker...
...can't believe how easily the elb's go into the bamboo..almost like greased or something..the whistle doesn't bother me, but others may differ..
..sorry to hear about the loss of your dog, our ramblings pale next to those life/death occurrences..
...I agree that less material goes further than with my tickler..but more testing is required ...

Less material. I have taken to just covering the bottom of the ELB often. Just covering the bottom offers 1-3 big clouds. Repeated 2-3 times and I am doing fine for a few hours. Very fine.

And with that little in there, I have not weighed it yet, but I have to imagine we're talking like 0.02g per.

Amazing.

It's so true. The evo might not get abv as dark as my OG ticker but it seems like there's no pack too small for the evo!

Wanna know what I did when I wanted to blow someone's mind? I shake out my keyboard, pack the few little scrapings I get into a ELB and proceed to see just how efficient it really is!

Evo also gets any glass piece milkier than I have been able to get any other vape. It looks like I'm smoking!

stonemonkey55 said:

Our thoughts go out to you. Based on what I can see of your personality on this forum, your dog was very lucky to have an owner like you and as an owner of three dogs, I personally know how tough this is. I just always remind myself that I gave the 4 legged homies lots of love and that they had a really good life. Keep your spirits up and celebrate the fact you gave your dog an awesome experience on this planet while he/she was here. You got my support.

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I said it on the pets thread, and I'll say it again here - this is an incredibly supportive community. I've had more outreach from FCers since my dog got sick than from my coworkers. I love you folks. And more understanding, as many of us here are like me - live alone, have major health issues, and love our animals. 'Heads (of all flavors) are the best people. Thank you all.

And of course VXL got with me about my broken bamboo immediately. I am without my best friend, but I do have a working OG ticker. My cat is stlll looking for my dog. He's almost 20 and has never lived without one. But thanks to info from many members here, I am getting on a list for a service dog, and have already found a number of potential rescue dogs when I'm emotionally ready. Even found a breeding pair of OEBDs nearby who are close relatives of my poor guy, and they'll have pups trained and ready to go soon. I'd forgotten, like cats, many OEBDs get housebroken by their mothers; I never had to housebreak Mac, he came that way.

Again, thanks to everyone for the good wishes. It really does help.

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It's so true. The evo might not get abv as dark as my OG ticker but it seems like there's no pack too small for the evo!

Wanna know what I did when I wanted to blow someone's mind? I shake out my keyboard, pack the few little scrapings I get into a ELB and proceed to see just how efficient it really is!

Evo also gets any glass piece milkier than I have been able to get any other vape. It looks like I'm smoking!

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That's really funny you said this.

I've literally been scraping the leafs stuck to the insides of my bags into the elbs and plucking off crumbs from used stems. The EVO milks everytime.

And I agree. The vape moving through the glass looks like smoke. It's unreal. Since I've got my unit back I've had 0 combustion issues as well, heater is rock-steady.

The EVO truly is the easiest vape I've ever used.

...it's really magical...didn't they win an award with the old type...what should they get for this.....

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Me and my new evo got off to a bit of a rocky start today. Fed Ex left it at my door (I was home so was no problem) and when I took it out of the box it felt about 10 degrees (air temp). But, after reading on this thread that someone leaves theirs in the shed 24-7 I figured I'd plug it in and give it a whirl.

When I turned it on the light turned red for a few seconds then started flashing every few seconds. I made sure the plug was seated properly, plugged it into a new outlet, tried a different adapter all to no effect. When I was about to box it back and create a ticket, I figured I'd try again and voila! It's been working for a few hours now. Unless you experts think it needs to be looked at, I'm gonna chalk it up to the cold.

Anyway, i'm experimenting with it now. Definitely the best vape I've owned.

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Mine does this too, but only when it's been sitting by my window and it's cold. I spoke with SM about it and he assured me that the cold is what it is. I think it can tell if it's too cold so it won't heat up when the glass is freezing and crack it! Imo that's a good feature!! I'm definitely loving my Evo. It almost seems like mine has gotten hotter since I first got it too. At first I couldn't get dark brown abv, but now I can take it to a really dark brown, and I even had a friend that got too stoned and was holding it instead of hitting it and he kept accidentally hitting the temp dial up to high, and between sitting on it and it being on high, when he took his next hit it actually combusted a tiny bit!! It surprised me bcuz I already tried it on high b4 that and it didn't come close to combusting! It sucked bcuz I had to clean everything bcuz it stunk up my HT! But I'm actually happy that it gets that hot so I know I shouldn't have any problems with concentrates. I definitely love this vape!! It's probably my favorite, and I own the Vapexhale Cloud Plus, the volcano, the Pax, and almost all of W9 Tech's/Delta 9's whole line up! But those are in a different class of oil vapes imo, and I love my Persei/Hercules SR71 just as much! But imo, this is definitely worth the money! It kicks my ass every time I use it!! Cheers everyone!!

