Vaping over 400*

DogDad

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As I'm the OP, I get to select who's right. :)

I'm with Vorrange of this one.

I want the full spectrum including the Cbd's but with the least amount of toxins as possible. Who doesn't want all the good without any bad?

I never thought of combusting the small amount I consume would cause any ill effect and never considered the bad chemicals cumulative. Good to know.

Vaping "seems" different though and why I asked the question. Even though the amounts of toxins are the same, in the same 1 gram of herb, vaporzing "may" raise your absorption rate over combustion.

My uneducated totally UN-scientific theory is that if vaping actually puts a higher concentration of Antioxidants into my sytem than combusting, it should follow that vaping also puts a higher concentration of Benzine into my system. The herb has the same amount in it's inert state, the only thing that changes is the delivery method which effects what I receive.

If that's the case then one could argue that with the burnt plant material aside, combusting may be better than vaping if you are trying to dodge the toxins.

I don't really believe that combusting is healthier than vaping <400, but I do think that keeping as many toxins as possible out of my body is the direction to go.

I just made some hot green tea. I was careful not to get the tea bag label wet just in case the tag was printed with chemicals that would leach into my tea. If I'm that worried about what I put in my body, what are the chances I would ignore the possibility of absorbing more Benzene when I vape?

On a side note: Yesterday, I didn't vape over 400 and didn't use that skin cream. This morning all of that redness in my face is gone. I may try the skin cream again but I'm not vaping above 400 any more.
 

Unconnected

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nah it doest work like that, combustion gives youmany other chemicals in way higer doses than vaping at even stupid high tempretures like 245c etc. there are far higher concentrations of herbal related chemicals, flavanoids, tepanes or whatever, the benzine etc are trace chemicals that are created because of the heat causing chemical reactions in the herb, and boiling off the results, thats how you get high. because the benzine is created as a by product of combustion, and vaping at even 245 is in reality quite a way off combustion, i would argue this as evidence for the co,bustion nasties to exist in very low concentrations due to the favt that combustion needs to occur at much higher tempretures, much like how the first draw on a vape is always just a flavour experiance, due to a lack of sufficient tempreture inside the herbal matter to acheive decarboxilation. as you get up to around 420f, you are only just sarting to get near combustion, and thus, you are only getting the faitnest wiff of combustion byproducts, as those chemical reactions are only partially taking place in isolated instances in tyhe moleculor struction of the herbal matter.

at least imo... :p
 
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lwien

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Getting off the toxin debate here for a sec, the other reason that I like to stay in the 380f to 385 range is the taste. When I get into the 390 range and above, to me, things start to taste pretty nasty. I know I'm not combusting at 390 to 400, but again, to me, it sure begins to taste like I am.
 

vorrange

Vapor.wise
If you stay bellow 210C/410F, the amount of bad compounds are minimal and the cannabis itself is able to protect you from them so that is not a problem. You still might be a little sore the next morning or with some mucus, but that is your body adjusting and cleaning your lungs. You'll never develop a serious ilness this way.

And the dangerous compounds are formed with the burning and the oxidative process, which is why at some time in vaporization, these compounds start to appear. But that is way farther than combustion.

And even when combusting, most long term users don't develop more than lung or breathing problems although some studies show higher incidences of throat cancer but i think that study didn't diferentiate between pure weed and spliffs. It is the tobacco that is the big problem IMO.
 

Snappo

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The temperature of a Bic lighter flame for example is 1977C or 3590.6F. I would think that combusting herb at these temperatures when first igniting a bowl of herb might produce toxic constituents in concentrations that far exceed that which a vape can produce, even at 425-460F. I'll stick to my vapes ...FuckCombustion!
http://www.theweedblog.com/smoking-marijuana-vs-vaporizing-marijuana-infographic/
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darkrom

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Look you are all right, just all going about it wrong. What lwien said is 100%. What he said was that it may not be a big deal to you, but some people like to avoid toxins. I've always been a lower temp vaporist myself, but lately I've been cranking the temps up because my medical needs have gotten stronger, and I need it.

Hes just saying do the pro vs cons here.

Me and you don't care about the toxins, because it comes with benefits of its own.

On the other hand others want to avoid the toxins and don't think its worth the benefit. Both are 100% right to do as they please. I used to avoid the high temps mostly because of flavor, but also because of the toxins. At this point I don't care and will take MINOR levels of toxins, since I used to smoke bud and get a shitload of those same toxins.

Who cares what other peoples preferences are. lwien just means inform people that there are toxins at high temp vaping, and let them read up and make their own choices. I do suggest high temps to people who need it for one reason or another. Its simply less clean vapor, but that is ok. Its far from dirty or poisonous as you know, but people have the right to decide for themselves.
 

spoutti

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How about smell? I have the hypothesis taken out of my @$$ that the toxins released above 200 celcius are the lingering smell too. I always vape at 5 (200celcius) on my solo and recently vaped at a non smoking friend's house. My friends would smell nothing if i blew my clouds the other way. And no lingering smell at all.

