Never touched meth in my life.... until you have gone through one of these episodes... you wouldn't have the slightest clue what my body goes through.... I used to do alot of cocaine back in the day and never experienced anything like what smoking weed does to me... Quitting weed doesn't have very many negetive symptoms I have found.. it's more mind over matter... but I am one of the odd people out there that weed just fucks up my body so much... I'm not sure if you comment was meant to be productive or not.... but I'll tell you I wouldn't wish what I go through on my worst of enemies...
His story is pretty well in line with mine, even if we aren't expressing ourselves in the same way. Addictive personalities lead to consumption of huge amounts, and those can affect certain body types in a way that isn't too dissimilar to severe menstrual pains (don't ask me how I know this please). My initial reactions weren't so levelheaded either... you might remember I nearly left the forums over it.
It happened to me, but now I am happily vaping without issue now I've dropped my consumption levels down to about .5 a day. For people with seriously addicive personalities however, this is just not an option though, and quitting is the only way to stop the sickness.
And for those types of people, quitting anything is a real challenge. Sex, fatty foods, chocolate, weed But lots of people have problems with one or more of them. These are all addictive things that aren't really addictive. The addiction is in the person. And to them, it is just as real as an addiction to something actually addictive. I know it might look like he's trying to be a spook, but I think this guy really needs our support.
AndNewww, if quitting mj is the road you think you need to take then I wish you the best of luck on it. However (and by no means am I trying to detract from your efforts) I was not successful in taking this road. But I have found that marijuana can be a part of my life still, as long as I stick to small amounts. It is difficult, but it is a lot easier with a vaporizer that you can load a very small amount into. At first it is frustrating, but after a few days your tolerance adjusts and you will start feeling much higher off of smaller amounts.
The trigger (at least in my opinion) of this condition is when the amount of intake of marijuana gets high enough that the body just can't metabolize the actives out fast enough. And then it just builds up, getting bigger and bigger until the body mistakes it as being a poison and gives the toxic body reaction.
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Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
I tend to believe you more because you post everywhere in this forum.
Snake Plissken
Transcendentalist
Everyone reacts differently, and few really know what is in their medicine and what the long term effects of smoking/vaping these fertilizers/toxins/etc really are. Some have allergic reactions (to varying degrees) to cannabis. Many, many others can make themselves blow chunks simply by giving something enough power.
That being said, I have rarely heard such misinformed, subjective rationalization. Just because the sky is blue and I vape doesn't mean that my vaping makes the sky blue. Correlation vs cause and effect. You cannot logically look at 1 aspect of your life (cannabis uptake) w/o considering every other influencing factor to the condition. For example: "well, I actually stopped and started drinking coffee concurrently w/ cannabis uptake", or: "I was vaping a lot when stressed, and nauseous. Once I stopped being stressed so much I didn't need to vape, and was no longer nauseous". Did the vaping make you nauseous? Or the stress? Or something else altogether?
Many people, including myself use cannabis for its antiemetic properties. I have late stage chronic pancreatitis. When I was younger, I would be hospitalized 3-4 times a year for around 2 weeks at a stretch. As far back as 30 years ago, the drs would call my wife out into the hall and tell her she needed to say her goodbyes, as I probably wouldn't see the morning. Since being able to consume the quantities I need, by growing for myself, I have decreased my need to be hospitalized - from several times a year, to once a year, to today where it has been almost 7 years since hospitalization. Far from cured, but have been able to keep attacks below the level requiring hospitalization. Unlike CHS, cannabis' antiemetic properties are well documented.
To accomplish this required massive uptake of cannabis utilizing it's natural anti-nausea benefits. I typically use 1-3 grams a day, and have for 20 years.
I also think that a lot of this 'speculation' is disinformation, intentional or not, that furthers the stand of cannabis opponents and detracts from actual benefits the plant provides.
If someone is 'addicted' to mj, it has very little to do w/ mj and everything to do w/ themselves. I would sure miss dinner if I had to go w/o it - am I addicted to dinner? Sorry if this isn't compassionate enough, but I'm tired of a plant being blamed for some peoples lack of character. If your mind is such that you can become 'addicted' (negative connotations implied) to mj, you should probably never touch it - as well as: coffee, sugar, candy, porn, heavy cream sauces, video games and much more.
