Conduction Vape Bites Dust, I get a New Vapormatic Deluxe

Well, my 'first unit' didn't last a week... and probably for my own good! It bit the dust yesterday and wouldn't heat up, so I returned it to the local head shop. They ended up exchanging it and $265 cash for a Vapormatic Deluxe (the cheap conduction vape was only $35). So far I am very happy with the Vapormatic. It was very easy to fill a bunch of bags up with. I made six this morning and went through five so far.

The first thing that I noticed was that the vapor from the Vapormatic is not smoky at all. The conduction vape with no temp control definitely produced smoke ....hey WTF I had no idea what the vapor should look like... I'm new at this. Cut some slack to the newbie, you were there once.

Okay, this was my first test. I set my Vapormatic at 350F and it worked great. Anything higher than that and the vapor gets smoky. I like the little drawer that pops in and out so you don't have to touch anything hot, and the two dials help dial in the perfect blend of air and heat with one dial for the fan and one for the temp. It took me a few tries to get the temp and fan just right, but now I am all set and getting good vapor without smoke.

Like anything out there the reviews were mixed on this unit, but so far I would give the unit a 9 out of 10 based on my initial experience. But then again I am new to vaping so that may not count for a lot. Maybe I should just give my new vaping experience a 10 out of 10!!

Here is a YouTube video about the Vapormatic Deluxe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwgldbWUcgQ

Does anyone have any experience with this unit?

So far, so good. I read a review that said something about leakage, but mine doesn't have that problem. Maybe some older units had it or something. Everything seems solid on my unit.



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Also, it does have a digital temperature readout that is hard to see in the picture above. You can set the temp readout for F or C.

'Smoky' is a pretty bad term to use, just check the herb after blowing a bag, is it ash or really black, or just slightly yellow? Vapor is visible, and the thicker it is, the more effective, however, it also activates more of the harsh ingredients (looks at SSV owners ). I really hope you haven't be blowing bags that are completely see through . If you want a better opinion, mind filling a bag, taking a picture in good light and uploading it on www.imageshack.us then posting it here? We will be able to let you know if you are getting good quality vapor, especially for a $300 unit.

Ven said:

'Smoky' is a pretty bad term to use, just check the herb after blowing a bag, is it ash or really black, or just slightly yellow? Vapor is visible, and the thicker it is, the more effective, however, it also activates more of the harsh ingredients (looks at SSV owners ). I really hope you haven't be blowing bags that are completely see through . If you want a better opinion, mind filling a bag, taking a picture in good light and uploading it on www.imageshack.us then posting it here? We will be able to let you know if you are getting good quality vapor, especially for a $300 unit.

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The herb looks dark brownish afterwards. What should it look like?

I'll get some pics.

nice upgrade, maui! Keep a lookout for the burnt popcorn taste...that will tell you when it is burning.

'Smoky' is a pretty bad term to use

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I'd agree with that. The line between smoke and vapor is not a narrow one. If you've ever combusted a VaporGenie or Vaporstar bowl, you know the difference is night and day. Even the thick (and kind of nasty) high temp vapor is a long ways from smoke.

Vaporizers.ca has this info on the Vapormatic. You may want to keep it in mind.

"We recommend a maximum temperature setting of 176C (349 F) for the Vapor Matic. At a temp setting of 176C, actual temperature will fluctuate between 170C and 200C."

Sounds like your 350 setting is just right.

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'Smoky' is a pretty bad term to use

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I'd agree with that. The line between smoke and vapor is not a narrow one. If you've ever combusted a VaporGenie or Vaporstar bowl, you know the difference is night and day. Even the thick (and kind of nasty) high temp vapor is a long ways from smoke.

Vaporizers.ca has this info on the Vapormatic. You may want to keep it in mind.

"We recommend a maximum temperature setting of 176C (349 F) for the Vapor Matic. At a temp setting of 176C, actual temperature will fluctuate between 170C and 200C."

Sounds like your 350 setting is just right.

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Thanks... yes, it's not a narrow line... I combusted the VaporMatic at temps above 360F... and you have to run the fan on high when you are vaping or it will combust also.

I'm sure every unit requires some fine-tuning before you find the perfect setting. Now that I have found it, I will simply enjoy!!!

Okay, here is my first week's progress so far:

Evolution right before your eyes....