arf777- boy, my heart goes out to you. It is SO hard. We had 7, lost 4 in the last year. All close to same old age. We have always had a house full of rescues. 4 now. We have them for life. The dogs, cat and parrot are all very connected. I feel for your kittycat. It is very sad for them. I am sad for you.

Look forward to seeing your HT knit cover!

EVO Landed!!! cue awesome music*


Initial impressions (and I've had 4 Clouds total, for comparisons sake):

- draw is more restrictive than any of my previous VXL models - I suspect that this might be where the improvements in efficiency come from...

- I have 0, zero, none whistle.

- Everything aesthetically is a 200% improvement

- I can't find anything I don't love about it.

and lastly,


yeah... It's got ass in them pants. AMAZING VAPOR, KNOCKOUT PUNCH.

My EVO is heading back in for bamboo repair. Broke the OG ticker back out after not using it for over a week. And man, the EVO is even more of an improvement than I'd thought. Got used to not having to stir my ELBs to get even, toasty ABV. In the OG, if I don't stir, some is black and some is green. And the taste and pain control really aren't as good in the OG. Still better than all but one of my others (tied with that one, the VHW 3).

'Course I still love the ticker. Even has some of my deceased dog's tooth-marks on it from his attempt to eat it last year - [my OG is TOUGH]. Every time I pick up it up I'll be reminded of him.

I just did a bit of an experiment. I turned on my Cloud+ and Evo at the same time. I set both dials to max and let them heat up for 30 minutes. The Evo seemed pretty heatsoaked but the Cloud+ still had a way to go. I packed an ELB about 1/4 full and hit the Evo twice, with the vapor production stopping about half way through the second hit. I hit it a couple more times with varying draw speeds to make sure the vapor production was done. Then I put the ELB immediately into the Cloud+ and I was about to get 1 and 1/2 more hits of medium vapor.

I also had a mini ELB laying around that I had loaded with wax to try in the Evo at max. When I tried it, it produced very light vapor and left most of the wax in the screens. I tried the still-loaded ELB in the Cloud+ and it made all of the wax disappear in one hit.

The mini ELB method wasn't perfect with my cloud+ but it worked pretty well for the most part. Definitely not working with my Evo.

I'm able to produce some pretty dark ABV with my Evo but after this test i'm really thinking this thing is running cooler than it was intended to, but i'm still not entirely sure.

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Don't let the flickering light scare you. Just means it can't decide if it's really at temp or not. Those us that have owned OG Tickers know this well

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My evo does flicker when it's reaching the target temp, but that's not what was happening the first time I turned it on. It was just a red light blinking every couple of seconds and no heat. No harm, it's worked great ever since.

I love that I can get a couple of great clouds with just .05 g though I usually use about .15. I don't find the draw restrictive at all but haven't owned another Cloud so can't compare, but my draw through the swagger barrel isn't much different attached to or removed from the unit (btw, I really should have added $20 for a hydrafoot... had no idea I'd need it - do you think it's too late?).

For me, I find the whistle begins just when I'm drawing a little faster than I find to be most effective so it acts kind of as an alarm. Turns out it's more useful than annoying.
I find myself starting at about 1:30 or 2 and finish at max. There's definitely no danger of combustion with my unit. Thus far, I've been very satisfied.

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I just did a bit of an experiment. I turned on my Cloud+ and Evo at the same time. I set both dials to max and let them heat up for 30 minutes. The Evo seemed pretty heatsoaked but the Cloud+ still had a way to go. I packed an ELB about 1/4 full and hit the Evo twice, with the vapor production stopping about half way through the second hit. I hit it a couple more times with varying draw speeds to make sure the vapor production was done. Then I put the ELB immediately into the Cloud+ and I was about to get 1 and 1/2 more hits of medium vapor.

I also had a mini ELB laying around that I had loaded with wax to try in the Evo at max. When I tried it, it produced very light vapor and left most of the wax in the screens. I tried the still-loaded ELB in the Cloud+ and it made all of the wax disappear in one hit.

The mini ELB method wasn't perfect with my cloud+ but it worked pretty well for the most part. Definitely not working with my Evo.