That being said, I have rarely heard such misinformed, subjective rationalization. Just because the sky is blue and I vape doesn't mean that my vaping makes the sky blue. Correlation vs cause and effect. You cannot logically look at 1 aspect of your life (cannabis uptake) w/o considering every other influencing factor to the condition. For example: "well, I actually stopped and started drinking coffee concurrently w/ cannabis uptake", or: "I was vaping a lot when stressed, and nauseous. Once I stopped being stressed so much I didn't need to vape, and was no longer nauseous". Did the vaping make you nauseous? Or the stress? Or something else altogether?
Many people, including myself use cannabis for its antiemetic properties. I have late stage chronic pancreatitis. When I was younger, I would be hospitalized 3-4 times a year for around 2 weeks at a stretch. As far back as 30 years ago, the drs would call my wife out into the hall and tell her she needed to say her goodbyes, as I probably wouldn't see the morning. Since being able to consume the quantities I need, by growing for myself, I have decreased my need to be hospitalized - from several times a year, to once a year, to today where it has been almost 7 years since hospitalization. Far from cured, but have been able to keep attacks below the level requiring hospitalization. Unlike CHS, cannabis' antiemetic properties are well documented.
To accomplish this required massive uptake of cannabis utilizing it's natural anti-nausea benefits. I typically use 1-3 grams a day, and have for 20 years.
I also think that a lot of this 'speculation' is disinformation, intentional or not, that furthers the stand of cannabis opponents and detracts from actual benefits the plant provides.
If someone is 'addicted' to mj, it has very little to do w/ mj and everything to do w/ themselves. I would sure miss dinner if I had to go w/o it - am I addicted to dinner? Sorry if this isn't compassionate enough, but I'm tired of a plant being blamed for some peoples lack of character. If your mind is such that you can become 'addicted' (negative connotations implied) to mj, you should probably never touch it - as well as: coffee, sugar, candy, porn, heavy cream sauces, video games and much more.
MacRadish
Well-Known Member
I think, maybe, some later info??
http://www.currentpsychiatry.com/ho...bis-use/7f745b490668efc93ec5bab9da3bfdc1.html
I am a sufferer of this, no ifs/ands about it. No doctor/hospital/ER was able to actually diagnose what occurs to me every few months since 1974. The latest suggestion was that I am suffering from a "migraine of the stomach" from a head of a gastroentology dept. at my local hospital while he had a scope down my stomach observing perfectly normal stomach activity while I was at my worst of vomiting and nausea.
I find relief with a cocktail of lorazepan, zofran & phenergan pills finely crushed and placed under my tongue. This simulates an IV treatment I once had which "made it all go away".
But the best relief is setting at the bottom of a HOT shower with water directed to the top of my head.
http://www.currentpsychiatry.com/ho...bis-use/7f745b490668efc93ec5bab9da3bfdc1.html
I am a sufferer of this, no ifs/ands about it. No doctor/hospital/ER was able to actually diagnose what occurs to me every few months since 1974. The latest suggestion was that I am suffering from a "migraine of the stomach" from a head of a gastroentology dept. at my local hospital while he had a scope down my stomach observing perfectly normal stomach activity while I was at my worst of vomiting and nausea.
I find relief with a cocktail of lorazepan, zofran & phenergan pills finely crushed and placed under my tongue. This simulates an IV treatment I once had which "made it all go away".
But the best relief is setting at the bottom of a HOT shower with water directed to the top of my head.
First, yes I'm new and second, I am also aware this thread is old.. however.. I have been trying to find answers since being diagnosed with this.. It is extremely hard for me to wrap my head around this, I mean really...Weed is doing this to me?! Low and behold, 3 days of no weed and poof, most of my symptoms gone.
Quick back story... Thanksgiving weekend started throwing up, and pretty much threw up everyday until last week (1/10/14), I had 3 months worth of doctors visits, specialists, tons of blood work done, colposcopy, endoscopy.. you name it, I was checked for it... results were "you're as healthy as an ox on paper".. after a week of zero answers and ready to check myself into the ER, my gastro Dr. called... he said, "I forgot one more thing, do you smoke marijuana". my heart sank! I L-O-V-E MY WEED. however, not as much as my health, I lost 25 pounds in three months and still I have zero interest in eating any food... this is hands down the craziest thing in the world to me.
I was smoking a ton (typically 2 oz a month), so I would assume if I cut that back to a joint or a vape a day there would be no issues, then again I'm not a doctor...