Is more powerfull hotter vaping leaving a lingering smell?
 

Frederick McGuire

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As I'm the OP, I get to select who's right. :)

I'm with Vorrange of this one.

I want the full spectrum including the Cbd's but with the least amount of toxins as possible. Who doesn't want all the good without any bad?

I never thought of combusting the small amount I consume would cause any ill effect and never considered the bad chemicals cumulative. Good to know.

Vaping "seems" different though and why I asked the question. Even though the amounts of toxins are the same, in the same 1 gram of herb, vaporzing "may" raise your absorption rate over combustion.

My uneducated totally UN-scientific theory is that if vaping actually puts a higher concentration of Antioxidants into my sytem than combusting, it should follow that vaping also puts a higher concentration of Benzine into my system. The herb has the same amount in it's inert state, the only thing that changes is the delivery method which effects what I receive.

If that's the case then one could argue that with the burnt plant material aside, combusting may be better than vaping if you are trying to dodge the toxins.

I don't really believe that combusting is healthier than vaping <400, but I do think that keeping as many toxins as possible out of my body is the direction to go.

I just made some hot green tea. I was careful not to get the tea bag label wet just in case the tag was printed with chemicals that would leach into my tea. If I'm that worried about what I put in my body, what are the chances I would ignore the possibility of absorbing more Benzene when I vape?

On a side note: Yesterday, I didn't vape over 400 and didn't use that skin cream. This morning all of that redness in my face is gone. I may try the skin cream again but I'm not vaping above 400 any more.
Just a quick :2c:, but as far as i know, combusting (not just bud, but anything) creates compounds in the resulting smoke that aren't in the original material at all.

Certain compounds are degraded and "split" into separate compounds, others are "fused" with other compounds to create new ones.

I'm just using wishy washy language, but the TL.DR is that it's not as simple a case as this gram of weed has 0.01 gram of benzene in it.
More like that gram of weed has zero benzene in it, but if you burn some of the compounds in it, they can make benzene.
 

Detonator

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How about smell? I have the hypothesis taken out of my @$$ that the toxins released above 200 celcius are the lingering smell too. I always vape at 5 (200celcius) on my solo and recently vaped at a non smoking friend's house. My friends would smell nothing if i blew my clouds the other way. And no lingering smell at all.

Is more powerfull hotter vaping leaving a lingering smell?


I vape my Solo at 6 , and the cop who pulled me over said she could smell it... IMO...when your actively also vaping smoking you cant smell anything...

Sometime my girl will pack her Solo when im sitting there with my back to her playing video games and start hitting it I was like damn that smells good and it is the same weed I had just vaped an hour ago....

true story....
 
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spoutti

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To follow up with my theory, you are vaping at 205 where there are trace amounts of some toxic thing. I dont remember wich one, so i will call the toxic things TT for the sake of explaining my thoughts.

In my hypothesis, the TT is toxic in part due to the fact its hard to degrade. Its resilient. Extrapolating, the atmosphere wouldnt be able to eliminate the smell easily?

Im curious because i thought it would leave some kind of smell like you say and my friend said it didnt. When i vaped with a cig smoker in a garage, it would fill the garage with its smell quickly. I blow my level 5(200celcius) clouds the other way while playing cards and nothing.
 

mvapes

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Isn't there a lot of good medicine to be had above 400?

Other than couch lock, why wouldn't I want to vape all the way up to near combustion?

When you get above 400 you start hitting CBN's, those little fuckers are the lockers of the couch my friend. I enjoy a low temp session before work in the morning. Takes the edge off of my usual stressful day.
 

aesthyrian

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The temperature of a Bic lighter flame for example is 1977C or 3590.6F. I would think that combusting herb at these temperatures when first igniting a bowl of herb might produce toxic constituents in concentrations that far exceed that which a vape can produce, even at 425-460F. I'll stick to my vapes ...FuckCombustion!
http://www.theweedblog.com/smoking-marijuana-vs-vaporizing-marijuana-infographic/
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They need to research their vapes better, or just pay attention. The vapolution, which clearly says "VAPOLUTION" directly on the unit, is labeled as the Vapir One, and vice versa. Actually now that I look at it, same thing with the herbalizer and easy vape... WTF?

Yeah, I know it doesn't really matter, but I'm anal and that's just not acceptable.
 

Norcalsun

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I was vaping bud sprinkled with kief last night at 400F to 410F and it produced big clouds with a great taste. I've heard that higher temps are needed for concentrates. It worked for me and it was the most medicated I've gotten so far using the Ascent. I do believe more research is needed to find out exactly how bad vaping cannabis at higher temps really is. With that said, even vaping at high temps must be better for your body than combustion.
 
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Even 445 on the Herbie gets me too high if I take enough hits. Any higher than that and you'll be out cold for the rest of the day.
 
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