Lil Wayne - Yo Hennessey

stonemonkey55

Chief Vapor Officer
Manufacturer
I?m a huge hip hop fan but my collection is pretty much late 80?s to maybe 2000-2001 and haven't been to record shop since 2001. I am familiar with lil? Wayne when he was with Cash Money Millionaires, but haven?t really been following him (or hip hop in general) for the last couple of years. Someone gave me his last album and told me he basically freestyled the whole album under the influence of cough syrup. I can kinda believe my buddy based on the fact that his rhyme patterns are so irregular and while he stays on topic, the way he kinda strays and then comes back does remind me of people freestyling, but how the hell you freestyle an entire album? Even tho Weezy is super mainstream now, I def see skills in his ability and the dude can be fuckin clever, it probably sounds like nonsense to someone that doesn't listen closely but he'll drop a few gems in each song.
 
stonemonkey55,

Hennessy1414

Terrorist
yeah some of his songs are aight...some really suck


always listen to him screwed and chopped...sounds much better and a bad song can become good


C&S=chopped and screwed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us0wr_5QsGM&feature=channel_page
(not wheezy but a good idea of a nicley Screwed and chopped song)


wheezy songs that are good
-i feel like dying(C&S)
-we takin over freestyle(lil wayne only)
theres more im just blanking right now

three 6 is really sick too...their porno movie song is pretty nasty ill :cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAj8FJNskqM

:peace:

im diggin this convo here...wish i had the vhw at mu side :lol: one day soon man....mark is a really chill guy
 
Hennessy1414,

Survivalism

Weapon Enthusiast
I dont really listen to much rap at all, but for awhile i was into Tech N9ne. Id give him a try and see if you like what your hearing, i eventually found rap to be much to repetitive. ( succesfull rap song IME is nothing but good sounding rhymes and a dope beat, some people like Akon need to have effects on their voice as well hehe )
 
Survivalism,

Hennessy1414

Terrorist
Survivalism said:
I dont really listen to much rap at all, but for awhile i was into Tech N9ne. Id give him a try and see if you like what your hearing, i eventually found rap to be much to repetitive. ( succesfull rap song IME is nothing but good sounding rhymes and a dope beat, some people like Akon need to have effects on their voice as well hehe )
thats why i say wu-tang man....shits is the best "rap" around :cool:

:peace:
 
Hennessy1414,

Survivalism

Weapon Enthusiast
Hennessy1414 said:
Survivalism said:
I dont really listen to much rap at all, but for awhile i was into Tech N9ne. Id give him a try and see if you like what your hearing, i eventually found rap to be much to repetitive. ( succesfull rap song IME is nothing but good sounding rhymes and a dope beat, some people like Akon need to have effects on their voice as well hehe )
thats why i say wu-tang man....shits is the best "rap" around :cool:

:peace:
Ahh i can totally respect that upon reflection. I do have a lot of respect for SOME rap artists, they have meaningfull lyrics and unique beats. I sit down and laugh at rap for songs like "Chevy with the buttafly doors, stunt stuntin is a habbit" and "That baby dont look like me, like me" etc etc. I just find it funny that i can sit down and watch rap videos and every single video has

hot bitches
bling
hot cars
drugs ( alc etc )

probably forgetting a few things.
 
Survivalism,

Hennessy1414

Terrorist
Survivalism said:
Hennessy1414 said:
Survivalism said:
I dont really listen to much rap at all, but for awhile i was into Tech N9ne. Id give him a try and see if you like what your hearing, i eventually found rap to be much to repetitive. ( succesfull rap song IME is nothing but good sounding rhymes and a dope beat, some people like Akon need to have effects on their voice as well hehe )
thats why i say wu-tang man....shits is the best "rap" around :cool:

:peace:
Ahh i can totally respect that upon reflection. I do have a lot of respect for SOME rap artists, they have meaningfull lyrics and unique beats. I sit down and laugh at rap for songs like "Chevy with the buttafly doors, stunt stuntin is a habbit" and "That baby dont look like me, like me" etc etc. I just find it funny that i can sit down and watch rap videos and every single video has

hot bitches
bling
hot cars
drugs ( alc etc )

probably forgetting a few things.
and the same lame "hardness"
 
Hennessy1414,

Survivalism

Weapon Enthusiast
Hennessy1414 said:
Survivalism said:
Hennessy1414 said:
thats why i say wu-tang man....shits is the best "rap" around :cool:

:peace:
Ahh i can totally respect that upon reflection. I do have a lot of respect for SOME rap artists, they have meaningfull lyrics and unique beats. I sit down and laugh at rap for songs like "Chevy with the buttafly doors, stunt stuntin is a habbit" and "That baby dont look like me, like me" etc etc. I just find it funny that i can sit down and watch rap videos and every single video has

hot bitches
bling
hot cars
drugs ( alc etc )

probably forgetting a few things.
and the same lame "hardness"
haha for real, once a rapper gets famous he instantly becomes a thug
 
Survivalism,

Progress

'Socratic Existentialist, MD'
SA - This is the VaporLounge.... 'kick back, relax, and fire up the vape'.
That's what I thought (sorry about this upcoming comment if I am wrong)

I think that I know Lil Wayne mostly from the Dave Chapelle show (Oh...K....!)

edit: Oops, I think that actually is Lil' Jon :doh:

Anyhow, I will always have a soft-spot in my heart for rap/hip-hop in all of its forms and a respect for those with skillz.

I think I got into rap music because I recognized (on some level) that rebellion was necessary to correct injustices that have become integral components of our existence. My ability to identify those injustices and recognize the beneficial and detrimental impact of various forms of rebellion (some that even reinforce the patterns you intend to change) has developed. The rap/hip-hop that I currently listen to tends not to get played on the radio or be sufficiently be classified as just rap or hip-hop, but I still get down to some Eazy-E, Wu-Tang, Tribe Called Quest (Q-Tip, Busta...), Biggie, Kottonmouth Kings, and a bunch of new stuff randomly on my hard-drive (maybe even some Lil Wayne in there).

It's funny. In the last week, I quoted the Grateful in the 'advise-JerryG20' thread and Eazy-E in the VHW thread :brow: . I guess, "if it's good, it doesn't matter what it is...it's just good"--Miles Davis.
 
Progress,

partially veiled

Lo Boob Oscillator
Music is as much a part of my life as is Cannabis. Rap, however, has been out of my vocabulary (more or less) for a long time. One of my best friends (who is also the most incredible drummer I've ever met...and I've met a lot of them) is REALLY into hip-hop, so I am still exposed to it, to some degree. The problem in my eyes is not that rap in and of itself is bad, it's just that it's gotten such a large share of the commercial music business these days that everywhere you go there is a new rapper who sounds exactly like the old one...that, and all of the gangster mentality that goes along with it. I really didn't mind that when it was NWA and shit, or Tupac or whatever, because most of the time it was informed and real, not just commercial nonsense. I've got nothing wrong with someone talking about life on the streets if that's truly where they come from. I just don't buy it out of the mouths of multimillionaires. That being said, I know many of these guys are self made and do indeed come from what they talk about, but if you're past it...you're past it...don't just perpetuate an image because it sells records. If you have comments to make about those hardships, that is one thing...but the way I see it, it's much less of an informed criticism and more of a spouting off of cliches to sell records. Here I am ragging on mostly the really mainstream stuff, stuff like 50 Cent (or half dollar, as my friends call him :rolleyes:), Flowridah, Lil Wayne...that type of stuff.

That being said, I have always REALLY appreciated and had a soft spot for the underground in rap. There are literally thousands of talented, intelligent emcees out there making lots of dope, dope music. The problem in my eyes is that they are so overshadowed by the large money making machine that is the "flavor of the week" style rap...crunk and the like. You guys already pointed out a lot of the fallacies about that, Survivalism in particular. Dude that list you posted is like exactly my issues with rap. Mainstream rap seems to have its bread and butter in:

- degrading women
- lauding gunplay and violence
- shameless materialism...I don't watch TV out of my own volition, but when I do happen to catch the odd rap video now a days, I can't tell whether it's a music video or just a really long commercial...
- profanity and vulgarity for what seems to be only "shock value"

So...all that being said...there are some artists who I think are doing great work. Stones Throw is a really cool label with some stellar artists, and as I said there are lots and lots of underground artists who are doing more intelligent work than you'd ever hope to find on MTV... I can't list off names because I don't listen to them actively (I simply perfer different types of music these days...funk, soul, jazz, r&b, bossa, all sorts of electronic, all sorts of stuff really), but if anyone is really digging for some new artists to sink their teeth into, I'm sure my friend would be happy to list off some of his faves for me. Some of them are really quite good. Some older artists that are pretty well known but that I've always appreciated would be the Roots, A Tribe Called Quest, MF Doom, and Tupac. Say what you want about Tupac and his vulgarity or whatever, but I still think he is among the best. I put his lyrics in a class of their own, and I always felt that, although some (most) of his subject matter is grisly and off-putting, he was writing from a VERY real place, and only wrote with the hopes of changing things and spreading awareness. I honestly have been "out of the rap game" since 96 (when pac died), but I still love to listen in when I hear his oh so familiar voice...