Quick back story... Thanksgiving weekend started throwing up, and pretty much threw up everyday until last week (1/10/14), I had 3 months worth of doctors visits, specialists, tons of blood work done, colposcopy, endoscopy.. you name it, I was checked for it... results were "you're as healthy as an ox on paper".. after a week of zero answers and ready to check myself into the ER, my gastro Dr. called... he said, "I forgot one more thing, do you smoke marijuana". my heart sank! I L-O-V-E MY WEED. however, not as much as my health, I lost 25 pounds in three months and still I have zero interest in eating any food... this is hands down the craziest thing in the world to me.
I was smoking a ton (typically 2 oz a month), so I would assume if I cut that back to a joint or a vape a day there would be no issues, then again I'm not a doctor...
Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
If I were smoking 2 ounces of weed a month, I'd be out of it too.
Not sure if directly related, but noticed random and almost immediate vomit attacks about 6 months after switching from combustion to vaping. There is no nausea involved, just an immediate need to vomit.
Also found a cure. I keep a jar of nuts or other munchies handy. A small handful, consumed quickly at the start of one of these mini episodes, puts the feeling to rest for a good long time....
(Now, a bit of humor regarding 2 ounces of weed per month, ---> any chance either of your next door neighbors will be moving any time soon?
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Also found a cure. I keep a jar of nuts or other munchies handy. A small handful, consumed quickly at the start of one of these mini episodes, puts the feeling to rest for a good long time....
(Now, a bit of humor regarding 2 ounces of weed per month, ---> any chance either of your next door neighbors will be moving any time soon?
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Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
Not sure if directly related, but noticed random and almost immediate vomit attacks about 6 months after switching from combustion to vaping. There is no nausea involved, just an immediate need to vomit.
Also found a cure. I keep a jar of nuts or other munchies handy. A small handful, consumed quickly at the start of one of these mini episodes, puts the feeling to rest for a good long time....
(Now, a bit of humor regarding 2 ounces of weed per month, ---> any chance either of your next door neighbors will be moving any time soon?
I battle nausea daily, and I have found that ginger capsules help more than anything.
Vicki, that is very true! Ginger in any form is great, and hella-healthy too!
Fresh Ginger Tea, Ginger Ale (warm), Ginger Candy & Gum..... have used all with success during times of flu-like nausea.
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Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
The only reason I only post here is because I found this message board on google... I dont even know what this website is actually about... all I'm doing is trying to share my experience with others who might be going through the same thing I am... in know way am I trying to "scare" anyone away from smoking lol I miss it more than anything
Crap! I'm addicted (heavily) to all of the above ... guess I should avoid everything in life that is worth living for!
My motto when I was younger was: "Anything worth doing is worth doing in excess!" ... (just my personality ... not much I can do about it ... I do my best to curtail this aspect of my personality where it causes problems though now that I'm "older and wiser"
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2oz really isn't that much ... it's ~2g/day ... (or about 1.5g/day + occasional heavier day + sharing) ... that's about my norm
Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
2oz really isn't that much ... it's ~2g/day ... (or about 1.5g/day + occasional heavier day + sharing) ... that's about my norm
That's a ton to me! I'm only using about a gram of flowers per week. I also dab daily, but can make a gram of that last around 2-3 weeks. I have been having a piece of cannabis fudge every evening, and each piece contains around 0.2 grams of cannabis, give or take. I don't know the exact amount.
timeisnotmyfriend
New Member
Don't feel alone.The only reason I only post here is because I found this message board on google... I dont even know what this website is actually about... all I'm doing is trying to share my experience with others who might be going through the same thing I am... in know way am I trying to "scare" anyone away from smoking lol I miss it more than anything
Here is my story:
I was regular smoker from 1975 until 1982. I quit to raise my two Daughters. In 2003 my Children grown. I made a choice to start smoking again. I was a heavy cannabis user when young and was a heavy cannabis user when I started again. In 2005 I had what I thought was a flu bug or food poisoning. Heavy vomiting, fever and headache. Lasted about 6 hours and never thought it was serious. I rarely vomit, even with the flu, I mean like years between vomiting, just to clarify. A year later, I had another episode this time it lasted longer closer to 12 hours or more. Still thinking it was bug, food, etc. Than another episode closer to 6 months from last episode. Much more violent and lasted 24 hours without being able to keep anything down. Eventually these episodes grew closer together, lasted longer and more violent. I never connected it to my cannabis use. Finally I was Hospitalized when an episode lasted 36 hours and was dangerously dehydrated. I had CT scan of my head and stomach cavity. Scoped, poked and Xrays until I glowed in the dark. Nothing was found. A month later another 3 day episode.