I'm able to produce some pretty dark ABV with my Evo but after this test i'm really thinking this thing is running cooler than it was intended to, but i'm still not entirely sure.

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...or your old Cloud+ is running hot. Turned out my OG ticker always has been - over 600F at full.

arf777 said:

...or your old Cloud+ is running hot. Turned out my OG ticker always has been - over 600F at full.

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I hope this is the case. I don't want to be without it even if the turn around is quick.

If my Evo works with the upcoming extract attachment I will be happy. The MiniElb is kind of messy.

I HIGHLY recommend everyone get a handle on their CLOUD EVO as soon as possible...

TheNOTORIOUS_THC said:

I HIGHLY recommend everyone get a handle on their CLOUD EVO as soon as possible...

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touche, and looks like a clean mod. however I just don't see the need... it just doesn't get that hot IMO. I apologize if I'm coming off as some sort of iron skinned hardass, I've just never had an issue handling the hot EVO. I just don't grab it where it's hot. you'd have to really try to burn yourself, accidentally touching it can't hurt you. I dunno, maybe the Vectra units are different? I actually wear the wristbands.

for me, adding extra handles just creates things for the EVO to get snagged on and cause a potentially sad situation

SO.

What EXACTLY are the differences between the "OG Ticker" and the EVO? I'm looking at picking up a VXC for $200 but I'm wondering what I'd be getting for the extra $200 if I opted for an EVO?

Also, I've been hearing word that this unit has a stronger/heavier high than most vapes, true? I've currently only got a Da Vinci Ascent, which being portable (even if it is high end portable) is probably a far cry from the EVO, right? Would I get higher, off less, with the EVO, or just denser clouds/less hits?

I've been looking for a vape that can give me a high similar to what I'd get from smoking my bongs (3 years strong I was smoking). I'd compare my Ascent more to joints, and even then it's lacking something. Is the EVO what I need? (My doc told me to cut way back on smoking so it's time for vape)

WaxOnWaxOff said:

I just did a bit of an experiment. I turned on my Cloud+ and Evo at the same time. I set both dials to max and let them heat up for 30 minutes. The Evo seemed pretty heatsoaked but the Cloud+ still had a way to go. I packed an ELB about 1/4 full and hit the Evo twice, with the vapor production stopping about half way through the second hit. I hit it a couple more times with varying draw speeds to make sure the vapor production was done. Then I put the ELB immediately into the Cloud+ and I was about to get 1 and 1/2 more hits of medium vapor.

I also had a mini ELB laying around that I had loaded with wax to try in the Evo at max. When I tried it, it produced very light vapor and left most of the wax in the screens. I tried the still-loaded ELB in the Cloud+ and it made all of the wax disappear in one hit.

The mini ELB method wasn't perfect with my cloud+ but it worked pretty well for the most part. Definitely not working with my Evo.

I'm able to produce some pretty dark ABV with my Evo but after this test i'm really thinking this thing is running cooler than it was intended to, but i'm still not entirely sure.

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Based on what I've read of your posts since you got your EVO, I reckon that your unit is running correctly or your Cloud+ is running hot (perhaps both). One of the things that caught my attention is that you felt that the EVO got you more medicated (apologies if it was someone else) versus your OG. Much like modern strength training has incorporated movements (kettlebells versus traditional weighlifting/isolation exercises) that give you more functional strength (that improve athletic performance as opposed to just giving you a big chest and awesome biceps), we wanted to explore if we could do the same with heat, air turbulence, and vapor.

I'd like to preface the following by saying that I have no empirical evidence to support this theory but I do have lots of anecdotal stories from customers that own both variations of Clouds and the vast majority (not everyone) believes that the EVO provides a stronger effect regardless of vapor density and/or finished abv color. We designed our air path to have as much turbulence as possible and we are trying to better understand how this effects the end user. I like to believe that the EVO has more "functional heat" than the previous model even if you could extract one or two more puffs out of the OG.

Like I said, we are trying to better understand the biochemical nature of this but one thing we do know for sure is that the physics behind the air path has been improved and is our strongest hypothesis as to why this unit medicates more strongly despite final ABV color. I'd be interested in hearing what others have experienced and what their hypothesis might be. As a manufacturer, it makes it more difficult to talk about these concepts because I wouldn't want people to confuse my opinion for facts. But at the end of the day, I am a vapor fanatic and these are potential concepts that if further explored, could be the beginning steps of seeing big leaps in vapor performance. Let the discourse begin.