:peace:


Edit: Oh yes, and Progress...I agree with you (turns out I often agree with you :lol:) and ole Mr. Cool himself. If it's good, it's good...doesn't matter what it is. I have always trusted my ears and my heart when it comes to music, and there's nothing better than an open mind, IMO. Also, if any of you rap fans are interested in breakbeats at all, you should definitely check out David Axelrod. Some of the best, and most melodic, stuff I've ever heard...he also has an illustrious production career (producing greats such as Lou Rawls and Cannonball Adderley). Here is an Axelrod song from his stellar record, Songs of Innocence (inspired by and based on the mystical poetry of William Blake):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixPVNWNt53s
 
partially veiled,

Progress

'Socratic Existentialist, MD'
PV - Stones Throw is a really cool label with some stellar artists, and as I said there are lots and lots of underground artists who are doing more intelligent work than you'd ever hope to find on MTV
Sounds cool :tup:
 
Progress,

vtac

vapor junkie
Staff member
Henny knows what's up.

Man I grew up with 36 Chambers, Ready to Die, Illmatic...

I'll just agree with what pv said, but it's pretty much parallel with the rest of mainstream music these days. Compare the grunge scene of the early 90s to the garbage being produced today. More money and less talent across the board. It's super cliche to say but hell yeah, 'old school' is where it's at. :tup:

odb2bg7.jpg


Maybe I'm just too old. :D
 
vtac,

Survivalism

Weapon Enthusiast
partially veiled said:
Music is as much a part of my life as is Cannabis. Rap, however, has been out of my vocabulary (more or less) for a long time. One of my best friends (who is also the most incredible drummer I've ever met...and I've met a lot of them) is REALLY into hip-hop, so I am still exposed to it, to some degree. The problem in my eyes is not that rap in and of itself is bad, it's just that it's gotten such a large share of the commercial music business these days that everywhere you go there is a new rapper who sounds exactly like the old one...that, and all of the gangster mentality that goes along with it. I really didn't mind that when it was NWA and shit, or Tupac or whatever, because most of the time it was informed and real, not just commercial nonsense. I've got nothing wrong with someone talking about life on the streets if that's truly where they come from. I just don't buy it out of the mouths of multimillionaires. That being said, I know many of these guys are self made and do indeed come from what they talk about, but if you're past it...you're past it...don't just perpetuate an image because it sells records. If you have comments to make about those hardships, that is one thing...but the way I see it, it's much less of an informed criticism and more of a spouting off of cliches to sell records. Here I am ragging on mostly the really mainstream stuff, stuff like 50 Cent (or half dollar, as my friends call him :rolleyes:), Flowridah, Lil Wayne...that type of stuff.

That being said, I have always REALLY appreciated and had a soft spot for the underground in rap. There are literally thousands of talented, intelligent emcees out there making lots of dope, dope music. The problem in my eyes is that they are so overshadowed by the large money making machine that is the "flavor of the week" style rap...crunk and the like. You guys already pointed out a lot of the fallacies about that, Survivalism in particular. Dude that list you posted is like exactly my issues with rap. Mainstream rap seems to have its bread and butter in:

- degrading women
- lauding gunplay and violence
- shameless materialism...I don't watch TV on my out of my own volition, but when I do happen to catch the odd rap video now a days, I can't tell whether it's a music video or just a really long commercial...
- profanity and vulgarity for what seems to be only "shock value"

So...all that being said...there are some artists who I think are doing great work. Stones Throw is a really cool label with some stellar artists, and as I said there are lots and lots of underground artists who are doing more intelligent work than you'd ever hope to find on MTV... I can't list off names because I don't listen to them actively (I simply perfer different types of music these days...funk, soul, jazz, r&b, electronic, all sorts of stuff really), but if anyone is really digging for some new artists to sink their teeth into, I'm sure my friend would be happy to list off some of his faves for me. Some of them are really quite good. Some older artists that are pretty well known but that I've always appreciated would be the Roots, A Tribe Called Quest, MF Doom, and Tupac. Say what you want about Tupac and his vulgarity or whatever, but I still think he is among the best. I put his lyrics in a class of their own, and I always felt that, although some (most) of his subject matter is grisly and off-putting, he was writing from a VERY real place, and only wrote with the hopes of changing things and shedding awareness. I honestly have been out of the rap game since 96 (when he died), but I still love to listen in when I hear his oh so familiar voice...