For a lot reasons unrelated to the vomiting episodes, I chose to stop smoking weed. I found another Gastroenterologist who had recently came from UCLA. She was young and had an open mind. I gave her my history and decision to make Life style changes. She asked if I had any more episodes since stopping Cannabis. No was my answer. She said she doubted I would. She said she believed I had been suffering from CHS. Ironically, a close friend had recently mentioned to me he had a good friend who's Father had to quit smoking cannabis due to violent episodes of vomiting. This was before I decided to stop and blew it off as he had to have other issues because you cannot get sick from Cannabis. So I thought.
Since stopping. It's been over a year and a half and no occurrence of these horrible and for me almost deadly results from CHS.
I would just ask that the Cannabis Community keep an open mind. I spent over $5000.00 of monies I did not have for no answers and no relief from my suffering, it was by chance that the cure came to me.
I still believe Cannabis has a place in our Society. The types and strengths of Marijuana have changed dramatically. Like going from beer & wine to 200 proof white lightening. I'm concerned that some folks may of been permanently harmed or even died from misdiagnosis.
I also believe the number of people who suffer from this is and will continue to be small in percentage. However as Cannabis becomes more openly accepted and the numbers of users grows, so will the numbers of those prone to this syndrome.
If being aware and accepting that some people might be prone to this very serious syndrome, save somebody from unnecessarily suffering. I'd hope the entire Cannabis Community would keep an open mind and look to Scientist to do more research to cause and effect and hopefully a cure other than abstinence. Thank You and be Safe.
chris 71
Well-Known Member
i have been kinda watching this thread and maybe its already been mentioned. but this could be related to the things used to grow the bud.
fertilizers not properly being flushed out of the plant. there is a huge debate weather flushing is even nesserry. leading some growers to not flush at all. even some weed i have gotten from despenceries has been very green, to green for my liking
most people dont know how there buds have been produced. so who knows what eles has been used {pest control }.
maybe even to much green unripened buds.
this could even be what has lead to the beleaf that cannabis can make you go nuts. i know to much green meaning not fully matured buds can make me a little sketchy maybe not enough cbd { think to much unripened fruit say unripe straw berries or water melon sure to make you sick } not to mention molds and other things.who knows... just some thoughts
fertilizers not properly being flushed out of the plant. there is a huge debate weather flushing is even nesserry. leading some growers to not flush at all. even some weed i have gotten from despenceries has been very green, to green for my liking
most people dont know how there buds have been produced. so who knows what eles has been used {pest control }.
maybe even to much green unripened buds.
this could even be what has lead to the beleaf that cannabis can make you go nuts. i know to much green meaning not fully matured buds can make me a little sketchy maybe not enough cbd { think to much unripened fruit say unripe straw berries or water melon sure to make you sick } not to mention molds and other things.who knows... just some thoughts
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olivianewtonjohn
Well-Known Member
timeisnotmyfriend
New Member
This may be true. However unless it is studied, it could lead to those who are against the use of weed for any reason having one more argument to support their false narrative that weed is extremely harmful.
For some folks such as myself this is the case. While I was a heavy user I bought from a variety of places and used a variety of types. In addition to vaping, smoking and ingesting.
To try and either ignore or downplay this issue will harm everyone. Denial is death. Knowledge is Life. Let's hope the scientist and medical community is able to sort out this issue. Remember with it now being completely legal in two states more folks than ever will be trying it out. The odds of this issue growing are just by the greater number of users going to increase.
It is better that the marijuana community acknowledge this problem and support trying to sort out exactly what is going on than to deny it's existence. Less they be no better than those who believe it is reefer madness and it must be eradicated from the face of the earth.
timeisnotmyfriend
New Member
Actually if you read my post, the potential for it to be life threatening is quite real. Towards the end, before quitting I had been hospitalized for 3 days and spent a boat load of money trying to find out what was wrong. Please read my post above it is pretty self explanatory.
I'll reiterate that I believe it is a small percentage of folks who have this issue. My concern is not the number of folks affected but rather it be properly diagnosed.
I would only go back to using marijuana under for scientific purposes if say UCLA wanted to study the cause and effect with hopes to finding a cure other than to stop using as I chose to do. It's been over 3 years and have not vomited once since stopping. I miss using it, but I sure as hell do not miss puking!