I might recommend reading around here a bit for your next vaporizer investment. Their are certainly better models out their than this, but I'm sure that is worlds better than your old one.

is there a seal on the drawer? the problem with the vapir one was that alot of vapor was lost due to it leaking around the outside of the drawer and wanted to know if they fixed that problem with this vape.

If you're wondering where I got that extra-large bag from, Walmart has a sale on them - two for $2.00. Big enough for the whole party!!!

Frickr said:

is there a seal on the drawer? the problem with the vapir one was that alot of vapor was lost due to it leaking around the outside of the drawer and wanted to know if they fixed that problem with this vape.

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Yes, mine is sealed tightly - no leaks (I checked). They must have corrected the problem.

All of the documentation and packaging seems professional, and the unit works great so far.

SpiralArchitect said:

Evolution right before your eyes....

I might recommend reading around here a bit for your next vaporizer investment. Their are certainly better models out their than this, but I'm sure that is worlds better than your old one.

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This one seems capable of doing what I need it to do. It is easy to load, it's digital, it has a variable thermostat, and you can adjust the air speed. What more could I ask for?

What more could I ask for?

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A warranty longer than 90 days? That's the rap on Vapir products. They're all digital. Most have fans. And they're only covered for 3 months. Here's hoping yours will be trouble free.

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What more could I ask for?

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A warranty longer than 90 days? That's the rap on Vapir products. They're all digital. Most have fans. And they're only covered for 3 months. Here's hoping yours will be trouble free.

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Maybe they listened to customer feedback. They now have a lifetime warranty:

http://www.gotvape.com/store/vapir.vapormatic.vaporizer.php

Here is something that I read on another forum:

I've heard good things about the latest generation of Vapir vaporizers. I've read the negative reviews and they almost always refer to the 1.0. I think the new gen Vapir 3's reviewed fairly well.

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I honestly do not recommend the vapir products due to their reliability, efficiency complaints along with the cost of other preferred models such as the extreme and herbalaire.

I had originally considered for myself a vapir 5.0 but that idea didnt last once the vapir was scrutinized and I ultimately went with a whip vape. In large part because that type of vaporizer did not really meet my smoking style and due to the issues reported with it.

I hope your vaporizer will last you and just because their are complaints on those vapes that doesnt mean they are all crap. If yours isnt leaking that is a good step in the right direction.

How much did you spend on it?

Beezleb said:

I honestly do not recommend the vapir products due to their reliability, efficiency complaints along with the cost of other preferred models such as the extreme and herbalaire.

I had originally considered for myself a vapir 5.0 but that idea didnt last once the vapir was scrutinized and I ultimately went with a whip vape. In large part because that type of vaporizer did not really meet my smoking style and due to the issues reported with it.

I hope your vaporizer will last you and just because their are complaints on those vapes that doesnt mean they are all crap. If yours isnt leaking that is a good step in the right direction.

How much did you spend on it?

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$299 and it is working really, really well for me. I just toked a bag and dude I am ripped and it is the best quality vapor... I have never been this high... and the vapor was like a cloud... no smoke or burnt taste at all... I never knew I could get this high without the carbon monoxide tweek that made me feel shitty... this high is clean.

Last night I got so high I fell asleep on the floor which I never do. This is unreal.

I think this unit may have been less quality in the past but they must have fixed it because it works great. There may be better ones but this is a quality unit. Now that I have my settings right it's a five minute job to get a few bags, and it's consistent every time.


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MauiWowee said:

max said:

What more could I ask for?

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A warranty longer than 90 days? That's the rap on Vapir products. They're all digital. Most have fans. And they're only covered for 3 months. Here's hoping yours will be trouble free.

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Maybe they listened to customer feedback. They now have a lifetime warranty:

http://www.gotvape.com/store/vapir.vapormatic.vaporizer.php

Here is something that I read on another forum:

I've heard good things about the latest generation of Vapir vaporizers. I've read the negative reviews and they almost always refer to the 1.0. I think the new gen Vapir 3's reviewed fairly well.

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The Vapir Vapormatic Deluxe Vaporizer comes with a lifetime warranty.*
**Vapir Lifetime Warranty applies to heater failure only. http://www.gotvape.com/store/vapir.vapormatic.vaporizer.php

The Vapir One started with version 1.0 and is now at 5.0. They have made improvements but reliability is still an issue. The Vapormatic hasn't been changed since its introduction in '07. All Vapir products have a 90 day warranty on electronics and fans, and that's where the reliability issues are.