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touche, and looks like a clean mod. however I just don't see the need... it just doesn't get that hot IMO. I apologize if I'm coming off as some sort of iron skinned hardass, I've just never had an issue handling the hot EVO. I just don't grab it where it's hot. you'd have to really try to burn yourself, accidentally touching it can't hurt you. I dunno, maybe the Vectra units are different? I actually wear the wristbands.

for me, adding extra handles just creates things for the EVO to get snagged on and cause a potentially sad situation

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I don't do it for the heat it's all about the ergonomics of having a handle for me. Nerve damage blows and gets expensive especially with the side effects of this particular medicine I choose..

As an added plus I get:

-easier separation from HT pairings

-incredible safety in the event of accidental spills

-and if I'm not trying to be Mr. Tough Guy.... with this on, I COMPLETELY FORGET it's hot at all

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the physics behind the air path has been improved and is our strongest hypothesis as to why this unit medicates more strongly despite final ABV color. I'd be interested in hearing what others have experienced and what their hypothesis might be. As a manufacturer, it makes it more difficult to talk about these concepts because I wouldn't want people to confuse my opinion for facts. But at the end of the day, I am a vapor fanatic and these are potential concepts that if further explored, could be the beginning steps of seeing big leaps in vapor performance. Let the discourse begin.

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I like the metaphor of "functional strength." a cooler EVO may actually outperform a hotter OG due to the fact that it transfers heat to the contents of the ELB more efficiently and more thoroughly.

I have recently had the notion rolling around in my head that in fact ABV color may not have as direct a correlation to "functional extraction" as I have been lead to believe. this idea came to me while I was actually using my Solo. I noticed that when I leave the stem in for the entire session, the ABV at the end of the session gets darker then when I pulled the stem out between hits. however I wouldn't say I got more medicated with the darker ABV, just that it was a subtly different effect. I think I'm actually getting "higher" pulling the stem out between hits. I theorize that the stem I left in between hits got hot enough through conduction to cause too much decarboxylation, converting more THC to CBN than I would like.

it could be that the older Clouds with less turbulence heat the contents of the ELB less efficiently and less evenly, causing a darker but less evenly colored ABV due to the presence of hotter and colder areas within the ELB. as opposed to the EVO which manages to get the entire contents up to the targeted temps, all at once. perhaps less THC is getting converted to CBN because it has already left the biomass and entered your bloodstream, as opposed to the older units that didn't evacuate vaporized cannabinoids from the ELB as efficiently. this might account for the perceived greater medicinal effect. more THC hitting the brain and less CBN?

I have no idea what I am talking about

TheNOTORIOUS_THC said:

I don't do it for the heat it's all about the ergonomics of having a handle for me. Nerve damage blows and gets expensive especially with the side effects of this particular medicine I choose..

As an added plus I get:

-easier separation from HT pairings

-incredible safety in the event of accidental spills

-and if I'm not trying to be Mr. Tough Guy.... with this on, I COMPLETELY FORGET it's hot at all

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good points. enjoy

kimura said:

I like the metaphor of "functional strength." a cooler EVO may actually outperform a hotter OG due to the fact that it transfers heat to the contents of the ELB more efficiently and more thoroughly.

I have recently had the notion rolling around in my head that in fact ABV color may not have as direct a correlation to "functional extraction" as I have been lead to believe. this idea came to me while I was actually using my Solo. I noticed that when I leave the stem in for the entire session, the ABV at the end of the session gets darker then when I pulled the stem out between hits. however I wouldn't say I got more medicated with the darker ABV, just that it was a subtly different effect. I think I'm actually getting "higher" pulling the stem out between hits. I theorize that the stem I left in between hits got hot enough through conduction to cause too much decarboxylation, converting more THC to CBN than I would like.

it could be that the older Clouds with less turbulence heat the contents of the ELB less efficiently and less evenly, causing a darker but less evenly colored ABV due to the presence of hotter and colder areas within the ELB. as opposed to the EVO which manages to get the entire contents up to the targeted temps, all at once. perhaps less THC is getting converted to CBN because it has already left the biomass and entered your bloodstream, as opposed to the older units. this might account for the perceived greater medicinal effect. more THC hitting the brain and less CBN?

I have no idea what I am talking about



good points. enjoy

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Dark ABV is nice to see, but I have to agree with you. ABV color isn't entirely important. It's the chlorophyll that's being browned, as most of the cannabinoids are in the trichome glands and some in the plant matter. I like dark ABV for the CBD's and whatever CBN's I can get.