:peace:
Like others constantly say PV, its very hard to follow up one of your posts. My group of friends are improv comedians, so i must admit that i have had many hearty laughs over many rap songs, like apple bottom jeans, boots with the fur. Mostly now all rap is catchy with good beats, effects, and rhymes that sound good but are meaningless.

My personal music tastes are mostly metal / electronic. My favorite band is Nine Inch Nails ( hence my name ) and ive been to a few concerts including korn, godsmack, hellyeah, flyleaf, atreyu and a few more.
 
Survivalism,

Hennessy1414

Terrorist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBibdYg0_YE

this is hip hop man :cool:

rage to this :horse:


vtac said:
Henny knows what's up.

Man I grew up with 36 Chambers, Ready to Die, Illmatic...

I'll just agree with what pv said, but it's pretty much parallel with the rest of mainstream music these days. Compare the grunge scene of the early 90s to the garbage being produced today. More money and less talent across the board. It's super cliche to say but hell yeah, 'old school' is where it's at. :tup:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/754/odb2bg7.jpg

Maybe I'm just too old. :D
:) word up man.... Brooklyn ZOO right there^ that was a good odb album for sure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7p7gRof-0o
(BEST ODB SONG EVER)

:peace:


yo keep posting good rap/hip hop songs you like...i like what yall are throwing at me
 
Hennessy1414,

partially veiled

Lo Boob Oscillator
Henn, was that your first intro to MF DOOM? If it was, man...you don't know what you're missing! You've GOT to check out his Operation: Doomsday album...absolute sickness. On this album he emcees with a lot more speed then he does often, so it's his signature voice with a slightly faster tempo--I dig it. The album has lots of samples from old TV cartoons such a Spiderman...it's too cool. He's really original as far as I'm concerned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGbIpCJnmc0
 
partially veiled,

partially veiled

Lo Boob Oscillator
eLiguL, wow man! That stuff was totally new to me and it was pretty damn sick. I especially liked Big L...man's smooth like a breath of vapor :cool: And...OMG...his lyrics had substance (especially Street Stuck)!! What a treat! Do you know if he wrote his own beats/did the sampling/produced the tracks? Just curious...the beats were really slick. Thank you for sharing that, I think I might just have to check him out some more...and like I said, I really have not listened actively to any hip hop in years. Thanks man!
 
partially veiled,

eLiguL

Well-Known Member
partially veiled said:
eLiguL, wow man! That stuff was totally new to me and it was pretty damn sick. I especially liked Big L...man's smooth like a breath of vapor :cool: And...OMG...his lyrics had substance (especially Street Stuck)!! What a treat! Do you know if he wrote his own beats/did the sampling/produced the tracks? Just curious...the beats were really slick. Thank you for sharing that, I think I might just have to check him out some more...and like I said, I really have not listened actively to any hip hop in years. Thanks man!
Big L's wiki page

Its a shame that his life was taken so early, he had real talent.
 
eLiguL,

Clear_Dome

Vaporhead
Glass Blower
SpiralArchitect said:
Uh? :/

This is the VaporLounge.... 'kick back, relax, and fire up the vape'.
hehe I just tell it cause of the name of the topic ...not a big deal

as for rap I'm not a big fan of american rap , I had listen a lot of wu tang ,cypress hill , psycho realm , house of pain ,coca nostra,NECRO DEATH RAP !! .....but i found french rap way better ...one of the best rap cd I hear was Sunz of man & I am ''La Saga'' cause I grew up with IAM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD53bMZ9_As

some realy underground rap from Montreal ....sad that you can't understand :/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7q9UaP6SPo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGL2pcEXODU&feature=related
 
Clear_Dome,

Dr. Dope

Well-Known Member
i am a huge hip hop fan, but lil wayne is trash. his freestyling is above shitty. i don't have any interest in this dudes music, i've listened to it and it is terrible.
 
Dr. Dope,
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