We're not saying your unit is going to fail or even give you any problems, and we're glad you're satisfied, but we're also not going to praise/recommend the company, since more reliable options are available in the $150-300 price range. If lots of owners start to get years of good service from Vapir vapes, then their reputation will improve. Time will tell.

MauiWowee - I don't think anyone is saying your particular vape is bad but Vapir has had a history of making POS products but always had the largest marketing budget. If things have changed and their quality control and warranty is now better, I think that is great for the industry. I'm glad that you are enjoying your vape but one thing to keep in mind is that when you go from a conduction to a convection vape, the difference is gonna seem huge no matter which model you pick up. It's like going from a bicycle to a motorcycle, and even if the improvement is only going from a bicycle to a moped, the moped still seems ALOT better than the bicycle. Just my 2 cents..

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MauiWowee - I don't think anyone is saying your particular vape is bad but Vapir has had a history of making POS products but always had the largest marketing budget. If things have changed and their quality control and warranty is now better, I think that is great for the industry. I'm glad that you are enjoying your vape but one thing to keep in mind is that when you go from a conduction to a convection vape, the difference is gonna seem huge no matter which model you pick up. It's like going from a bicycle to a motorcycle, and even if the improvement is only going from a bicycle to a moped, the moped still seems ALOT better than the bicycle. Just my 2 cents..

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Yeah, vapir seems to worry more about marketing than preformance. If you really want the best vapor Maui, you should check the Extreme or the Purple Days. Both cheaper and better IMHO. Then there is always the 'Cano too...

Not trying to bash anyone here, because I have not tried it either, but how can you say there are better vapes/that the Vapormatic is a piece of shit if you haven't tried it? I also heard that Vapir's other products kinda sucked, but they seemed to have massively improved the design with the Vapormatic, which is a MUCH DIFFERENT design than all their other ones. The Vapir ONE has nothing to do with the Vapormatic.

This being said however, I was going to buy the vapormatic as well, until I discovered the Extreme, which I what I will be ordering any day now...I like the extreme better because of the (mostly) all glass vapor pathway, as opposed to the aluminum disks used in the vapormatic, and its slightly smaller size. I really like the retro look of the vapormatic, but the extreme looks nice as well.

Haven't tried either, but the vapormatic seems to be a good product.

the vapormatic is the vapir one in a silver box. same bowl, same heating element, same temp controls same everything. i owned a vapir one, it worked fine. but i know i wouldnt pick up one again. there is better vapes on the market.

how can you say there are better vapes/that the Vapormatic is a piece of shit if you haven't tried it?

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From research dude. You listen to others who HAVE used/owned it. We've heard from multiple people (not just Frickr) that the guts are the same design as the One, and quite a few of the owners who haven't had a failure or problems have been less than thrilled with the performance and build quality. Here's the most damning evidence of the poor design, from one of the most established on-line vape dealers -vaporizers.ca (and they sell the Vapormatic).

"We recommend a maximum temperature setting of 176C for the Vapor Matic. At a temp setting of 176C, actual temperature will fluctuate between 170C and 200C." http://www.vaporizers.ca/product.php/product_id/710

And even if there were no performance issues, buying a $300 digital vape with a fan, but only a 90 day warranty, is not a good idea. Some sites still mistakenly reflect the original 3 warranty on this unit, but Air-2 (Vapir) changed ownership at the beginning of '07, and they returned all their products to the same crappy 90 day warranty. The competitors for bag fill, herbalAire, Extreme, and Volcano Digit, all have a 2 yr. parts and labor warranty. The 'cano Classic has a 3 yr. warranty.

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We've heard from multiple people (not just Frickr) that the guts are the same design as the One, and quite a few of the owners who haven't had a failure or problems have been less than thrilled with the performance and build quality.

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When I was doing a little research I thought I heard the exact opposite, so that is good to know.

I'm not too concerned, I am getting an extreme...

Have had my Vapormatic Deluxe for almost 3 yrs now..Use it everyday, never ever a problem with anything..Wouldn't trade it for anything...Run at 344f and fan speed at 6 on the dial and its perfect everytime. Here's alittle trick also, only fill the disk 1/3 to 1/2 full then take another screen and put it ontop of your grinded sweetleaf. Push down lightly then put the top on the disk...I get much better vapes this way and small particles don't blow around in the disk which i believe causes the flare ups. When finely grounded material falls thru it ignites and blows back into disk and Poof! Happy Vapin all.